Fellas need a little help, read alot of the old posts and the newer ones, ive noted the barrels breaking, stamping issues and other accuracy related problems, can anyone gimme RECENT range reports and sucess theyve had with this rifle? Looking for distance past 100, the number of rounds in the group and size, equipment and mods done to the rifle. Pics help if you have them. I bought one and am wondering if the LE model with magpul furniture, a viper PST 6-24x50 in a Bobro qd mount, a giessele SSAE and good ammo will take me out to 300-450 yards on paper plate sized target. Again looking for recent input and am aware of the bad press of late. Are my expectations reasonable for a mid range duty rifle. Thanks for all the help

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Cant give you any personal experience, but assuming the rifle is working/shooting as the manufacturer intended (ie. Not a lemon), it should give you at least 1-1.5 moa accuracy with the right ammo based on all the research i've done as well. Ive seen more user reviews claiming 1 moa accuracy than not. Whether you like/respect the guy or not, nutnfancy has a video shooting the m&p10 bone stock with a mid dollar scope (looks like a nikon maybe?) out to 700 yards on a full torso sized ipsc target. As long as they were doing their part, they were making good hits out in the desert with wind. They were showing the misses as well. I believe they were using hornady 168gr amax. But as you already know, the ammo your gun likes may vary. Again whether you like the guy or not, its still a good indicator of what a m&p10 can do. Even with all the research ive done on the rifle, that video was what sold me on the m&p10.

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Go to the "optics" post on this thread (m&p10) and scroll down, someone already put a link to that video

I don't have any measured groups past 100yd but I'm getting consistent .75-1" 5 shot groups with Hornady A-max 168g with a stock rifle(except magpul furniture and scope). I've had no problem hitting a 12" gong at 250yd with steel cased tula. Most cheap ammo still shoots 2-3moa for me and I haven't found any brand it won't eat. I'm over 3000rd and have had zero malfunctions(except for the occasional bad primer) and seen no decrease in accuracy. Last sub moa group was shot 3 weeks ago.
I don't think you'll have any problem connecting at that distance once you find the right load and you do your part. You definitely have enough glass I would consider the mp10 a great choice for a mid range duty rifle based off of my experience with it.
There's really only one way to find out.................

Thanks for the replies guys, yea if seen NFncy's review and it looked promising. I couldnt possibly see taking a shot past 500 anywhere that i work or even hunt so thatd be my max distance in both instances. Its gonna pull double duty for me. I just figured that for a midling distance rifle if i could hit a paper plate consitantly within that 500 yards id be golden. As far as the glass it cant hurt right?!


Glad to hear its shooting reasonably well with steel ammo 12 inch gong at 250

Looking for more input....any issues with shot stringing? Anyone else have any reports with good 308 ammo from about 500 yards in???

Thanks as always for the replies and keep em coming!!!

I've had my m&p10 for about a month. I've ran about 400 total rounds through it so far. I only have a 100 yard range but results are consistent. Here's my results at 100 yards.
ZQI turkish ammo - 4 inch group's
XM80 ammo - 2 inch groups
PMC .308 - 2 inch groups
federal 150 gr. - 1.5 inch groups
federal GMM 168 GR. - 1 inch groups
Australian Outback 168 gr. - .75 to 1 inch groups
Australian Outback 165 gr. - .5 inch groups all day long.

Observations are it likes a heavier round more than the lighter ones bug it shoots 165 gr. really well.

Mine has shot pretty well so far but I haven't really had a lot of time to mess with it. I don't have regular access to a greater than 100 yard range and I was deployed all last summer, so I didn't get much range time. Unfortunately, there isn't any inside ranges around here that I know of, so I have to wait until the weather warms up. It's been to darn cold to go out and shoot lately.

This i gotta say is pretty encouraging, all responses are appreciated! Rifle seems like its doing fairly well with a mix of ammo at 100 yards, anyone reach out further? Ammo recomendations are def being noted also.

I hear ya its freezing balls over here in Illinois also


Keeeep em comin guys thanks

I think a 6-24x is more magnification than you can put to practical use for your intended purposes. For big game use, a 2.5-10x Nightforce would be an excellent choice. For a rifle that also doubles for patrol duty, a 1-6x optic would be a far better choice.

I assume you've seen the photos of my Big Smith with the carbon fiber free float tube?

Good observations here I think. I wasted my day today doing research on mine with about eight types of ammo. My results were not as good, but the best I have achieved to date after the last year of dicking around with it.

Federal GMM 168 HPBT did about 1.5 with the Sierra bullet. About the same with the Federal OTM 168 marked for M14. I think them the same, really.

There may be hope, yet! I have ordered some 168 A-max to try, many reports are good here.

