Hear is one reason...

Ok, whatever then.

SicSemper...we know what a bomb the 5.56 is....show us your rifle...although...ballistic gel is some expensive stuff..we know what it will do....so show me the gun you shot it with!

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Grover Oathkeeper

AR-15 in a home defense situation... yes? no? That's a very subjective question that turns civil discussions into heated arguments.

... it all depends...in a civilian environment...

What's the length of the AR? A 16" - 20" AR presents challenges moving through the close confines of a typical suburban home. A
SBR works best, but that's another $200 tax stamp I sure as heck don't want to deal with.

What type and weight of projectile are you going to use? What is the construction of the walls in your home? What is the construction
of the exterior walls of your home? How close are your neighbors?

It goes on and on...

IMO, whatever tool you choose to use in a justifiable HD situation make sure to hit center mass. Nothing slows down
a projectile as nicely as the varying density of a criminal's center mass.

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You know what the best HD weapon is? The one you have, know how to use, and can get to when you need it. If you have formulated
your families' or personal defense plan around your rifle, right on. I have no qualms. 5.56/223 is a well documented, very deadly round.

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Thank you so much; most people fly off the hammer when I mention an AR-15 for HD (same song to).

The AR is a great HD weapon, with the right ammo it has less over penetration than most pistol ammo, yet delivers a devastating amount of energy on target.

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I just hate how even gun owner start bashing me, if I I bring it up. Saying how it will go through houses and how it can affect a ruling based on the look a the gun. My dad's
a Fed Judge so I do know that for sure. Why I need so many rounds and over and over again.

Here the rifle I got...

It would be nice without all that tape stuck to it

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Yeah it would.

That has been my experience too about AR's for home defense, and other topics. Some people are unable to perceive any situation from any other context but their own.

I've found that out of all the forums I visit, this forum is one of the most level-headed. The mods do an good job of setting the tone without being overly aggressive.

Nice set up. What's the deal with covering up the roll marks? I can understand blurring out the SN.

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Try using the word "GLOCK" in here from time to time... Sheesh, that really gets 'em going!

Edmo

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I talking real life too.

I like sig the most in hand guns

Oh, here's were I got the gel pic...BALLISTIC GELATIN PERFORMANCE OF SELECTED .223 BARRIER ROUNDS
http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De..._FAQ/index.htm

Love my Glock21...no flak from me.

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I have the 62gr federal fusion loaded up in my "HD" mag.

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You all are going to laugh at me, I have 3 major HD weapons not including my Sport, My favorite is a Hi Point 45acp with a couple of Mags loaded up with the Winchester XTP and a couple loaded up with Ball ammo, My Walther P1 with whatever flavor of 9mm is on sale. and an old Savage SB100 16gauge single shot shotgun with the ammo sleeve on the buttstock loaded up with slugs. I am very proficient with all three and I am happy with the way my wife shoots them also.
I have heard all the stuff about a Hi Point..and if MaxHax hadnt tried to go super slow and not even clear the barrel with his handload he wouldnt have blown up his pistol. For the money it does what it is intended to do and very well, I would like a really nice 1911 or one of the newer semiautos but I am not a fan of 9mm and most of them are out of my price range ( I was soooo lucky to get my sport). Laugh at me if you feel like it but it works. No more defending just wanted to say that before I felt the need to.

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My HD setup is consisted of 2 weapons. S&W 1911 e series "round butt" loaded with Zombie Max. :-) Winchester SX-4 loaded with 00 buck shot with ten in the tube just in case. My primary is my 1911. In my case a long barrel will be not be the best because I cannot creep around the corners or "split the pie" but to each is own. Just my. 02

My HD gun is a Stoeger Coach Gun in 12GA. Kinda wish I had bought a pump, but there is still something about a short side by side 12GA that means business... My AR is on alert 5.

My HD lineup consists of an 870 12 gauge and a Glock 23. Also have a Mossberg 500 20 gauge that the wife and son would grab. The wife also has her S&W model 66 as her handgun of choice.

The AR is not in this line up. Not because I don't think it could be used, just that I do not have the proper ammo for it, and the entire family is not proficient with it. We keep the two shotguns with empty chamber and trigger pulled, so both my wife and son know they just have to pull back on the forearm to put a round in chamber. Keep them this way so that they can grab either shotgun and the manual of arms is the same. No safety or slide release to mess with.

Proficiency with the weapon at hand overrides any thing else. You have two quick shots of 12 gauge at hand, nothing wrong with that at all. With practice, you can have two more in your shooting hand and have a quick reload.

Dang Grover, you have a Sport, Hi Point, and Savage....you just a glutton for punishment?

You know, I have never heard anything negative about hi point from someone who actually owns one (other than they are bulky and ugly). Sounds like a familiar tune.

I have not shot one of the pistols, but a buddy of mine bought one of the .45 carbines for his boy and it is a fun little gun. They mounted a red dot on it and that is the kids hog gun.

I'm not laughing. I've always read that the Hi-Point .45ACP was the good one in their lineup. If it's reliable and center of mass accurate, it's good to go.


I've always wanted one of those. I heard they like 115 - 124 gr FMJ's.

16 gauge slugs are no joke.

That's the most important aspect, being proficient with your firearms.

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I agree, just ask any cowboy action shooter. Those guys know how to load and fire the side by sides extremely fast.

HD lineup:


Glock 19 Gen4, night sights & TLR-4 (light/laser).


Benelli Supernova Tactical 12ga. Nordic Components +2 magazine extension & a Mesa Tactical butt stock shell holder.

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I forgot to mention the wifes winchester 1100 20 guage pump..I also have a Hi Point 9mm Carbine a fun little gun
but my in-laws just outside of Baltimore have it because I didnt like the fact that they didnt have anything for protection
so we spent some range time while we were there last and they also have a range officer as a neighbor who is keeping them proficient!

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My HD shotgun, H&K marked Benelli M1 super 90 with 14" entry barrel.

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If you must wonder; it's a M&P-15A

SicSemper...that is a cool looking quadrail, if you dont mind my asking what brand is that?

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Grover Oathkeeper

Sorry, I have to jump on the HD train and show off....



That being said, my Sport is not far away

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WHAT, that’s a NC star; piece of ****.