New Member M&P 15 Sport.

[jmkworld]

I only shoot at a range and this seems like the perfect gun for me! I got it today with the .22lr conversion kit ( great for a cheap ammo fun time). I'm a complete newb when it comes to this weapon. So therefore I'll do some searching of this forum and learn! Things I'm looking for now is a cleaning kit, red dot sights and possibly a forward grip. If anyone can give any input/insight it is greatly appreciated. Also what is the best first mod to this gun. Very excited in the future of modding this weapon!

[MPDC]

Originally Posted by jmkworld

I only shoot at a range and this seems like the perfect gun for me! I got it today with the .22lr conversion kit ( great for a cheap ammo fun time). I'm a complete newb when it comes to this weapon. So therefore I'll do some searching of this forum and learn! Things I'm looking for now is a cleaning kit, red dot sights and possibly a forward grip. If anyone can give any input/insight it is greatly appreciated. Also what is the best first mod to this gun. Very excited in the future of modding this weapon!

Careful with the .22 conversion. Shooting only the dirty, lead 22LR rounds can clog and lead up your gas system. .22 LR rounds cycle differently and don't use the gas system but do foul it pretty bad. Since they are very low powered relative to 5.56 or .223 rounds, they don't generate enough pressure to clear the lines. Because they are lead and not jacketed, they can litterally "weld" up the system over many rounds.

You should run normal 5.56 or .223 rounds through frequently enough to blow out the fouling or may find it a bear to clean. One person on another blog actually reported having to replace his gas block and line after shooting nothing but .22s over a long period. He could not clear the system of lead after lots of attempts and methods. For that reason, many opt for a dedicated .22 upper instead of the drop in stuff.

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/ar-talk...t-cycling.html

Best option to add, IMO, would be a good scope or red dot sight.

Enjoy it.

[RainDodger]

Welcome to the world of ARs! You'll love it. I have a Sport, among other ARs and it's a fine weapon. Mine has worked great. Of course, try to stay out of active combat (especially in the mud), since you (and I) don't have a dust cover or forward assist.

[jmkworld]

any recommendations for a red dot site or a good gun cleaning kit?

[MPDC]

For the red dot, there are a few, inexpensive ones that are pretty functional and include the Vortex Strikefire and the Primary arms house brand. Both get good reviews at the AR sites. The EOTechs are the high end, professional's choice along with the venerable, battle proven Aimpoint ACOGS.

Red Dot Sights

The basic GI cleaning kit is fine but you should use a bore guide to protect your chamber and bbl. from damage from the steel rod. CLP is a good all around cleaner and lube but is pretty toxic and many use gunzilla or frog lube now. Both are less difficult to handle and do an excellent job.

Gun Cleaning Kits

http://www.froglube.com/

Gunzilla

AR-15 BORE GUIDE - Brownells

Add a boresnake to finish your job and you are good to go!

You can get by with a plain .22 cleaning kit from Walmart but the above make it lots easier and thorough.

[jmkworld]

thanks for the great advice. Was doing some shopping. Will this fit directly to my rifle or will I need a mount. Also what do you think of this scope

25mm Dual Color Red Dot Scope, w/Weaver Rings - Fast Accusition by BARSKA

[MPDC]

Originally Posted by jmkworld

thanks for the great advice. Was doing some shopping. Will this fit directly to my rifle or will I need a mount. Also what do you think of this scope

25mm Dual Color Red Dot Scope, w/Weaver Rings - Fast Accusition by BARSKA

Not real familiar with Barska but this gets good reviews and is priced right. Primary Arms is a great place to do business and they test everything they sell. Good people.

Primary Arms M3

You might also like their micro dot sight. Both get good reviews at AR15 . com.

Note, regardless of the sight you buy, you want a tall mount that allows co witness with the gun's regular sights. That way you can sight in either by zeroing the other.

[Kapture1]

New as of today to AR's also. Enjoy!

[RainDodger]

I bit the bullet (so to speak) and bought an Eotech 512a. It uses regular AA batteries. It's a fun sight to use.... perfect for its intended purpose, which would be whacking a man-sized torso-shaped object.

It's my first elecronic sighting device and I initially had to get used to it, as I've used conventional scopes for nearly 50 years. Leaving both eyes open is novel, but I can see how this kind of sight would be exactly what you want in a combat situation. Very fast target acquisition. The Eotech "1 MOA" dot is kind of a misnomer I think... it still blots out a good portion of what you're shooting at, but it is still perfect for its intended purpose. It's simply not a benchrest shooting sight. Get a regular scope for that. I bought the Sport for fun though, and the Eotech fits the bill. I would say, "don't cheap out" - whatever you decided on, get something nice and you can use it on a different rifle sometime as well.

[jmkworld]

what do you guys think of this scope? And what's the difference between a high cant mount and a high non-cant mount?

