dcxplant
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Trying to decide if the ACOG is worth saving for, or buying the less expensive EOTech.
ACOG or EOTech?
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JJEH
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You want to buy the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists?
Seriously, what is the main purpose of your rifle? Target? Hunting?
But in general, I would go with EoTech every day. Affordable, reliable and combat proven.
Seriously, what is the main purpose of your rifle? Target? Hunting?
But in general, I would go with EoTech every day. Affordable, reliable and combat proven.
Waywatcher
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I vote Aimpoint.
Utterly simple reticle, battery life of 3-5 years when left on, and military tough.
Utterly simple reticle, battery life of 3-5 years when left on, and military tough.
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dcxplant
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wow. thanks folks.
Purpose is general purpose; plinking, protection/emergency rifle. No farther than 200yds/meters.
No hunting.
I like the magnification of the ACOG, I like reticle in it too.
I like the simplicity of the EOTech, but what is it like to shoot at 200meters?
Purpose is general purpose; plinking, protection/emergency rifle. No farther than 200yds/meters.
No hunting.
I like the magnification of the ACOG, I like reticle in it too.
I like the simplicity of the EOTech, but what is it like to shoot at 200meters?
CatSnipah
Member
Eotech with a 3x multiplier. Primary Arms has been running combo deals lately with one of their multipliers free with an Eotech.
CatSnipah
Member
Also, if you prefer tube types, try Aimpoint. If you prefer open type, go Eotech.
Either way, you don't go wrong, and can get a 3 or 4x multiplier that works with either.
Either way, you don't go wrong, and can get a 3 or 4x multiplier that works with either.
Acog, Eo Tech, aimpoint
I run all three, depending on what I am wanting to do with the rifle / carbine. I run the EO 552, the aimpoint micro T-1 and the ACOG 4X, all of them mounted on throw lever bases. If I am working beyond 100 yds, I run the ACOG, if I am doing CQB trng, such as clearing rooms, building entries, etc...I run the micro or the 552 - my 552 is NV compatable and I have run it with a PVS 14 for night op's....they are all excellent optics....just depends on what range you are wanting to work at & your intended purpose.....I have also used the ACOG with a side or angle mounted red dot.....so you have the best of both worlds. You can't go wrong with any of these....battle proven...good shooting.
I run all three, depending on what I am wanting to do with the rifle / carbine. I run the EO 552, the aimpoint micro T-1 and the ACOG 4X, all of them mounted on throw lever bases. If I am working beyond 100 yds, I run the ACOG, if I am doing CQB trng, such as clearing rooms, building entries, etc...I run the micro or the 552 - my 552 is NV compatable and I have run it with a PVS 14 for night op's....they are all excellent optics....just depends on what range you are wanting to work at & your intended purpose.....I have also used the ACOG with a side or angle mounted red dot.....so you have the best of both worlds. You can't go wrong with any of these....battle proven...good shooting.
dullh
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I vote for the Aimpoint PRO. That's what I have and love it.
No experience with the others so can't say.
No experience with the others so can't say.
My AR sports an ACOG TA31F and it's a wonderful thing! Pricey, but accurate, tough and never needs batteries. Chevron reticle, and calibrated for a 5.56 flattop. It also has some basic range finding features and is calibrated out to 800 yards. Throw in the Bindon aiming concept feature and it really is quite a package. Not as fast as a dot though at close ranges.
Murdock
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I have an EOTECH 552, a 512, and an ACOG 4x with the piggyback Docter red dot. All of my optics have throw levers for quick change.
When first deciding on optics, I went round and round about EOTECH v. Aimpoint. Aimpoint's only advantage seems to be long battery life.
I finally decided on EOTECH after speaking with my nephews, who at the time were both active-duty SEALs with sandbox experience. (Pretty cool, huh? Two guys in the same family who are SEALs. Hooah!
). They said that the guys in the Teams liked the EOTECH, and that was good enough for me.
I bought the ACOG with Docter red dot before going to Thunder Ranch for Defensive Carbine. Used the EOTECH for the entire time. (Only one target was past 100 yards/meters). I have the dedicated 552 on the 5.56mm upper and the 512 on the CMMG .22LR upper.
One cool thing Clint taught me about the EOTECH during CQB training in the Terminator: if you place the red dot of the EOTECH reticule even with the top of the head of the silhouette, the round will go center mass of the target's head.
I like the ACOG, but it doesn't get used much, as almost all of my carbine use/training is less than 100 yards. (Note: Loc n load's post above is consistent with my own experience). The piggyback red dot on the ACOG is overkill; the Bindon aiming concept works well enough, I think, and for really close stuff (bad breath to two arms' length distance) point and shoot per Rob Pincus and forget the sights.
In closing, optics are fun and useful, but iron sights still do fine work. I would buy a dedicated .22LR upper or good rimfire conversion unit before I bought my first optic.
When first deciding on optics, I went round and round about EOTECH v. Aimpoint. Aimpoint's only advantage seems to be long battery life.
I finally decided on EOTECH after speaking with my nephews, who at the time were both active-duty SEALs with sandbox experience. (Pretty cool, huh? Two guys in the same family who are SEALs. Hooah!
