Try it again with your pics in focus this time.

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Hey Grover, FYI that primer doesn't look right....

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That looks like the new ultra-high-performance square primer that Tula's starting to use.

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I watch what ammo I shoot because of extractor damage(steel case) and squibs. I know this could happen with good factory ammo as well but I'll take my chances with the good stuff. But hey that is just me.

Ive had about 750 rounds of everything go through my rifle with cleaning every 200-250 rounds. The last time I went to the range I had an issue with the TulAmmo round gettin stuck in the chamber. It was my last 40 rounds I started havin issues. Turns out it my bolt carrier group got real dirty and started to bind.

I had problems with 40 cal tula feeding in my pistol but never tried 223 yet. I had problems with Wolf ammo when I first got my M&P15a about 4 years ago. I primarily shoot brass case PMC or Hotshot that I get at my lgs and its cheaper than getting brass ammo at Walmart .

I have shot Tula & Wolf steel cases and Federal brass case through my M&P 15 with absolutely no issues. I have switched between brands in the same session multiple times and never had a single issue. Everyone needs to make decisions based on their own weapon and not what someone else had happen to them.

The primer rotated 90 degrees as it went in. I have had it happen when setting primers in my hand loads. There is a possibility it would ignite when the firing pin struck it....and if so, you would have a lot of gas blow by....like a pierced primer only worse, IMO. Good choice not to shoot it.

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Ok we are goin round and round about this stuff. I am new to this ar thing. Have one on the way. Anyway can we agree on an ammo that is still cheap to shoot and works well in most if not all the rifles? I know I have to experiment when my rifle gets here so I won't be buying 1000 rounds or anything until I know it works. I guess the question is where should I start?

thanks

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Okay, my personal recommendation; it comes as a qualifier question or 2: Are you planning on using any kind of optics? If your answer is YES, follow me on this-
Get your optics you plan on using; ALL of them! (Yeah, red dot, Eotech holo, hunting scope, get them all ready to go- mounts, all that good stuff.
Get yourself some good quality hunting ammo/ match grade ammo- say 3 or 4 boxes of the stuff, depending on how many different optics you plan to use. 1 box per unit.
Get some basic xm193 or xm855 military ammo. Again, get a box per optic, or 2 since it costs less.

Start with zeroing the iron sights. (Okay, screw around and shoot the .mil surplus ammo; have a bit of fun and see that the rifle works well.)
Now, let the barrel cool a bit, and set up targets. have a spotting scope or good binos at the ready. And, a notepad:
Using .mil ammo, check the iron sights for zero. Adjust as necessary. Once on, let it cool off, set up for your optics. Put one on. Replace .mil ammo with hunting ammo. Sight in the scope as you would a hunting rifle. Slow, measured shots and let the barrel cool; do not go dropping lots of more expensive ammo. Once zeroed, switch to .mil ammo. See how it shoots relative to the hunting ammo. Take notes, and compare.
Repeat this with each optic.

After this, shoot the cheap stuff with glee.

yes. American Eagle .223. I've never heard a bad thing about it. Can be found for $6-7 a box.

Not tula but,
I have some family intown and my local shop only had brown bear 223, @ 5$ a box, so we bought 10 boxes. I've never used this before, but....... Was pretty accurate and reliable, my only issue is all the scratch marks on the deflector, but it shot very well through a few back to back rapid fire mag dumps. I now like brown bear and my lake city 5.56 xm193,....Oh ya, the brown bear smells funny.

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Anyone have any experience with Herters (sp?) - looks like exclusive to Cabela's? Appears to be along the same lines at Tulammo and Wolf but has a fair number of bad reviews on the Cabela's website. They have it on sale right now with free dry storage container.

Just picked up my new Sport yesterday, looking for ammo now

I guess I've been lucky. Haven't shot any of the .223 but a bit of the 7.62x39 in my and my buddies AK's. No problems here. I hope I'm not shooting myself in the foot. LOL When it goes on sale again I'll pick up another 1k rounds.

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Souderton, Pa.

I had one gunsmith swear up and down that the steel cases cause premature chamber wear.

Seems to me that far to many people use it for that to be true.

Probably hard for the weekend warrior to define premature chamber wear, much less barrel wear or any wear for that matter.

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M&P 22A, 40c, 15A, 15-22

I was at the range today and the marine next to me was using tula .223 in his AR and every couple of rounds he would have to get his rod out and knock the case out of the rifle. He asked if he could have a couple of my federal 5.56 rounds to check his rifle and I gave him 2 and he had no problems at all with the federal.

I've shot a fair amount of it. It ran just like Tula....I couldn't tell the difference. No problem with any of it.