Yes i have Wolf looks great! I do have an RMR that will be mounted also for my short distance stuff so i think ill be cool there. Carbine stays in the rack inside and the Big 10 will be in the trunk locked up!!! Wish i had the stones to paint my stuff

Glad to hear it!! Ive been following your posts and after reading them im supper happy that ******* is starting to so what you wanted it too. Wish u continued luck bud!!

I suppose this is as god a thread as any to update my posting thus far without creating another.

In desperation, I did use the Hoppes Tornado bore brush to try and smooth my barrel for better accuracy. At this point I think it had a positive effect as groups with same ammo have shrunk by about 1/3 it seems. If this don't work out I am going to re barrel the gun, but things are looking up.

Using the Tornado, I did nothing special, an in and out 30 times for 60 strokes. Things got smoother as I went along, but there was no metal residue. Followed with the bore snake wich pulled easily by comparison.

Total test of about eight types of ammo got better on all I had used prior and the new ones. I get confused but I think the best groups from the 150 gr came from the Ageilla and the PMC at 3 inches or so. The Federal 168 including the GMM Sierra cut that in half.

I have found a couple other sources for the Sierra in 165 and the 168 I may try( the Australian) but for now I have ordered up some Hornady a-max in 168 to try. Seems reasonable pricing from Freedom Munitions.

Time will tell, but if I can keep things under that 1.5 MOA range I will be OK, as this was not totally scientific, but just a decent bench run with what I had, shooter error and all. At least I got in the ballpark!

If the motto here is you gotta run what works, then so be it!

Let us know how that Hornady does when u can! Looking for more range info fellas. Pics would be great if possible. Love to see or hear about guys reaching out up too 500 yards if you have. Thanks again n keep em comin!!!

I think if you got PMC down to 3 inches you did good. If the barrel smoothing thing is what was recommended and you have the funds try a few boxes of XM80. Its bi-metal and get you some big targets and go enjoy yourself. I have an M1A that aggravated me really bad but when I finally decided to pull off the scope and burn through a few hundred rounds of xm80 on milk jugs I enjoyed myself more and the rifle smoothed it self out as a result. Hope it works out good for you. You'll like Australian ammo if your rifle is like mine.

Hoping to get mine all set up by this weekend, trigger, scope mounted etc etc and get it out to shoot it! Ill be sure to try n report as accurately as i can n post pics.... Untill then still looking for more range reports . Thanks for all the replies thus far.

Heres what ill be using if i can get out to the range this weekend and all my parts installed... Lol if my wife only knew, ive got to learn to reload. Ive got a nice mixture of bullet weights to see if first it functions and what type of accuracy i can get. Ill be saving the Sierras for last. Hope to leave with a big s**t eating grin. Let me know if anyone else has anything to add about my selection or about rnge reports of their own!! Ill also be accompanied by my buddy just in case im not up to snuff, hes a Marine so if im not he will be 😎

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Believe it or not, Winchester White Box shot excellently from mine. After that it's been all handloads. I'm curious how those 165 Sierra's shoot. They're extremely accurate in my '06's and I've yet to load them for my M&P10. Report back please?

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My prediction is those 165 grain will smoke the others if it shoots like mine. I'm interested to hear what those 180s do. Haven't heard or read much about those. You'll probably be somewhat satisfied with the AE 150s.

Ill be sure to report my findings fellas untill then gimme some more reports till i get out. White box is worth giving a shot. I may pick some up before saturday.

I have had all kinds of hell finding any common stuff to shoot straight in mine. I would not expect a lot out of the core lok or any of the 150 stuff for that matter. I ran some 180 gr early on and got nothing better than a 6" splatter at 50 yds. Best group on that day was with cheap Tula steel cased at less than half that.

Having suffered through a number of disappointing tests now over a year in, it was only last weekend I seemed to manage 1.5 groups at 100 using the Federal GMM 168, and the AE 168 OTM bullet marked for M14 was just about as good and much less expensive. I believe both use the Sierra 168 hollow point, yet the powder measure on GMM is more consistant.

The Game King is a premium bullet for hunting, not sure just how that may fit into a LE profile, because military cannot use it. They use the OTM as I understand. (open tip match)

The Hornaday Amax and Vmax are also premium bullets. I have some ordered some 168 Amax at a reasonable cost from one supplier and there is another quality reloader near me which I may try as well.

There are a lot of variables, and powder and charges are key, which is the reason accuracy loaders have to load their own, but I am with you on the pie plate thing, if I can just get there at 300 I am a happy camper, but your mileage may vary!

Hi and thank you for your recco of the Austrailian. It looks to me they are running the Sierra bullet in both 165 and 168(game king, match king). Can you confirm?

I found a listing for them on Cheaper than Dirt and they were not terribly expensive. Def worth a try.