Primary Arms Multi-Reticle Red Dot Sight

[jmkworld]

also looking to buy some ammo in bulk (.223)? anyone reccommend a website/brand?

[RainDodger]

I've never heard of that scope, so can't comment on it. It may be the best $99 you ever spent; dunnno. 6 words that have generally served me well over the years, however: "you get what you pay for".

[MPDC]

Originally Posted by jmkworld

also looking to buy some ammo in bulk (.223)? anyone reccommend a website/brand?

.223 / 5.56 : Ammunition To Go

Ammunition - .223/5.56

There are others but I have used these two and know they are good to deal with. Check the sights frequently to find good deals , then, order as much as you can while the bargain is on.

[jmkworld]

what do you guys think of this.
AR-15 Flat-top CQB Package
also what type of handrail does the sport come with from the factory. will it fit a grip with these specs Fits hand guards equipped with a Weaver or Picatinny rail system>\?

[MPDC]

The Sport comes with std. handguard without rails but rails can be attached although the platform would not be really solid.

I'm not a fan of "packaged accessories", especially when a cheap optic is a big part of the price. Red dots seem to have some very servicable units in the bargain price area, in my experience scopes not so much. Holding zero with the recoil of a 5.56 round requires more than low priced optics, IMHO.

My advice would be get a decent quality scope/red dot then upgrade your trigger THEN consider "tacticool" stuff ONE AT A TIME AS YOU FIND A NEED FOR THEM. Otherwise you may end up with a laughable "swiss army rifle" with stick ons you never use weighing you down as you carry it. JMHO.

The rail on the receiver is mil spec picatinny. Adding a quad rail is one option for adding grips, lights etc. but be sure the fit is secure if it is a "drop in" OR add one of the free float systems that don't require removing the front sight or flash suppressor. These are offered by Troy, Daniels Defense and others in carbine lengths.

[Bionic_Man]

Originally Posted by MPDC

...CLP is a good all around cleaner and lube but is pretty toxic and many use gunzilla or frog lube now. Both are less difficult to handle and do an excellent job.

I'm about to pick up my MP 15 Sport, and will clean it before 1st use. I was introduced to Frog Lube, but passed since I still have a 10 year supply of No.9. I'm hearing more about it. Do you recommend seasoning it first with Frog Lube? Or cleaning with it after first use? I have read, I need to take the heat gun and have the stuff melt on. Kinda like seasoning the teflon skillet with cockroaches to enhance the flavor of the taco meat. I'm a sucker for hype, and just as well drop the No. 9 off at the local HAZMAT day.

[MPDC]

The Frog lube will work similar to regular CLP so you can clean without seasoning it. Afterwards, using it as a lube and protectant, seasoning it (heat, can also be done in an oven or just laid in bright sun if its warm enough) will cause it to penetrate the metal surface more, making it easier to clean and giving more protection.

It does seem to work but more important, you can clean the weapon without all the smell and fumes. Most of us have wives or GFs that go ballistic when we "poison gas" their homes.

Another thing they suggest is running a swab with Frog lube down the bbl. while its hot after a range session. Later, at home, you can complete the cleaning but it will be easier and the inside of the bbl. will be seasoned too.

[matmat417]

just fyi on that barska reddot, it says ideal for rimfire, handguns, and crossbows... idk how well it will hold up to abuse from centerfire.

[rojodiablo]

Originally Posted by jmkworld

also looking to buy some ammo in bulk (.223)? anyone reccommend a website/brand?

The new Wolf ammo is fine in the M&P 15 sport. The label is WPA, or Wolf, or TUSA. Black boxes, yellow/ red writing. I have already sent 1500+ WPA through my rifle. Not 1 FTE, not one FTF. Cost is about .19 per round- $190-200 per 1,000.
This ammo is steel cased, and has a black teflon/ polymer coating. No reloading. NOTE: This is NOT the lacquer coated brass Wolf used to sell. Better primers, better powder. In so far as cleaning the gun (Dirty powder issues) this ammo runs pretty close to my Federal 5.56 ammo. I have sent as many as 550 in a single session, with no cleaning. No problem.

I talked to a guy who runs several rifles at a time. His ONLY time with issues from the Wolf family ammo is when you start with 200-500 rounds of Wolf, and then switch to brass cased ammo. Brass swells, steel does not. If you shoot a lot of ammo in a steel case, then there might be some build up in the chamber if not cleaned. If you throw in some brass ammo, it is possible that the brass will expand and stick a bit, causing the extractor to maybe jump the rim, or rip the rim off the casing.

I flirted with it to see if I would have issues. None so far. I keep a chamber cleaning tip, and after a while I will give the chamber a quick scrub pass with the brush, and not worry for another 300-500 rounds.

And, finally- DO NOT run .22LR through these guns. Get the dedicated upper as was suggested.