just think about all the assault rifles that dont have the dustcover feature that are fine firearms.And I was in the infantry for 4 years and shot thousands of rounds through an m16a1 and a2 and never had to use the forward assist.I hope this helps.

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I couldnt agree more Well said

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Well, its good that you are getting what you want, and not what someone else wants you to have because that's what they have.

I'm guessing the wait is going to cause you much stress and anxiety!

What are you going to tinker with first??? It's already got the cool MOE stuff, of course maybe you'll want some of the Magpul rails that go on the Magpul hand gaurd on your rifle, or maybe a sling, gotta have a case, extra mags, lots of ammo....

Welcome to the money pit!

Well Im really not sure. A sling and a case will probably be the first things I pick up. This will be my first AR-15 ever.

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Shoot it in its OEM configuration, then accessorize.

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This is the specs that are on the new M&P15 MOE. I was checking it out and I see it has a complete new lower, different than the other M&P15's. What caught my eye was the fixed trigger guard, v-shaped, similar to the Magpul enhanced trigger guard. Also includes a couple of Magpul DVD's. New flash hider too.

I think you did make the right choice, hope its not a long wait.

Yea I cant wait. I'm excited about it.

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I can literally buy a M&P15 sport and a second complete upper for that price. Why do people see the need to spend so much on an AR???

Because it is HIS money and he wants that model NOT a stripped sport and a spare upper.

Seems many of the Sport owners here spend as much or more on adds and upgrades as for the rifle. He just wants it the way he wants it out of the box. His choice, seems a good one if it makes him happy. YMMV

I wouldn't call the absence of a dust cover and a FA "stripped" .
Nor would I call having a second upper, like a 20 inch varmint a "spare". I would call it versatility and getting a lot more for your money.

In my case I'm going to buy the "stripped" AR, which will do everything a non-"stripped" one will do, and a Gen 4 Glock 19.

But YMMV too. (insert cutesy emoticon here, I guess it make you more right or something)

I think you missed the point that YOUR choice may not be everyones. He may not care about a varmint upper just like you don't care about his unique configuration. His money, his choice, your money.......................... (added to make me "righter".

I did get your point but making it by calling the Sport "stripped" and the second upper a "spare" are not how you make it. I don't care how a guy spends his money, I simply think it is a waste.

Apparently you stating his waste of money is a different slant then calling a sport a stripped model eh?

The model he's ordering is all new. The lower is designed my a joint venture between Smith & Wesson and Magpul, and it comes with some extra goodies from Magpul. He's going to have little need to change much of anything, only adding optics should he choose to go that route.

You might as well go on to AR15.com forum and tell everyone there that builds AR's to there liking that they are wasting their time and money.

Face it kids the SMITH AND WESSON M&P 15 Sport is stripped and we will all die when we engage in sustained combat with crackhead chicom zombie left wingers who vote!

BCM midlength or BUST!!!!!!

Damn you F/A!

Damn you Dust Cover straight to hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


in all seriousness buy what you like people! More ARs/gun owners in the mix when those crackhead chicom zombie left wingers in Washington sign bills to take our guns!

Oh btw this mystery Magpul model does sound cool. Fantasy vs Reality I'd have one of each. Back the truck up to the gun store and empty it. When my Rap album drops though I'm goin Full Auto. Enough said.....none of these guns are even close to milspec without the 180 degree safety.

2001gmc, enjoy your rifle! Please do come back and give us an update.

If you look up the M&P on Smith's website, look at one Moe models that has the shot show symbol. You can zoom in on the lower and get of a glimps of 'Magpul' stamped in the lower. Has a fixed trigger guard, v shaped to accomodate shooting with gloves. Makes sense since most people usually add a v shaped trigger guard to replace their flat trigger guards (I did, just to accomodate gloves!)

I saw the video very very nice 2001 man you did good!! I like how it has some of the different stuff they experimented on with the sport but beefed up ( upgraded nitrided 1/8 barrel and tweaked out forged trigger guard ) along with all the one of a kind upgrades and a mid length system. The only thing I personally would do to that gun is have a mount and slot put in on the back of the MOE handguard for a two point sling. Totally sick man....GUNLUST!!!!!

Actually, I think the Sport was a great idea and move on S&W's part. However, knocking the more expensive offerings on the part of some people is simply "If it ain't what I got, it isn't good and a waste of money."

