M&P 15 Sport

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Hello all I been looking at the AR-15's as I finally talked my wife into letting me get one. I been looking at the M&P 15 Sport and the DPMS Oracle. I can get the Smith for around $612 plus tax and the DPMS for $599 plus tax. The smith comming with 1 30rnd clip and the DPMS with nylon case and 2-30rnd mags. I been scoping the M&P since I herd about it. The DPMS also has forward assist and dust cover which I dont have to have either of them as far as I know. What do you all think. I want some opinions. Thanks!:)
 
While the 1/8 twist melonite bbl. would be reason enough to go for the S&W, there are more.

The M&P is , simply, higher on the AR foodchain than DPMS. Quality parts and control at S&W trumps the DPMS if the anecdotal reports on many sites are an indication. Almost zero complaints on the Sport here and at other AR sites, rather pretty high praise.

No question the Sport is a bargain and from a superior manufacturer. JMHO:)
 
...I been scoping the M&P since I herd about it...

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I think it's a great rifle to a great price.

I'm so lucky with my wife. She agrees on almost everything right away... she's only asking "can it wait to next month?" :D

Go figure my answer ;)
 
I have a Sport and of the 2 you mentioned I would pick the Sport again. S&W will stand behind the gun should you have an issue.


FA and dust cover are not really necessary for a range/plinker gun and some argue not necessary on even a battle gun.

As far as the small price difference and the extra mag, you can pick up MagPul PMags very cheap, so that's not really a factor.

As I understand it the original Stoner design did not include an external FA:

Using the AR-15 forward assist | The Firearm Blog

Another option To consider at that same price range might be the Palmetto State Armory carbine:

Palmetto State Armory 16" M4A1 Carbine

It was not available when I purchased my Sport, or it would have complicated my decision a bit.
 
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DPMS is about as low as you can go in the AR world, just above Delton in (lack of) quality. If your budget limits you to these two choices, definitely go for the Sport. ;)
 
I actually own BOTH of these! (I broke down and got the DPMS, 'cause it was a 100% replica of the carbine I used to shoulder.)
What I can tell you about them:
Sport: Out of the box 95% on target. It only took a couple twists and the rifle was dead on.
DPMS: Out of the box, 0%.... I got the actual flip up sights and did the sighting myself. Took all of 20 rounds to get super close, by 30 rounds it was BINGO dead on.
Overall accuracy?? S&W 96.5, DPMS 97.5. It groups about .125" tighter than the S&W Sport at 50yds, carbine firing= standing, no sling, no rest, iron sights, medium fast fire rate. (No more than 3 seconds between shots.) This said, the rifles are both retarded accurate with iron sights.
Construction-
S&W Sport: Properly staked gas keys, all critical parts are staked and straight as sent from the factory. Melonite coating is intact and shows NO WEAR after 3,200 rounds. Rifle looks barely broken in. Fit from pivot pins is acceptable, not too loose, not too tight. Buffer; heavy, might not like weak a$$ ammo; fires WPA/ Wolf with no issues. Accepts and feeds 100% from ALL mags used so far. This includes the cheapo Thermold mags. (10 rnd units for Ca. I have like 10 of them for ??$6 a piece.) Maybe 1 round out of 300 acts up from a cheap mag. STANAG 30 rnd and Magpul 30rnd mags are flawless in the rifle. All fit and cut work is VERY good. Machining in magwell is very good. Upper is very well finished. M4 feed ramps are very well cut and need no polishing.
DPMS: Staking is not perfect. Gas carrier key is staked, but lightly. Rear ring on buffer tube is not staked; buffer tube is not 100% perfectly straight from factory. Easy fix. Gas block is properly set and tight. Rifle pivot pins are Excellent. Tighter fit than the S&W, yet still breaks down and rebuilds with no need to beat on the rifle. Better than even my Deployment Colts. Dust cover?? Yeah. F/A? Yeah. Not concerned with either feature. Been hunting for 34 yrs now and even my duck guns do not have a dust cover; they live in the swamp and have survived MANY marsh swims:eek: ( God loves a few things: S&W revolvers, Remington 700 rifles, and Mossberg shotguns!;)) If a rifle is feeding properly, the FA will never get used. If the rifle is dirty and FA is needed, then a cleaning is needed. M4 feed ramps: Used to be the DPMS was a .223, with original feed ramps. No longer. It's a true 5.56, and has EXCELLENT M4 style feed ramps. Better cut and fit than the S&W. Nothing is chromed, the bolt is phosphate coated and shows no issues with 800 rnds. Machining is so-so. Mag well machining is a bit sloppy (I am a bit picky:rolleyes:) The DPMS takes all mags well, and Magpul and STANAG mags again work flawlessly. The Thermold cheapos have some issues with the DPMS. I feel the mags do not hold quite high enough and as the mag gets to round #9 out of 10, it fails to feed on 3 of the 10 mags unless I am pushing upward on the mag. AGAIN: This is a cheap mag issue, NOT a rifle issue in my opinion. Buffer seems a touch lighter, and this may account for the slightly better accuracy on the DPMS rifle.
In my opinion, if you are seriously looking between these 2 rifles? I nudge toward the S&W Sport. They are pretty close. The S&W has more attention to detail. it comes with Troy sights; the industry standard. (Also, FWIW, the Troy is what both my deployment rifles had.) S&W has more reputation points FWIW. The S&W has better machining in the magwell, and the slickside upper is very well done. The price is a touch better because the S&W Sport is a complete rifle. The DPMS did not have sights, they threw some in to seal the deal.
If the SHTF, I will not worry which rifle I grab out of the cabinet; they both work very well. And both would qualify for Marksman, not just rifleman. On Sunday, I was able to hit a man size target at 600 yds with each rifle. My younger son did better than I, (He is 16, and has the eyes of youth. I envy him.) also, I am in Ca, and we do not get the Oracle itself. It is renamed the A15. Same exact rifle....just name modified for Ca. communism circumnavigation.:rolleyes:
 
