Hi guys and gals, new to the forum, about to get my first AR15, researched a lot, and picked the MP15 Sport 2 after a lot of looking all over the place.
I looked here with a number of searches, and looked at a bunch of sellers' sites, but couldn't find info on a regular S&W design "A2 front sight/gas block"(?) without a bayonet lug. As a Joisey guy, (I know, I know, but for now I'm stuck here) it's one of those "evil" features here, and frankly I doubt I'd need it, so I'm looking to get what is closest to the regular one as possible. One less nasty feature to deal with, leaving me a little more options elsewhere.
I went back thru the postings here to Jan. 2016 and didn't find it either, so instead of spending hours more looking as I already have, it's time to ask: Where can I get a "standard" A2 front sight for my S&W that doesn't have this "scary" protrusion?
Oh, yeah, S&W's website doesn't mention the diameter of the barrel either, (I think I read HERE somewhere that it's .750,,,,,)at least not that I saw. And they don't SEEM to have such parts on there either.
I just know from the reading I have already done here that this is the right place to ask, and I think I'll be spending way more time here than my wife will like.

Thanks in advance, Y'all!

Welcome to the addiction, and the forum. This is probably one of the cheaper options, but there are others if you search around.

Del-Ton, Inc. AR-15 Front Sight Base, Post-Ban
Del ton Rifle Kits & Del ton AR 15 Rifles | Gun Supplies & Gun Accessories from Del-ton, Inc.

You are correct that the diameter is 0.750"

This is the model you are looking for...

M&P(R)15 Sport™ II Compliant NJ | Smith & Wesson

Hugger, thanks, but that link seems to show one with the bayonet lug. Post ban and pre ban seem to be the same pic, and it says it requires drilling. I'm not sure just what part needs to be drilled, and I AM capable of doing so even with my drill press if need be, but it seems like another step that ought not to be needed. I'm hoping to find one like in the pic Cyphertext linked to.
I appreciate the fast response, and still hope for more.

Cyphertext, that's the sight I'm after, but separate from the entire firearm.
Ordering the Jersey specific one:
1. costs substantially more.
2. loses me any option on the barrel tip. I want to use a compensater/flash forward device, even if it has to be pinned.
3. I don't care for the included stock. If I want to change to another, I'd rather have to pin the new one without having to work to remove one that is already pinned.
4. I mistakenly (prematurely?) bought the 10202 model before I came up with the idea of skipping the bayonet lug, and the price I got it for was too good to pass up on. Below $400 smackeroos, and from a vendor who was happy to swap out the 30 round mag for a 15 round one. And a soft case! (plus shipping, tho, $35.00)
Cyphertext, have you noticed anyplace that sells the same front sight that is on the jersey compliant model? I find it odd that it doesn't seem to be an easy find. Or maybe I'm just not using the right search words?
Sorry if this rambled on too much,,,,,,,,,,

Ah, so you already have the rifle.... In that case, Del-Ton, Inc. AR-15 Front Sight Base, Post-Ban

An easier solution would be to just cut the lug off of your rifle.

You must be looking in all the wrong places. I have bought both of my Sports in NJ, they are compliant. Both have the A2 front sight. One I bought from Cheyenne Mountain, and another I found when I went on a NJ Gun forum and they had at least 20 vendors that you filled out a quick form and the Vendors emailed you back within a day. Prices are not different from other states.

"You must be looking in all the wrong places."
Rtquig, wasn't there a song almost like that? Looking for love in all the wrong places, I think. :-)
You are right, I must not have been searching where you managed to find it. The bulk of where I saw prices the NJ Compliant model was noticeably more. Combine that with the other points, like the pinned stock, and I thought the best way to do it was to modify a standard model one. I just imagined that if S&W sold the NJ model with that A2 sight, I would be able to find the same sight somewhere. If I can't, and if I don't find another that I like, then maybe snipping off the lug would be my best option. I don't really care for what I can see of the Del-Ton one, it doesn't even have decent pics on their website, nor too much info about what drilling is needed.
I'll look into it a bit more, maybe there are some reviews on it.
I appreciate you taking the time to show your views on this, even if they don't mesh perfectly with mine. Opinions, like the AR15, are supposed to vary, right? Every comment from anyone is info to ponder,,,,,,,,

