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M&P 15 Cleaning Cloth/ Cleaning Paste
What type of cloth do you use to wipe down the outside of the gun that wont leave any lint on the black finish? I was told to use paste to clean inside of barrel. I guess Frog Lube would be good and what do you all use? Thanks!
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What type of cloth do you use to wipe down the outside of the gun that wont leave any lint on the black finish?
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I use rags made from old cut up T-Shirts, moistened with a little RemOil.
I have a 15-Sport. If I'm not worried about dust getting into my rifle's action, I'm not so worried about lint on the surface.
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I was told to use paste to clean inside of barrel. I guess Frog Lube would be good and what do you all use? Thanks!
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Paste? I guess I must be old school. I use good old Hoppes No.9, patches, bronze brush, & more patches. I end by pulling a CLP moistened patch through the barrel.
I to clean out the chamber, I have a chamber cleaning brush like this:
A couple twists, wipe, a few cotton swabs for the lugs and I'm done.
And for the BCG:
^Not necessary, but makes the job easier.
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I use rags made from old cut up T-Shirts, moistened with a little RemOil.
I have a 15-Sport. If I'm not worried about dust getting into my rifle's action, I'm not so worried about lint on the surface.
Paste? I guess I must be old school. I use good old Hoppes No.9, patches, bronze brush, & more patches. I end by pulling a CLP moistened patch through the barrel.
I to clean out the chamber, I have a chamber cleaning brush like this:
A couple twists, wipe, a few cotton swabs for the lugs and I'm done.
And for the BCG:
^Not necessary, but makes the job easier.
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I do the same except I use the blue workshop paper towels from autozone, plus I use the cotten swabs around the end of the gas tube to clean under and around it and around the hammer and springs and I dont have the BCG tool.
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I use Hoppes occasionally but mostly I use Tri-Flow for cleaning and lubricating....but wanting to get some of that Royal Purple gun lube or motor oil for lubing. Like was said before I really dont think about the outside but I also use lint free cloths...i.e. old T-shirts and the such
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J-BŪ BORE COMPOUND & KROIL - Brownells
This is what the guy I bought the gun from cleaned it with before I took it out the door. He also had a nice solid cleaning rod with a nice handle on the end of it that turned with the rifling while pulling it in and out. He was showing me on each patch the little copper pieces on each patch as we were cleaning some so small that had to move it around in the light to see till they were all gone then he lubed it with the Kroil. My cleaning rod is 3 pieces and does not rotate while pulling it in and out. Appears this is almost a must to get all the fine copper pieces out of the rifling. I've always used Hoppies #9 also to clean but he told me to use the Hoppies and then use this after cleaning with the Hoppies just to see what all the Hoppies was leaving behind. His cleaning rod also had the brass Jag on the end instead of the hoop type end seemed to work real well. I was just kinda wondering if any of you guys used this method and how it worked for you. I would tell someone they were full of **** if I had not see this with my own eyes on the stuff this paste was getting cleaned out of the rifling's. I know I just want to do the best cleaning on this new M&P15 and looking for you guys opinions also. Thanks!!
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Any basic cleaning kit, the cleaning rod handle swivels on the actual cleaning rod. I can't imagine using one that doesn't and am surprised you have one made this way?? Perhaps your cleaning rod is from a black powder gun kit.
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J-BŪ BORE COMPOUND & KROIL - Brownells
This is what the guy I bought the gun from cleaned it with before I took it out the door. He also had a nice solid cleaning rod with a nice handle on the end of it that turned with the rifling while pulling it in and out. He was showing me on each patch the little copper pieces on each patch as we were cleaning some so small that had to move it around in the light to see till they were all gone then he lubed it with the Kroil. My cleaning rod is 3 pieces and does not rotate while pulling it in and out. Appears this is almost a must to get all the fine copper pieces out of the rifling. I've always used Hoppies #9 also to clean but he told me to use the Hoppies and then use this after cleaning with the Hoppies just to see what all the Hoppies was leaving behind. His cleaning rod also had the brass Jag on the end instead of the hoop type end seemed to work real well. I was just kinda wondering if any of you guys used this method and how it worked for you. I would tell someone they were full of **** if I had not see this with my own eyes on the stuff this paste was getting cleaned out of the rifling's. I know I just want to do the best cleaning on this new M&P15 and looking for you guys opinions also. Thanks!!