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DPMS is about as low as you can go in the AR world, just above Delton in (lack of) quality. If your budget limits you to these two choices, definitely go for the Sport. ;)

Plum Crazy.......... is really the basement if I was to take a wild stab at the junkpile!!!

Thankfully, ALL the rifles are getting better and better. At this rate, most people will be hard pressed to get better performance out of any 1 particular rifle when compared on an apples to apples comparison with regards to carbine class rifles.
When it comes to the varmint guns and some LR shooter profile guns, there are some that demand and get $2,000 for a very good reason; they are flawless at 500yds+!!!!:D
 
wow i just checked out palmetto state armory's website. they got some great prices. they got a chrome lined 14.7 middy for $699. unbelievable.
 
I have never bought a rifle from PSA but have bought lost of ammo and some accessories. They are a good and reputable company and many who have their weapons have said they are comparable to Spikes products and sourced from the same maker for most parts.
 
That looks like a well featured rifle for $599. I have no experience with PSA guns. Are they as good quality as M&P?

Even with shipping and FFL fees, it's looks like a pretty good deal.
I hear good things about them. No personal knowledge, but plenty of positive remarks.
 
uh oh, i think i need to give em a shot and do a review. on the other hand, i want a bcm middy with a 14.5 perm flash suppressor. but there having a hard time keeping them in stock. psa will build the rifle and ship within 15days. im just baffled on the description of the goodies and how they can offer such a low price... i never seen that.
 
uh oh, i think i need to give em a shot and do a review. on the other hand, i want a bcm middy with a 14.5 perm flash suppressor. but there having a hard time keeping them in stock. psa will build the rifle and ship within 15days. im just baffled on the description of the goodies and how they can offer such a low price... i never seen that.

Consider it the looong overdue end of the $1500 AR. When we look back, there were several manufacturers who pushed the price point downward, we have to thank DelTon and DPMS for really kicking it into high gear. With S&W offering the Sport, it was a nail in the coffin for the expensive carbine, and now with PSA taking it to a whole level higher, I can honestly say these ARE the good 'ole days!!!:D
 
yeah i hear yah. i have a dpms L16 i bought used for $500 on armslist. ive put about 1100rds plus on top of the 300rds the original owner put into it. i run it slow, sometimes i dump the mag as a stress reliever. she runs good. i don't understand all the dpms & oly bashing. there not bad... i guess its just a hierarchy thing, such as my springfield 1911 is not on the level of a colt 80's or kimber custom because i don't have high priced name?
 
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This is a hard decision. I really want the smith and thats what I wanted from the git go. I can pick it up at the local gun store and have to order the palmetto. I know the palmetto has the forward assist and dust cover and better barrel. Man decisions decisions. On the ar forums everyone talkes up the palmetto.
 
If it helps, "better" re the bbl. is a mater of opinion. There are advantages to both the melonite and the twist's method of construction, IMHO.(R 5 type).
 
This is a hard decision. I really want the smith and thats what I wanted from the git go. I can pick it up at the local gun store and have to order the palmetto. I know the palmetto has the forward assist and dust cover and better barrel. Man decisions decisions. On the ar forums everyone talkes up the palmetto.

I'm really happy with my Sport, and am not about to trade it out for a PSA. I might consider the PSA as an extra rifle, but there are few benefits that mean much to me in this equation. The PSA has tested more of the parts, and some are based on a higher grade of material or they used a true mil spec test regimen on their build. Why, one would ask? I think they want a shot at government contracts, so they are using their existing production line to test the process.
 
I'm really happy with my Sport, and am not about to trade it out for a PSA. I might consider the PSA as an extra rifle, but there are few benefits that mean much to me in this equation. The PSA has tested more of the parts, and some are based on a higher grade of material or they used a true mil spec test regimen on their build. Why, one would ask? I think they want a shot at government contracts, so they are using their existing production line to test the process.

I doubt PSA is seriously looking for a govt contract. It is more likely that they are looking to crack the consumer market more fully, many of whom want a low price but also read the mil spec chart as the end all be all to ARs.

The PSA looks like an excellent product, and I certainly would have had a harder decision to make had their complete rifle been available when I purchased my Sport.

I have been happy with the Sport, but the PSA warrants serious consideration.

As others have said though Military specification is just that... a specification. It makes something that meets the spec a known quantity, but that does not automatically make it "better".

Not the be all, end all of AR's but a fairly informative read: http://forums.officer.com/forums/showthread.php?81462-So-you-want-to-buy-an-AR-15-huh
 
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