). They said that the guys in the Teams liked the EOTECH, and that was good enough for me.I bought the ACOG with Docter red dot before going to Thunder Ranch for Defensive Carbine. Used the EOTECH for the entire time. (Only one target was past 100 yards/meters). I have the dedicated 552 on the 5.56mm upper and the 512 on the CMMG .22LR upper.
One cool thing Clint taught me about the EOTECH during CQB training in the Terminator: if you place the red dot of the EOTECH reticule even with the top of the head of the silhouette, the round will go center mass of the target's head.
I like the ACOG, but it doesn't get used much, as almost all of my carbine use/training is less than 100 yards. (Note: Loc n load's post above is consistent with my own experience). The piggyback red dot on the ACOG is overkill; the Bindon aiming concept works well enough, I think, and for really close stuff (bad breath to two arms' length distance) point and shoot per Rob Pincus and forget the sights.
In closing, optics are fun and useful, but iron sights still do fine work. I would buy a dedicated .22LR upper or good rimfire conversion unit before I bought my first optic.
arizona98tj
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Owning both an ACOG and an EOTech, I would question the comment regarding the reliability of the EOTech, especially when compared to the ACOG. There is no way that a battery operated device is as reliable as an ACOG, which runs on sunlight during the day and radioactive decay the rest of the time.
Just sayin'.....
That being said, I run an ACOG on my M&P-15 and an EOTech on my FNH 12 gauge autoloader. I've trained with the shotgun out to 200 yds with the EOTech and the rifle out to 400 yards with the ACOG.
JJEH
Member
I see that a little bit different than you. The lifespan of a battery might be not as great as the other option you have mentioned. But that's not called reliability. As long as the battery is good it runs very well reliable. If you run out of it you better have back up sights mounted.
The EoTech 556 for instance (of course they vary from model to model) is advertised with 1,100 continuous hours.
I don't know if you are going to the field for 6 month. But as long as you take care of your equipment I don't see that it is less reliable. Of course, you want to have a spare battery with you.
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arizona98tj
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Let's get past the battery. There is more to making an EOTech or similar device work than just a fresh battery. Electronics can and do fail.
Don't get me wrong....I really like EOTech's and recommend them regularly to others. As I said, I run an XPS2 on my shotgun. But devices with electronics in them are not as reliable. And you are correct....having backup sights is a smart thing when using an electronic sighting system.
A sighting system with electronics in it is not as reliable as one without. I guess we can agree to disagree. Thanks for the friendly exchange.
Don't get me wrong....I really like EOTech's and recommend them regularly to others. As I said, I run an XPS2 on my shotgun. But devices with electronics in them are not as reliable. And you are correct....having backup sights is a smart thing when using an electronic sighting system.
A sighting system with electronics in it is not as reliable as one without. I guess we can agree to disagree. Thanks for the friendly exchange.
Electronics, batteries, etc...
I posted above in #9 in re to my own choices....yes batteries can be a potentially weak point..also with tactical lights, lasers, comm gear and night vision gear...but it is to me a non issue.... as noted I run all of my optics with throw lever bases- so if need be I can strip them off the gun in a heartbeat and all of my serious AR's have serious back up sights......and I also keep a log book with each of my "work guns" that record how often I use them, amt of rds fired, etc...I also have a section in those logs for any electronic gear that is being used with platform that records battery installation/change dates........as a matter of SOP I replace batteries periodically, whether they need it or not....takes the guess work out of it. I shoot AR's and AK's a lot as part of my instructor work, and I have never had an EO or an aimpoint "fold up" because of a battery issue. And if it did, it would be my fault for not maintaining it properly....not the device.
I posted above in #9 in re to my own choices....yes batteries can be a potentially weak point..also with tactical lights, lasers, comm gear and night vision gear...but it is to me a non issue.... as noted I run all of my optics with throw lever bases- so if need be I can strip them off the gun in a heartbeat and all of my serious AR's have serious back up sights......and I also keep a log book with each of my "work guns" that record how often I use them, amt of rds fired, etc...I also have a section in those logs for any electronic gear that is being used with platform that records battery installation/change dates........as a matter of SOP I replace batteries periodically, whether they need it or not....takes the guess work out of it. I shoot AR's and AK's a lot as part of my instructor work, and I have never had an EO or an aimpoint "fold up" because of a battery issue. And if it did, it would be my fault for not maintaining it properly....not the device.
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spclayne
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I run a TA31F ACOG myself, red chevron. Might as well buy the best, and only buy once instead of chasing the cheaper and less quality gear. Everyone has a price range though, so if you can afford an ACOG get one.
I'd definitely go look at both though. I had tremendous issues with the EOtech reticle (astigmatism I suppose) but no issues with the Aimpoint H-1 Red Dot. Go look for yourself for sure before buying, but I love everything about the H-1 and my Trijicon TA11
Look at the Ta-44sg-10, its kinda a compromise between both the acog and aimpoint/eotech, 1.5 magnification but with Trijicon fiber optic reticle so best of both worlds have not heard a bad thing about it yet, when I can scrape together 900 dollars Im buying it
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