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Any basic cleaning kit, the cleaning rod handle swivels on the actual cleaning rod. I can't imagine using one that doesn't and am surprised you have one made this way?? Perhaps your cleaning rod is from a black powder gun kit.
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My rod is made to rotate but is just such a cheap rod that it dont when you got all that pressure on it pushing it through the bore.
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Another old school guy here too. Hoppes #9, bChamber and bore brushes along with patches. Then I top it off with Militec or Rem Oil.
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I always enjoyed cleaning mine after a good day of shooting but then again I was a Uncle Sam's Misguided Child and everyone knows there is something wrong with us lol
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Most of my recreational shooting is with a flintlock. By comparison, cleaning my Sport is downright enjoyable.
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Most of my recreational shooting is with a flintlock. By comparison, cleaning my Sport is downright enjoyable.
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We have taking our barrels off of our cap locks and soap and water and a brass brush in the shower down pat....then a little bore butter and all is good....LOL
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We have taking our barrels off of our cap locks and soap and water and a brass brush in the shower down pat....then a little bore butter and all is good....LOL
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removing a pinned barrel from a long rifle (vs. a hawken style caplock) for cleaning is not generally done. I've got my routine down pretty well. Still involves cold/soapy water and multiple patches.
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I use this stuff for cleaning the bore and any other section of my gun that has carbon or copper deposits........let it soak in for awhile, then swab out works great. I get it in either the 8 or 12 oz bottles locally -
Bore Shine Bore Cleaning Solvent 4oz Liquid
Then I use Remington or Slick 50 spray for lube & metal protection.
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removing a pinned barrel from a long rifle (vs. a hawken style caplock) for cleaning is not generally done. I've got my routine down pretty well. Still involves cold/soapy water and multiple patches.
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To remove the barrel from my TC you remove the wedge pin and it comes right out. In fact TC sent the pin puller as an accessory with the rifle. Thats how they recommend cleaning it. My wifes CVA you have to use a pin punch but its no step for a stepper.
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I like to wipe the outside of mine down with Rem Oil.
You might try using a tampon, they might be lint free....
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I've heard it say that you can over clean a bore and wear the bore out faster by over cleaning then you can by shooting. I wonder if this paste stuff attributes to this. It might not be something a person wants to use exclusively, all the time, every time?
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J-B is a wonderful barrel cleaner, I have restored several rifles to tack drivers with it. Had one pre 64 mod 70 that had a barrel that looked like a sewer pipe when delivered to me by my dentist to clean.
He was of the school of put oil down it and put it in the closet. I started with Hoppies and a bore brush, after an hour or so I change to J-B then hours of more cleaning before it came out clean.
Groups went from 3 inch area to under one inch. Not bad for a 30-06.
That said remember J-B is an abrasive a very fine one but still an abrasive over use can wear a barrel. Just get the bore nice and shiney
and it will pick up less copper. Hold the J-B off for times when many rounds have been fired.
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No disrespect meant but any decent 30-06 should shoot groups less than 1" at 100 yards(which is the distance I presume you were referring to) I have a hard time with abrasives in a rifle barrel. On my WWII and even my 1918 Mauser the bores were pretty cruddy. I took a brass/bronze bore brush and wound a little steel wool in it to clean them back to bright and shiny. IMHO abrasives in a rifle bore just shorten the life of the rifle. But to each his own but remember how tiny the lands and grooves are in an AR and think about how few times you could use abrasives until you had a smoothbore.
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No disrespect meant but any decent 30-06 should shoot groups less than 1" at 100 yards(which is the distance I presume you were referring to) I have a hard time with abrasives in a rifle barrel. On my WWII and even my 1918 Mauser the bores were pretty cruddy. I took a brass/bronze bore brush and wound a little steel wool in it to clean them back to bright and shiny. IMHO abrasives in a rifle bore just shorten the life of the rifle. But to each his own but remember how tiny the lands and grooves are in an AR and think about how few times you could use abrasives until you had a smoothbore.
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Neat trick I will have to remember that one with the steel wool, and I agree with you about the abrasives. just using solvent cleaned our rifles good enough to pass inspection at the armory without damaging the barrels. I would imagine that if the military would allow abrasives to be used to clean the barrels they would be replacing them every 6 months lol.
