M&P Sport and xm855

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Has anyone tried the American Eagle xm855 62 grain green tip ammo in there sport yet?

I shot about 200 rds of the stuff and it keyholes like a moe foe!:mad:
 
That's interesting. It shouldn't. The 1/8 twist should stabilize the 62 grain. I've run some through my Sport and it did about as well as the 55gr.
 
Has anyone tried the American Eagle xm855 62 grain green tip ammo in there sport yet?

I shot about 200 rds of the stuff and it keyholes like a moe foe!:mad:

Most rds keyhold at under 20 yards on to a piece of cardboard.
I cleaned the barrel, removed the flash hider but got the same results again.

After that I fired 42 rds of AE 55 grain xm193 which flew straight worked flawlessly.

But now I have to figure out what i'm going to do with 500 m855s that fly sideways:confused:
 

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I have about 110 rounds left of the 150 that I bought of xm855, It was very inaccurate, I figure it would be ok on a bad guy if he was close enough but not enough accuracy for anything else. When I shot it some keyholed some didnt. From what I understand the steel insert or tungsten or whatever it is, is not centered very well and causes the bullets to tumble or spin wildly. I only shot it at 50 yards and it did hit the paper but my groups were in the vicinity of 8". So I am saving it for an SHTF situation.
 
I still have about 1500 rounds of it, I'm saving for SHTF. At 100 yds. I didn't find it too bad.
 
I have about 110 rounds left of the 150 that I bought of xm855, It was very inaccurate, I figure it would be ok on a bad guy if he was close enough but not enough accuracy for anything else. When I shot it some keyholed some didnt. From what I understand the steel insert or tungsten or whatever it is, is not centered very well and causes the bullets to tumble or spin wildly. I only shot it at 50 yards and it did hit the paper but my groups were in the vicinity of 8". So I am saving it for an SHTF situation.

That sounds logical. Even with the off center mass projectile, I wonder if it would stabilize better out of a 1:7 barrel.

XM855 gives combat accuracy. I'm envisioning an 8" diameter on my chest. Steel core hit that's already partially tumbling before impact? Say hello to the next life.

Grover, you should see if there is an scrap/abandoned car door anywhere. Put that sucker out on the family farm's range, paint a bad guy silhouette on it, and start poking holes in it. :D
 
That sounds logical. Even with the off center mass projectile, I wonder if it would stabilize better out of a 1:7 barrel.
I'd think that if the center mass of the projectile is off then no range of barrel twist is going to matter.

XM855 gives combat accuracy. I'm envisioning an 8" diameter on my chest. Steel core hit that's already partially tumbling before impact? Say hello to the next life.
Wow, YES! haha

Grover, you should see if there is an scrap/abandoned car door anywhere. Put that sucker out on the family farm's range, paint a bad guy silhouette on it, and start poking holes in it. :D
Double yes, with some Tannerite on top!
 
I have about 110 rounds left of the 150 that I bought of xm855, It was very inaccurate, I figure it would be ok on a bad guy if he was close enough but not enough accuracy for anything else. When I shot it some keyholed some didnt. From what I understand the steel insert or tungsten or whatever it is, is not centered very well and causes the bullets to tumble or spin wildly. I only shot it at 50 yards and it did hit the paper but my groups were in the vicinity of 8". So I am saving it for an SHTF situation.


This is pretty much exactly the same thing that I experienced.

So if this is the same round that the military uses what makes their M4s so special to be able to shoot this stuff?
 
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It would be interesting to section some of the bullets and check the concentricity...might be able to check them on a flat and level surface plate by rolling them so many degrees and see if they sit there or find their center of gravity. They should not move at all if they are concentric.
 
I have about 110 rounds left of the 150 that I bought of xm855, It was very inaccurate, I figure it would be ok on a bad guy if he was close enough but not enough accuracy for anything else. When I shot it some keyholed some didnt. From what I understand the steel insert or tungsten or whatever it is, is not centered very well and causes the bullets to tumble or spin wildly. I only shot it at 50 yards and it did hit the paper but my groups were in the vicinity of 8". So I am saving it for an SHTF situation.

Is it reloadable brass after you shoot them ?
 
In the 2 wars we are currently engaged in the XM855 is effective in city environment, may even be a little to much penetration, as it is close quarters. The other war we are engaged in, no 5.56 round will do anything to an insurgent that is 1 mile away in the mountains. I wouldn't recommend you walk in front of any XM855 within 300 yards and just expect to walk away.
 
The brass is totally reloadable.
There have been a few studies by the Army to find a better round than the 855. I am still waiting on my brain to wake up but SOCOM has its own round instead of the M855. I have read a few reports on it.
 
855 was designed to penetrate Soviet body armor. Unless one faces an enemy wearing Soviet body armor, there are much better ammo choices.
 
Face it, if it gets down to having to fire your weapon at someone pointing a weapon at you, would you A) choose a round that penetrates body armor, B) hope their is no body armor and shoot a 193 round and hope for the best. I think we can agree there is no universal round that will do everything. I pick my 855 for self defense and the 193 for plinking target type shooting.
 
I think there is a little confusion here over thinking the commercially available XM855 is the same thing as what the military gets.

The NATO M855 round was designed to penetrate vehicle light metal/steel up to 3 mm thickness at up to 600 meters, not soviet body armor (although it will penetrate). I don't know where the soviet body armor rumor ever got started.

The American Eagle xm855 62 grain green tip is not the same thing as the M855 the military receives and it is not the improved M855A1. Although billed as the military round, the xm855 commercially available that you can buy is not the exact same thing as the military gets and is the M855 military round in name only really.