It is stripped in it's most basic form. Not AS STRIPPED as my OR was since it has sights std. BUT the term is descriptive, not derogatory.

IF you die in a SHTF situation with your Sport, chances are you'll wake up and all will be well when mommie brings you your meds.

I have a S&W M&P15 MOE, and I've fired a few thusand rounds with it, both steel (Tula) and brass. I keep all of the guns in my safe in Condition 1 - even the .22 rifles. That way, if I have to open the safe in the dark during an emergency, any gun I grab will be one click of the safety away from being ready to rock and roll.

Last weekend, I took the S&W to the range. When I returned home (and without cleaning the rifle first), I was returning the gun to Condition 1 status by inserting a full 30-round magazine of M855 cartridges into the rifle. When I pulled back the charging handle, and let it go, the bolt only halfway chambered the first round.

Pushing on the forward assist caused the bolt to complete the charging process, and it's the first time I've ever had to use it. So yes, I would have regretted not having the forward assist.

Now, I may have inadvertently inserted a 31st cartridge int the mag without realizing it, I haven't checked it yet. When I pull the rifle out tomorrow to clean it, I'll empty the mag to verify the round count.

As for the dust cover, just because your rifle doesn't appear to need one doesn't mean you shouldn't have one. Yes, the rifle will probably be fine without it, and if it's "just a range gun", you'll be fine. When I'm carrying mine, or when it's in the safe, the dust door is closed. No, a dust door can't be expected to keep out all debris, but it keeps out a majority of it, and I see no point in tempting fate.

These are simply my opinions and observations, and you can do with them as you please. If you wind up deciding you don't need a foward assist or dust cover, buy with confidence. In fact, you can always buy the Sport, and if you decide at a later time that you actually DO want those items, just buy a standard upper receiver, and transfer all the parts over to it. It's an easy and relatively cheap upgrade to your rifle. You can even do it without having to justify it to anyone. Ain't America great?

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Yesterday when I went to shoot, the very first round out of the 20 round milsurp mag had a problem feeding into the barrel and the bolt didnt go all the way forward. Being as I was not in Combat, nor do I ever hope to be there again. I took the little bit of time, made sure the gun was on safe, dropped the mag, pulled the charging handle to the rear and locked it. picked up the bullet wiped it down reinserted it into the mag. I then reinserted the mag in the weapon, pulled the charging handle and let it go, the round chambered just fine and I was off to the races. Had I been in Combat it would have been a little unnerving but I was facing paper targets who couldnt shoot back so I had the time to clear the failure to feed. Yes a FA would have been nice but I would rather clear the weapon and understand what was going on. Plus I couldnt have bought the weapon had I had to spend over a grand. So there are trade offs, would I rather have had a FA and a dust cover, Yes. Would I have this weapon had I had to have em'. No. So I am still a happy puppy. To each his own!!

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I've given this whole dust cover and forward assist thing a lot of thought and I have come to this conclusion.

1. Forward assist - don't care. Clear the rifle or nudge the bolt forward. Doesn't really make a difference and allowed S&W to save costs, thus resulting in a less expensive product for me.

2. Dust cover - I would like to have one, as well as every other Sport owner would. However, if S&W would have put a dust cover on the Sport, or simply left the provisions for the user to add one, the Sport would cannibalize some of the higher model sales. I think it was more of a marketing idea to leave it off, than a cost savings issue.

On a more serious note. I said I THINK its a waste, meaning to me I think its a waste if a much less expensive model is functionally as good for most people's purpose. Maybe I'm missing something. Comparing the M&P SPort and the more expensive model, please enlighten me what functionality is gained by spending the extra dough? What am I getting for the money? To me the only thing an AR needs for me is an optic, if I'm shooting at distance, because my eyes aren't what they were when I was 18. I don't need to add handles, or fancy grips, rails, or other things that don't add to the accuraccy, reliability, or durability of the weapon.

You are getting the equivalent of power Windows and locks on a car. It's not necessary, but some people just like to have it. If you just want to shoot as cheap as possible, you coulda gone to Walmart and bought savage 223 for under 300.00. It's America and with that, we have choices to fill just about everyone's wants and/or needs.

What would he "need to change"?

BTW, I didn't say building your own AR is a waste of time. Please show me where I did. Also, most guys would argue building your own saves money in the long run. This isn't AR15.com so............