At $14 per box for the Freedom Munitions reman 168 amax and only slightly more for the HPBT Match, which once again appears to be Sierra, these are also options. I am cheap! but within reason, you know.

I have not yet found a good supplier if xm80 to try. Do you know one to recco? I tried that ZQI stuff which is supposed to be nato spec ball, it sucks! It runs but it sucks in accuracy it seems.

We'll everything is here and my scope is mounted, the good folks at the Post Office haven't received my Geissele's yet they we're supposed to be here today. Always have issues with USPS. Anyway hoping to intercept them early and get em installed on the M&P 10 & 15 before I head out. I'm gonna strip the rifle and clean n lube it tomorrow before we go. I checked the barrel and found no "rings" or excessive stamping at a quick glance. I'll check again tomorrow. Gun looks to be made well and I'm exited


Also I opted for a pair of the Geissele G2S's instead of the SSAE's.


As far as my ammo selection thus far your correct cope, it's not duty ammo I just figured I'd put it through its paces n see how it ran or what it likes and dislikes. It's got a ways to go before it sees my squad car. For now it's my M&P 15 and an old school 870. I'd love to see this rifle meet my requirements before it sees any duty usage. Wish me luck fellas!!!!

Yes, the Australian are Sierra game king and match king. I ordered 2 boxes of each from CTD initially. The game king shot so good i ordered 500 rounds the next day while it was cheap. I bought 1000 rounds of xm80 from palmetto state armory with free shipping a year ago when i got a M1A. Got 500 of that when i think it was priced wrong (40 cents per round) and the price went up to current bulk prices the next day. Palmetto state is ok when their free shipping is going on. My experience with zqi is like yours.

I've saved every piece of brass I've shot so I imagine that I'll be reloading maybe next year.

Got the triggers installed, goin shooting. Will report, also got a box of PMC NATO spec for laughs. Not expecting much but maybe ill get lucky???

I've purchased the Australian Outback 165 & 168. I'll also pick up some of the Hornady Amax. After it warms up a little here in Wisconsin, I'll make the first range trip.

Ok so here are my limited un scientific findings. I know its not what your looking for but here it is


Shot the Nato PMC to get on paper and zero in the scope at 100 yards. No failures of any kind and wasnt upset with the accuracy. Just kind of felt the rifle out with these 147 grain.

Then shot the American Eagle 150 grain and at 100 yards i had a dot torture target set up. I think the circles are 2 inches (please correct me if im wrong). The first 10 shots stayed in the "dot" and so did the next set of 10 shots in the dot below, but i had two rounds out of the twenty not cycle. Most likely because i didnt have the rifle shoulderd well. I shot off a rest and that was the feeling i got on those two, more my fault then the guns

The next ammo fired was the Rem Core Lokt 150 grain.This time i fired 1 string of 10 shots on a new dot torture target all shots but 1 stayed in the "dot" no failures of any kind


The next 10 rounds were the federal 180 grain. 10 rounds fired,7 of 10 were in the dot the other two just outside.

The errors you see were me and not the gun, barrel was nice and hot dont think it made a difference as i have very little experience with shooting set up like this

Due to time constraints and my buddy wanting to put me through some drills with the M&P 15 thats all the 308 i fired. I figured id go again next week and shoot the "better" ammo. Really the only minor issue i had was the 2 AM Eagles that didnt chamber, but prob my fault as everything else ran great


Attatched is the pic of the Core Lokt (top) and the 180 grain Federals bottom. Ive got alot to learn but for someone who has very little experience with this platform and scope set up im pleased, didnt think to snap the pic of the Am Eagles like an idiot but both dots looked like the Core Lokt photo. I will next time before i shoot the good stuff as im dying to know if my rifle will digest these... I think it will if i snug up to the rifle

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Not too bad. Sounds like you have a winner.

I like that target. Can it be downloaded and printed?

Yea i think with some training me and this rifle may make a decent team.

Heres the link to print the Dot Torture
pistol-training.com * Dot Torture

I think you did a fine job shooting those groups, there is a little more oomph! there with each shot. I had a problem with my RR 5.56 initially which was throwing a flyer or two each magazine, and it turned out the to be the ASC 5 rounder that I use, was dinging my bullets as they chambered??? thanks to Hill Top Gun Shop for helping me sort that.
Switched back to a couple of factory Colt 20 rounders an problem solved..

magazines are the first place to look if everything else is up to snuff, but I think you will be very well pleased when you get to the heavier ammo? my Rock is a 1 in 8 twist and it def prefers heavier bullets.

Look forward to some more testing. Had a great time with it and thanks for all the kind words. Gimme some more of your stories fellas. Love hearing about the new rifle

168 grain and 175 grain seem to be the preferred weights for LE from what I've been able to discover in my research.