Heters is an old name from the 60s. They were to shooters, fisherman, outdoors people, etc. back then what Bass Pro Shops or Cabela's are today. It would seem that Cabela's has obtained the rights to use the name. I was a kid back in the 60s....I use to thumb through the Heters catalog and dream off all of the gun stuff they had in it. Fond memories.....

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As I have found, you must clean the chamber very well every couple thousand rounds. I mean CLEAN. And, extractors do tend to wear a bit quicker. So far, my S&W has not lost its' extractor. But....my DPMS did. It has about 6500 thru it, so for a $6 part, I have saved a lot more than that in ammo cost.

For me...it is not my favorite...will I shoot it again....without a doubt!!

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I been using so far the Federal X193 I think is what they were called and the American Eagle AR from Walmarts these are $6.95 a box and the Federal's were $7.95 a box at local gun shop. I'm debating on weather to use the Tulammo cause I can get it for $4.97 a box at walmart or order it even cheaper. The gun shop I got my M&P from told me it was my preference to shoot steel case but to keep it clean and it it was his he wouldnt use it. So I'm still debating I can handle a FTF but dont want to get a case jammed in my barrel.

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GMC...I shot about 400 rounds of the steel cased (silver bear was my favorite) including 140 rounds of Tulammo, before I got my Fed XM193, it is fine for plinking, it does dirty up the gun more, I switched so I would have plenty of brass for reloading. Right now I am prepping over 300 pieces of brass. One thing I have discovered is that the Xm193 Brass is visibly thicker than say Ram or American Eagle .223 brass. This is all my opinion though and there are people who have shot a lot more than I have.

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Stop by Home Depot. Pick up a 3' long piece of mild steel rod from their hardware section. Cut it to length, 6" longer than your barrel. Using a roll of electric tape, wrap it (overlapping half the width of the tape) top to bottom. Toss the steel rod into your vehicle and forget about it. If you ever get a case stuck, you'll have the perfect stuck case removal tool. This is much better than an aluminum cleaning rod (don't use that). I've never had to use mine and probably never will because I have it (Murphy's Law in reverse).

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Anyone got any new updates on how the Tula has worked out for you in your M&P? Seems that's about all I see at Wally World anymore around me. And the most frequent thing I see when looking for it online is "Temporarily Out of Stock"

And it's about 6 cents per round cheaper than the next cheapest thing.

If your money situation is good, then get the better ammo. If you really can't budget the better stuff do what everyone does and buy what you can afford and then deal with the possible inconveniences

Personally, I would rather have Tulammo onhand than nothing onhand.
Even if I had 5,000 rounds of Tulammo I would feel FAR better than having only a few rounds of Federal or whatever.

Fortunately, I have a lot of the better stuff but I have also purchased a few hun-ded rounds of Tulammo.

I use it regularly with my Sport and the only thing I have to say is that I have to use steel colt mags. If I use my Thermoid mags they jam but I've never had an issue with my colt mags. Hope that helps!

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We have 5 AR style direct impingement rifles and to date steel ammo has functioned flawlessly in all except a Colt Sporter in A2 configuration. A subsequent attempt to shoot brass cased ammo in that Colt indicated that the issue may be magazine related. We will try steel in that rifle again with a known good mag to get things sorted out.

My M&P 15 refuses to digest the stuff. I never have problems with any other steel case ammo, so maybe it's just a defective lot. Well, more defective then usual. I still prefer brass anyway. Just my opinion.

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I have never had a problem with it. Even in my Thermold 20 round mags, I had problems with some ammo in my Thermold 30's so I got rid of them but I have 10 thermold 20's that I use a lot and they work with all different ammo!

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This is why I stay away from Tula, Wolf and any steel cased ammo. For what you save in price you take too many chances on doing damage to your rifle. The savings are not worth the risks. IMHO

I've burned up a gob of tula, wolf, S&B, brown & silver bear in my mixmaster parts gun. I have had fired cartridge cases stuck in the chamber several times... BUT it occured on 90+ degree temps after going through 7-8 magazines pretty quick (heat off the float tube would burn your fingers) doing drills and I had neglected to clean the chamber after my last range session. Steel case, dirty chamber, high ambient temp, and a cookin' barrel = stuck case in my carbine. Haven't had one stick as long as I keep the chamber clean. Angel didn't piss in my musket..... failed out of neglect.

Would the steel cased stuff be my first choice for social work.... no. But with good maintenance it works fine for practice.

I shoot it in everything. Glocks, S&W, 1911s, ARs, AKs, Remington 700. Only ever had one problem. A batch had primers set to deep and the firing pin on my AK would barely touch it. Otherwise i never had a jam, failure or any broken parts. Ive been shooting this ammo non stop since about 2005

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im happy to say that my OR isnt a picky eater... ive had everything from hornady vmax's to tula/wolf for plinkin through it without any FTF,FTL, or FTEs ... when i originally asked this question, i was basically wondering if this would damage my gun... NOPE.. it just keeps nomnomin on ammo and then shouting at me MMMOOOAAAAARRRR!!!!!!