That's a true statement. Building your own isn't cheaper than buying one off the shelf, BUT building your own IS often cheaper than buying one off the shelf and then customizing it. (I've done it both ways.)

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Nothing to show, it was implied in your all encompassed statement the declared anyone not buying what you bought, a waste.

Ww for the ar15.com comment, if you think all those on here that didn't buy a sport just wasted their money, there's thousand more over there you could try to convince that you know what's best for them.

So is your logic like Henry Ford's, you can have any color you want as long as its black, some people want to personalize theirs, some people want all the buttons and bells and some like the basic model. It would be really boring if we were all the same!! and the emoticon makes me right LOL

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I agree with the guy above. If they wanted to save money and didn't add the dust cover/FA it would have been nice if they just used the same casting so the user could have added them later. I'm on a budget and right now I can get a new M&P15 for $530 out the door. I have a stripped lower and I was going to build one myself but that is hard to pass up (especially when I can sell my stripped lower and subtract that from the price I'm paying). Later, I'll save up and build another varmint upper for longer range shooting. My original plan was to build a varminter and buy a M4 upper later. I think this will be more economical for me in the long run. Heck, I could even put the longer target barrel on the uper without the dust cover since it will be a range gun and build a real ninja combat upper with the shorter barrel. ARs give you a lot of options.

Since some guys got their feelings hurt when I used the word "waste" earlier let me explain what I was trying to say.
The analogy used was that buying the M&P Sport was like buying a base model car against one with power windows and I agree with that. But the attitude seems to be that if you buy the base model you then NEED to buy and install power windows or your car just won't drive like the other one so in the long run you better get the one with power windows. OR that if you buy the one without power windows you are spitting in the face of guys who did. I'm simply saying that if I don't need power windows, personally, and I let the dealer talk me into buying a loaded model because he made me think I NEED them, that for most people its a waste of money because the motor, suspension, MPG, power are the same on both. I never meant to say or imply that if someone bought the loaded model because it is what they wanted that it was in any way wrong or wasteful. I don't care if you dip yours in gold but lets not deride others who don't or imply that if yours isn't, it NEEDS to be. OK?

My history with the AR is 4 years in the Marine Corps and 16 years using them in my present job for the government. I've always used the A2 configuration and I've never wished it had more gadgets on it. I was a fourth award expert with the rifle in the Marine Corps and I qualify easily with it each year at work. I really like the idea of an optic and back up sights, maybe a free float tube on a longer barreled model but other than that I don't have much use for the rest as I don't see that it adds anything to the reliability, accuracy, or durability of the weapon. If I'm missing something I would love to hear it before my tax return is deposited and I order my M&P Sport.

Heres your answer

A. buy the rifle it's GTG. You already know how to take care of it, it will serve you well.

B. proceed to shoot the * insert bodily function * out of it!

yeah. I'm not really hearing anything to the contrary.

ive never had to use the fa.

I wasn't implying that anyone would have to add anything to their stock rifle, sport or otherwise. I was simply eluding to the fact the most people do add after market stuff to their guns, to kinda make them 'their' gun, kinda like folks do with motorcycles. The now version that gmc selected is pretty much already decked out with after market goodies

No, you said I was trying to tell everyone else what was best for them or that anyone who didn't buy a sport was wasting their money. I didn't say either. I was clarifying what I DID say.

Really folks, has it not become obvious that there are so many variations on a theme that there simply isn't a one size fits all AR.

I love my Sport. It's my entry into some great gun sport. I'm a recreational shooter and it fits the bill for me. But I can understand someone wanting more and are willing to pay for it.

I hope that this somewhat contentious at times thread is laid to rest soon as it's doing no one any favors and surely proves nothing to those who's minds are made up from the get-go.

Regards to all,

Hobie

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I knew I would eventually be changing things on my sport, but I didnt see nor could I afford to special order a particular model and there are so many people buying magpul stuff that a MOE is just another M&P dressed up like every airsoft kid, I actually have been buying used parts, there are those out there with lots of money who change their gun schemes as often as my wife changes her mind and then they put the old stuff up for sale and most of it doesnt look old...I have a few packages coming monday so we will see how much my rifle changes, but I dont need a quad rail, its hard to see a prairie dog with a laser or a flashlight, and if someone try's to come through my front door my 45acp will send them right back out of it. I am just rambling, but I cant wait for my new to me pieces get here,,,but no there isnt going to be a quad rail or a bayonet or three of four different sight systems. I tried to lean it over and shoot it gangsta style and it didnt work for me......have fun....gonna watch a shoot out....with cars turning left!!!OK now you can make fun of me!!!

