I BOUGHT THE STRAIGHT 3X ON A WHIM, VIA EBAY. IT WAS REALLY CHEAP. I SHOULD SAY INEXPENSIVE. BECAUSE IT'S NOT CHEAPLY MADE. IT'S REALLY QUITE NICE. SERVES IT'S PURPOSE WELL. HOLDS ZERO, FAST ON TARGET, FAIRLY SMALL, CLEAR OPTICS . I PAID $75 DELIVERED. WORTH EVERY PENNY. JP

With that mount, if he turns it around, it will be much too far away for proper eye relief.

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I was thinking the same thing, every time I see that mount it's reversed from above. But, that scope has so little room on the tubes it might not work the other way around very well either...

EDIT - Oops, already mentioned. Guess I should read to the end of the thread first lol...

What is the make of that mount?

For all my scopes, even if the rear sight were removed I don't think I could position it right.

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Chuchaco, what kind of accuracy are you talking about. I don't think a 15 sport will shoot one hole at 200 yards, but there are plenty of rifles that will. If you get the accuracy bug and really go after it, the 4X12 is not enough. You have to be able to see your bullet hole in the target at 200 yards, or else walk yourself to death looking to see where you are hitting. It would drastically limit your learning how to dope the wind. A serious trigger upgrade is just as important as a good scope. Figure on a good rest. Are you a reloader? If not that fact will be somewhat limiting too. Every rifle has a sweet load that is more accurate. Ya just find out what it is. These few items are just a start. If you really want to go after accuracy, good for you. It is a great challenge. Good luck to ya.

The OP may not respond to this as he started it almost two years ago.

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I think UTG was mentioned, but it's an extended eye relief design (most extreme) made by a lot of manufactures.

I'm not sure what the idea is behind that Nikon 3x. For a 3x fixed scope, I'd get a compact designed for an AR platform with an incorporated mount like the Burris AR332 or PA CQB. I googled that particular Nikon for Internet pics and saw other odd mounting solutions so it appears that folks struggle with it or maybe they give away these mounts with the scope? Simple rings or a riser and low rings would seem like the easy route... In any event I think you and 78Staff are right that it's not going to work as designed.

The P-223 with the P-series mounts work great...I used it like in the second picture above. The issue I ran into was that I have a brass catcher that has a attachment point that clamps around the barrel nut D-ring. If I were to want to remove the Nikon and use iron's, I was no longer able to run it forward on the top rail as that clamp blocked the path. The only way would have been to remove the MBUS sight, slide the Nikon off to the rear, then reattach the MBUS sight....now where were those allen wrenches...just wasn't realistic.

The UTG M1S35070R2 mount fits the P-223 perfect and is a great alternative to the P-series mounts from Nikon. The issue here comes in that the UTG mount with it's off-set won't clear the MBUS rear sight. In steps a 1/2" Truglo riser to provide it just enough clearance to work. That little bit of rise also feels more natural to me when bringing it up to my cheek. I have my stock extended fully and have 3" of eye relief along with a full sight picture within the scope. Turning the mount so it's off-set is forward pushes this short scope way too far forward...been there...tried it.

So is there any consensus on quick release mounts. Someone mentioned Larue, but said too costly, but I didn't see another solution yet mentioned. Is there one?

Solution for..... Range toy for plinking? High precision work and/or dependability?

If it's the later... American Defense and Bobro make good mounts too. If its just a range toy for plinking then whatever dime store mount will work fine a couple times before the lever mechanism breaks or requires adjustment.

I use a Primary Arms MicroDot with lever mount on my 15-22. Worthless. I just use the side screw nut and leave the lever in place.

This is the problem with optics, there are no cheap solutions. If you want quality, it'll cost you.

Sure, there are plenty of low cost parts/optics. If you go that route, you'll have to be satisfied with poor performance. That's just the truth of it. If >2MOA accuracy is fine with you, then just about any mount or optic will work. However, if you care about accuracy, it'll take a few more dollars.


Honestly, I don't understand QD mounts at any price level. This is not directed toward jbinbi. I'm just curious, who uses them? I mean, once I mount a scope, unless it breaks, it's on there forever. In the unlikely event I'd have to take it off, it's only a few turns of a screw driver or wrench. So, does anyone have a reason to have a QD mount?

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Your 1x red dot optic takes a hit or otherwise can't see through it. Now your irons don't work cuz they cowitness... bad time to be looking around for a wrench in the middle of a fight. Flip that lever and you are back in the fight. That's why they call em BUIS. Same for a magnified optic and why it's useful to keep a flip rear sight mounted under the eyepiece. Ease of removal for cleaning purposes or swapping optics around all the time I think it's highly overrated but I guess is probably the notion most guys have in their head when thinking about lever mounts.

When LaRue is an option... there are no other options.

Same here, I was surprised how bad the mount was, considering the high reviews the PA units normally get. Sure it's only on my 15-22, but I'm not thrilled with it at all.

I have the Aimpoint QR mount on my Micro T1, and it's a good, serviceable mount. I'm suspect the Larue is better, since so many people upgrade to it. I may down the road as well, as even the Aimpoint throw lever seems a bit flexy.