With so many different answers this thread may have been "moar" useful with a poll ?

All the thread has told me is ....roll the dice. YMMV

I actually shot ONLY 60 rounds of this stuff yesterday. I just finished cleaning and WOW this stuff is dirty. There was a pink film over everything! It preformed fine, but I will never purchase the cheap stuff again. Spend a couple of bucks more and save yourself a lot of time cleaning.

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Well guys if you haven't figured it out yet the tula works grate with the S&W sport because of its melonite barrel and 1 in 8 twist. The sport was made too shoot cheap stuff. I run Tula exclusively though my sport 2,500 rd+ and not a single problem.
Just add lots of lube

"The Sport was made to shoot cheap stuff" Where in the world did you hear that (edited from the original question)? The Sport was made to shoot and to shoot accurately, If you would read the "sticky thread" titled barrel specs for sport you would find out that Melonite surpasses chrome lining in every test. the 1-8 5R rifling is a compromise to allow the rifle to shoot a wide variation of bullet weights accurately. Yes my Sport shoots the cheap stuff, it also is super accurate with the good stuff, far more accurate than alot of the other brand of rifles out there, I didnt say all, Noveske makes a fine barrel. But to say the Sport was made to shoot the cheap stuff is a generalization that is simply untrue!

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The Sport shoots the cheap stuff more accurately and more reliably than most if not all other AR's too the point where It dose not make sense to spend more than $6.00 on a box of ammo unless you just need a heaver round for hunting, Law enforcement etc.

I shoot Tula from time to time in my spikes ar. No problems so far, little dirty compared to other brands but not bad

Just to throw lead down range I can agree with you. I quit buying it when I needed that extra edge of accuracy for hunting, and I bought a bunch of brass cased ammo so I can reload it for even more accuracy. I mostly hunt prairie dogs with it, which are the size of squirrels and not big ones either. Plus my shots run to the long side so you can see where I might need some extra accuracy. I really hate wounding an animal of any kind.

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I used Tula ammo to sight in my red dot on my M&P15 OR yesterday.

I sighted it in at 25 yards, and it was good at 50, 100, 200, and 250 yards.

The 250 yard range was a 8" steel target.

It also worked at 400 yards with some holdover.

No FTF or FTE problems through 100rounds.

S&WOkie....I will be in Oklahoma tomorrow till Tuesday. Anyway great shooting, my 250 yard target is about 8" by 2". But when I got my sport I also bought a thousand rounds of Tula, brown bear and silver bear. Those were the bullets that convinced me on how accurate my rifle was. I dont discredit them. I guess I just like rolling my own!!

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No FTF or FTE problems through 2,500+ tula rounds for myself.

I had shot over 500 round of Tula and had no problems and I clean my AR after every trip. After buying 500 rounds I went to the range and one of the cartridges expanded in my barrel after firing. We had to take off the upper and slam a cleaning rod through the barrel to get the cartridge out. Now I am just trying to use it up and never buying it again because i have had problems with Tula ever since. We are talking multiple jams every two magazines and dud primers.

I have been shooting Tula in my Bodyguard 380, purchased from Sportsman Warehouse. Had several FTF from light primer strikes (happened on all brands ammo) and sent my gun back to S&W for repair.

Got the gun back, bought another box of Tula to try, and my gun would not even chamber the rounds! At first I thought S&W had messed something up, but then I tried a round from another box of Tula that I had sitting around. it chambered fine.

So I started comparing the two boxes. Both were same bullet weight, and when measured, both were the same length. The odd thing was, the bullets from the box that would not chamber, were WIDER on the end, than the other box. It was just wide enough to not allow my gun to chamber all the way.

I contacted tula and they reimbursed me. It is also the last box of Tula I will ever buy. Saving 4 or 5 bucks is not worth it, no matter how much I shoot !

Wow.

Interesting information.

I've fired Tula through my M&P 15 Sport and so far no problems.
Wondering if it was just a bad batch? It happens.
I have micrometers so I'll check some to see if I detect this.

I'll post back what I find soon.

Even though this is a M&P 15 Thread, not everyone posts info about that specific rifle. Were you using an M&P 15?

Have you checked to see if some of the polymer coating as baked off onto the walls of your chamber? I have heard of that happening.

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This is my question also.

It sounds like the gun needs a good cleaning with a chamber brush to remove all the gunk.

It is my understanding that because the steel casings do not expand as much as the brass casings, that residue can build up in the chamber causing the problems you are having.