The M855 comes in three variations:

1. The M855 - 62 grain bullet with a steel penetrator tip over a lead core in a partial copper jacket.
2. The M855 - Lead free 62 grain bullet with a steel penetrator tip over a tungsten composite core in a partial copper jacket.
3. The M855A1 - 62 grain bullet with a 19 grain steel penetrator tip over a copper alloy core.

You can't buy commercially (as a civilian) the real M855 the military receives. The stuff you do see commercially as the xm855 and in the surplus and brownish cardboard boxes and the ammo cans from lake city that you can buy on line and in the LGS's is the stuff thats shoots the maximum 5 MOA (sometimes greater). The military receives the stuff that shoots 4 MOA and under with the average being at 3 MOA. Law enforcement and military can receive hand selected lots from the factory that will do better than 3 MOA. We get hand selected lots from the factory and use it in our M&P15 OR's and routinely shoot 1 MOA with it eaisly. The military doesn't hand select but simply order using the the NSN number which gives them the stuff that shoots 4 MOA and under with the average being at 3 MOA. Sometimes military special ops groups will get hand select but there isn't an NSN number for it and its special order.

I can gurantee you that if it came down to the M855 in capable hands you will not be able to walk away. The M855 will work just fine with 1:7 twist, 1:9 twist, or 1:12 twist, it is not true that you must have a 1:7 twist barrel to stabalize the M855 round.

I agree about not needing 1/7 to stabilize M855. 1/7 is for stabilizing tracers, which are longer than the M855.

First thing I'd do is to target the rifle at 50 or 100 yards just to be certain it is actually keyholing. The yaw in the bullet may just not be stabilized at 20 yards. If the ammo is truly keyholing, the barrel has to be out of spec. Contact S&W about sending the rifle back in to check it out.
 
855 was designed to penetrate Soviet body armor. Unless one faces an enemy wearing Soviet body armor, there are much better ammo choices.

So if I get attacked by the U.S army they will just all miss and I will be able to walk away?:confused:

The colt M4 uses a 1/7 twist right?

I think there is a little confusion here over thinking the commercially available XM855 is the same thing as what the military gets.

The military NATO M855 round was designed to penetrate vehicle light metal/steel up to 3 mm thickness at up to 600 meters, not soviet body armor (although it will penetrate). I don't know where the soviet body armor rumor ever got started.

The American Eagle xm855 62 grain green tip is not the same thing as the M855 the military receives and it is not the improved M855A1. No commercially available XM855 is the same thing the military will have received. Although billed, or thought of, as the military round, the XM855 commercially available that you can buy is not the exact same thing as the military gets no matter how its billed even if from lake city its self.

The military M855 comes in three variations:

1. The M855 - 62 grain bullet with a steel penetrator tip over a lead core in a partial copper jacket.
2. The M855 - Lead free 62 grain bullet with a steel penetrator tip over a tungsten composite core in a partial copper jacket.
3. The M855A1 - 62 grain bullet with a 19 grain steel penetrator tip over a copper alloy core.

You can't buy commercially the real M855 the military receives. The stuff you do see commercially as the xm855 and in the surplus and brownish cardboard boxes and the ammo cans from lake city that you can buy on line and in the LGS's is the stuff thats shoots the maximum 5 MOA (sometimes greater and sometimes less) and generally has been rejected for military use for any number of reasons and/or has not been subjected to testing for military purposes. The military receives the stuff that shoots 4 MOA and under with the average being at 3 MOA (a lot of times though the average is better than 3 MOA). The stuff you buy commercially can still have a NATO headstamp, this only indicates that it was originally destined for military service from production but was rejected for military service for any number of reasons (more frequently its rejected due to accuracy), but if you are buying it commercially no matter how its marked it is still not the ammo the military will have received as it was rejected for military service which is why its available commercially. Ammo rejected for military service is sold commercially so there will not be a monetary loss to the manufacturer. So, although XM855 may be billed as the military ammo and available commercially, and even packaged and marked the same in some cases and even if does come straight from lake city, its only the same ammo in name and not what the military is actually using because if it was actual military ammo you would not be able to buy it commercially. If you do find the actual stuff and able to buy it commercially then its probably stolen ammo because the actual stuff can only be shipped to military/government/law enforcement agencies and not to a retail outlets or other commercial sales places such as the on line retailers or LGS's. Law enforcement and military can receive hand selected lots from the factory that will do better than 3 MOA but its not mass produced like the regular military M855 is. We get hand selected lots from the factory and use it in our M&P15 OR's and routinely shoot 1 MOA with it eaisly. The military doesn't hand select but simply orders using the NSN number which gives them the stuff that shoots 4 MOA and under with the average being at 3 MOA. Sometimes military special ops groups will get hand select but there isn't an NSN number for it and its special order.

I can gurantee you that if it came down to the M855 in capable hands you will not be able to walk away. The M855 will work just fine with 1:7 twist, 1:9 twist, or 1:12 twist, it is not true that you must have a 1:7 twist barrel to stabalize the M855 round.
 
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So if I get attacked by the U.S army they will just all miss and I will be able to walk away?:confused:

The colt M4 uses a 1/7 twist right?


What I'm saying is that there is a difference between target/bullseye accuracy for sport on a one-way range & combat accuracy where it's a matter of putting down a bad guy on a two-way range.

If I'm sniping P-Dogs or punching paper @ 200 to 300 yards, then I need a round that will suit that purpose.

If I'm trying to take down a BG from 0 to 100 yards, 8" groups are just fine. I'll sacrifice bullseye accuracy for the capability to penetrate soft body armor. Not only will they hit, they're already unstable going in, tumbling, causing more trauma.
 
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