I did forget to post one more trick I use I take a stripper clip and push the brass insert 1/2 out and use that to scrape the inside of the bolt, it doesnt damage the chrome then take 4 q-tips soaked in solvent and let them sit in the seats for awhile while I clean elsewhere after 10 mins I twist them around several times and remove them and its nice and clean, I learned that trick in the corps
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No disrespect meant but any decent 30-06 should shoot groups less than 1" at 100 yards(which is the distance I presume you were referring to) I have a hard time with abrasives in a rifle barrel. On my WWII and even my 1918 Mauser the bores were pretty cruddy. I took a brass/bronze bore brush and wound a little steel wool in it to clean them back to bright and shiny. IMHO abrasives in a rifle bore just shorten the life of the rifle. But to each his own but remember how tiny the lands and grooves are in an AR and think about how few times you could use abrasives until you had a smoothbore.
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Agreed that any good 30-06 should do an inch at 100 yds. but remember I only cleaned the barrel,no bedding , *** scope and no loading work up.
My personal Rem. 30-06 will shoot a slot one bullet wide 3 bullets high at 100 yds. My pillar bedded Sav. 30.06 will do half in. If I do my part, if any of my varmint rifles exceede 1/2 inch with junk ammo I get concerned. By the way my M-1A match rifle will do 1 in. at 100 with iron sights.
Most bench rest shooters do basic cleaning with brake cleaner and only resort to JB in last option.
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Agreed that any good 30-06 should do an inch at 100 yds. but remember I only cleaned the barrel,no bedding , *** scope and no loading work up.
My personal Rem. 30-06 will shoot a slot one bullet wide 3 bullets high at 100 yds. My pillar bedded Sav. 30.06 will do half in. If I do my part, if any of my varmint rifles exceede 1/2 inch with junk ammo I get concerned. By the way my M-1A match rifle will do 1 in. at 100 with iron sights.
Most bench rest shooters do basic cleaning with break cleaner and only resort to JB in last resort.
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After cleaning the barrels on my Mausers they did about an inch with Irons but well under an inch with optics, now they are bedded and all cloverleaf @ 100 but I do have to change the settings for some of the handloads I have. My handloads run from 125gr varmint rounds to 185 gr deer rounds.
But Just like GMCMan said in the Corps we got the hand me downs from the Army National Guard and still had to qualify to 500 yards with irons.
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GMC...you know there would be some lifer DI who would teach his boots to use the abrasives and it would just spread from there, and as often as the Corps gets new things, we would be sending soldiers to battle with smoothbores.
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lol tell me about it, the new and not almost used up we had, was donated to us from the other services,without their knowledge of course
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Hey they sell them at Walmart you know??
I picked up the Hoppes 30.00 kit, it had a 3 piece brass cleaning rod that spins freely. Comes with about all the brass brushes you'd need for about any caliber as well.
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I like the new rod from Winchester that walmart sells, it's a one piece rod that does rotate and works very well.
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I like the new rod from Winchester that walmart sells, it's a one piece rod that does rotate and works very well.
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I have been looking at that rod, I guess I will have to go get one now that I know someone who has vouched for it.
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I wish I could find this they didn't have a 1 piece rod when I was at my local walmart.
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I use microfiber towels to wipe the exterior of my M&P MOE. For oil I use SLIP 2000 EWL, I seldom need oil as I wipe the excess oil used from the cleaning/lube and that seems to cover everthing pretty well.
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Its out of stock at walmart right now
Walmart.com: Winchester 99701 Rifle Cleaning Rod: Hunting
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Be careful using a steel rod without a bore guide, especially IF you are not experienced or are new to the AR.
Also, Frog Lube is great stuff, superior to conventional chemicals in many ways. Just use a copper solvent occasionally. The non toxic and very effective corrosion protection is fantastic.
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I use that Winchester rod as well. Works great, and under 6 bucks.
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What type of cloth do you use to wipe down the outside of the gun that wont leave any lint on the black finish? I was told to use paste to clean inside of barrel. I guess Frog Lube would be good and what do you all use? Thanks!
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I use a micro-fiber towel with a couple of squirts of Break Free CLP. Micro-fiber = lint free and no scratches. For the Bore I use Smith & Wesson Bore Gel or good old Hoppes #9. As far as cleaning rods go I prefer a solid one piece carbon fiber from Tipton.
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I use the Bore Snake with CLP. Anything wrong with those?
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Absolutely not . I just like the Frog Lube because it is easier on the smell, non toxic and superior rust prevention. It is a CLP too and great around wet environments.
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