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Well found out today my gun I ordered the Shot Show MOE wont be in production till end of march. I may choose a different M&P was thinkin on one of these two.

Product: Model M&P15A Rifle

Product: Model M&P15X Rifle

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I have the A, but I would have rather have had the X. The dealer I bought mine from had my A on sale for 870, while the X was 1130 or so. The only difference in the two is the X and it's Troy Rail, which can be bought for a little over a hundred bucks. If price was similar, or within a hundred, I'd get the X. Both come with the Troy Industries Rear Battle sight.

I have since MOE'd mine out, so I won't be getting the Troy rail. That rail is probably the nicest I'd seen yet though.

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M&P 22A, 40c, 15A, 15-22

My first advice is to be patient and wait for the Mid-Length MOE. I like the mid-length gas system. It has a longer sight radius & more room to position your weak hand.

I also prefer the specs of the the new mid-length MOE over the other two.

• 4150 CMV
• Melonite Treated
• 1:8 5R progressive rifling

The mag-well is flared. The forward portion of the mag-well is serrated for grip. The finger shelf above the trigger. The enhanced flash hider.

According to the S&W website, the mid-length MOE also comes with the Magpul "Art of The Tactical Carbine" Volume 1 & 2 DVD's. I've watched both volumes, and they are very informative.

The mid-length MOE also has all the Magpul Accessories you would have eventually put on. It's got all the Magpul goodies I put on my 15-Sport.

Now if you really are impatient, then out of the two you were looking at I'd go for the model with the rails.

If that is the one you really want...wait. It won't be long.

You might as well get one of the two you listed as alternates. These are addicting and you'll be wanting to add another before long anyways, and by then the new MOE will be out

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M&P 22A, 40c, 15A, 15-22

LOL! I dont think the wife will approve of that.

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Just a quick thought. When a piece of equipment needs a seal to keep dust and dirt out what do you see? You will find usually a cover or such that is bolted down with an o-ring or some kind of seal. For those of you who really really believe the dust cover is a requirement. Take your AR with a DustCover, remove the upper, take the BCG out and shine a flashlight into the inside of the DustCover. Look at how much light leaks through. Remember how small dust particles are? You dont think that the Dust Particles come through all that gap. Just another bandaid. Food for thought, Stay thirsty my friends. (just had to add that sorry)

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I had no idea your name was actually Jonathan Goldsmith from the Dos Equis ad!!!!

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M&P 22A, 40c, 15A, 15-22

I held and looked over a Bushmaster ACR at the LGS today. I read somewhere that Magpul sold the Magpul Masada design to Bushmaster, and voila... ACR.

I'm looking it over and keeping in mind the specs of the new Mid-Length 15-MOE. I think Magpul just ported over some of the Masada tweaks to the new Mid-Length 15-MOE.

The magwell flare, trigger guard shape, fore-end feel, grip feel, and the front magwell texturing looked similar.

All Ar,s suffer from not being clean and not lubed wet. They poop where they eat so the FA or dust cover is not the issue. Keep it clean and lubed is the answer. The dust cover or forward assist is not the problem. Get a Sport and be happy!

When I was in the Corps my M-16 had both and I had jams anyways because when your firing your rifle the cover comes open and grit (sand) does get in the chamber and FA didn't help much when that happened. I think its there for inspection arms only it makes that nice snap lol

Well I got the call today. My New MOE Mid-length is on its way. They said it may be in this Friday it shipped out this morning. This being my first AR-15 what needs to be taken apart and cleaned and lubed before I shoot it? Man I cant wait I'm off 3 days this weekend to.

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i like it... but than again im biased... to me the FA and dust cover makes it feel more authentic..... i dont think i could get a sport IMO... not hating just my OR is just more my style thats all

plus its gives you another part to customize

All ARs suffer from the poop where they eat syndrome. The only thing that helps is keep it clean and lubed wet. The heart of the AR is the down fall of the direct gase impingement gas sysytem from day one.It works if clean and lubed pretty fair.