I have the M223 mount that came with the scope, and it works, of course, but am looking for a QD option. I suppose at some point I will have to bite the bullet and pick up the Micro and Scope mounts from Larue...

I know it's an old thread, but in case anyone was looking at Nikon scopes, Midway has the M-223 3x12-42 with side focus at 100 bucks off either model, Nikoplex or BDC.

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Yup... did the same thing. Bought the H1 from LaRue and they include your choice of mount in the price.

I think some guys just report good things because they own it. If something doesn't work... I say call it the way it is. "Worthless" was the first thing I thought of when trying to describe the PA lever mount.

I have the T1 already, bought it from LGS as a combo with the Aimpoint brand QD. The Larue Micro mount cost isn't to bad, but the scope mount...cha-ching!

Here is the promo M-223 mount for comparison - seems to get decent reviews in general... basically similar to the P-223 mount except one-piece. Three screw mount to rail, so not QD of course. But you almost need three hands to install it, so not a great choice for swapping at the range, for instance.

LaRue scope mounts are pricey...

It's all nuts... I got a Badger Ordnance base and rings for my Rem 700. Wife sees the charge card... I try to explain.. But honey you don't understand, the rings are sequentially numbered!

If I were going to swap back and forth between a red dot and a scope, then I'd want a QD mount. But, if you're going to do that, you'd better get the good one because your zero will always be off.

EOTech claims a 1MOA repeatability with their mounts. That's fine for CQB. Anything longer and you'll need a really good QD mount to ensure repeatability.


The idea of having a QD mount for quick removal in the event of failure is a good one. However, most of us aren't in that game so, I hadn't considered that possibility.

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And, here is the cheaper UTG/Leapers QD mount. Not a permanent deal, but mortgage payment trumps Larue, at least this month . There are several things I already don't like about the UTG, but I knew that going in. Due to the design, it's mounted a bit further forward than I would normally perefer, but eye relief seems OK. The QD levers don't feel terribly solid, and there is very little room between rings (this is the real issue - a little more distance between rings would allow more mounting fleibility.) The base length/offset is off a bit for my application, but at least I will know for sure which Larue to order now lol... It also *barely* clears the Magpul Pro's, so certainly would not clear the Polymers or Troys, for instance.

Why not just remove the rear back up sight and move the whole rig back about two positions? This would put it in the perfect spot. It's not like you can use that sight anyway...

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Not a bad idea - I could, but the reality is the scope will spend very little time on the rifle tbh - the Micro will be mounted 80-90% of the time. I just picked up the M223 since it was on sale, for some occasional longer range shooting. It will ride the the scope bag most of the time .

Well I did figure out how to fix the UTG mount... Here's my solution...



Seriously though, The UTG was just a cheap, flimsy mount. The lockdown levers aren't secure at all. The tube clamps are so close to the turrets you can't easily see the set point indicator, and the whole thing is just overly finicky. Two of the screws were galling right out of the box. Wasn't worth the trouble. Another reason I love Amazon Prime, this will be going back with no fuss. I'll just use the M-223 mount until I can swing the Larue.

It's called Murphy's Law (What can go wrong,will go wrong). If you scope takes a dump and you need your BUIS right now,flipping a lever on a QD is a LOT faster than fumbling around looking for a screw driver and trying to fumble around trying to un-screw a couple mounts.

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thrown my 2cents as well, go for a redfield revenge 3-9X40 better scope.

With the great weather this weekend, I made it out to the range today to get my flip up sights adjusted as well as get the P-223 adjusted after mounting it on the UTG QD mount. The picture below has 30 rounds punched in it. I started out by putting 15 on it, then I removed the Nikon and sighted in the flip up sights on another target. Once I was done there, I locked the Nikon back on and put 15 more on this target. Couldn't tell the difference...so I'd say the return to zero question has been answered.

I'm very happy with the outcome. I've only put 90 rounds down range so far on it but the mount itself seems very solid and the QD levers adjusted for a nice tight fit. Time will tell as to how well the mount holds up, but so far I see no reason to believe it won't hold up fine.

thanks for the experiment and post of outcome. Please keep us informed of how the mount holds on the zero. Sounds very promising. PS. Nice grouping!

That one filthy rifle is mine, yes, lots of use that day. I have seen guy's mounting Nikon's P-Series 2 piece mounts all sorts of different ways and they are all correct. This mount has no MOA built into it like the M-223 XR 1 piece mount so there is really no wrong way to use it. The P-223 3X is a very compact scope and needs the mounting flexibility of a 2 piece mount to get it into the correct position.
When using any mount and a Nikon scope that has a BDC reticle make sure you measue the distance mid barrel to mid scope and enter that info into the Spot On Program. This will give you increased accuracy for those longrange shots.

Here's another pic of the Nikon P-223 3X Carbine scope and the P-Series AR Mount.

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...X/DSC_0215.jpg

Picked up a Larue mount for the T1, so moved the Aimpoint Throw lever over to the PA. Worlds better than the **** QD mount the PA came with .




Hellz yeah, also grabbed the LT-104 for scope mount as well for the AR. Wound up returning the M223 above and pickup up the $159 promo P223 instead, which should be fine for as little as I plan on actually using a scope, at least on this rifle.