"An easier solution would be to just cut the lug off of your rifle."
Cyber, you might be right. The Del-Ton one doesn't look like a quality piece, maybe I can find another that suits my oddball tastes. If not, then it'll be time to break out the Sawzall and the orbital sander.
I wonder if it would be worth it to try to reach out to S&W to ask about getting theirs. I don't see a website link in theirs to a parts place, but who knows.
Have people here had good dealings with S&W customer service? Guess it's time for more searching here for a thread like that!

M&P(R)15 Sport™ II Compliant NJ | Smith & Wesson

Here is the link to the NJ compliant model. Forget the price on the website, you can't get it for less than that.

You can't legally have a model in NJ with the lug. You can't bring one into the state and grind it off as it is illegal to have.

I sent you a PM that will help you with what you are looking for.

Got it and responded, thanks a bunch!

No problem, I hope it helps.

Truth be told, that Del-ton assembly is quite possibly the same assembly that S&W uses. The drilling that is needed is for the taper pins to hold it on... and you will either have to line them up with the slots that are already drilled into your barrel, or drill new slots in your barrel too... the front sight base and barrel are typically drilled at the same time so that they line up.

But sounds like you are going to back up and order the NJ compliant one... best move.

I have a Del-ton upper receiver I used in a build. Compared side by side with my M&P 15 and I cannot tell the difference. Fit and finish is exactly the same. They both have Anchor Harvey forge marks. So yup... They are the same upper receivers, however they have different barrels and parts kits.

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Cyphertext, If it were not too late, I'd consider going the Jersey compliant route, but the rifle has already been shipped to my FFL. He will be pinning and so on, I just wanted to have him pin my choices rather than what is a stock Jersey unit.
The drilling of the tapered pin holes is likely to be a hassle, as I will have to track down the proper drill bits, for a one or two time use.

Luger 9X19, if the Del-Ton IS the same, I suppose it ought to be all right for me to go that route. Like I mentioned above, it's the drilling perfectly aligned holes for tapered pins that is going to be a bit of a hassle. I had the unfortunate impression that stock parts would be built identically, and that these would be pre-bored enmasse in some jig as so many other things are. My drill press, while ollllld, does still hold the bits straight, but sheesh, it oughta be easier to get the part from S&W already done.

Hmm, someplace I read about someone using allen screws to hold a sight in place,,,,,,,,,,,,

Moving outta New Jerksy is looking better every day.

Why don't you just cut off the bayonet lug with a dremel cut-off wheel and be done with that problem?

Wait... I'm confused. According to rtquig, a rifle with those features can not even be brought into the state. If that is true, where ever you purchased it from should not have shipped it, and the FFL shouldn't have accepted it. But, if it did get shipped in, and you are going to have a gunsmith pin the stock, just have the gunsmith grind the bayonet lug off!

Cyphertext mentioned cutting lug off a bit back, and it is a possible last ditch solution. But I have plans that involve removing the barrel from the rest of the action, requiring the sight to come off anyway, as well as the "compensator not flash hider", so I was hoping to just swap out the sight. There's also the finishing of that cutoff area, which I haven't yet looked into,,,,,

Yes, I could have him cut off the lug, but he's already got a number of other places where he has fees to add on for me, I was looking to TRY to do the things I know full well how to manage on my own. My labor charges to myself are considerably lower than his will be. He's pinning the stock, pinning the compensator, handling several transfer fees,,,,,,,,I'm having him take in a few (4) other items at once to try to only need one NICS check too.

Looks like this lower cost non-compliant model could end up costing you just as much! Good luck!

I don't know what's up with the link, but if you go to "barrel parts" and look up Product Code: BP1035., this is the part I was referring to. This pic is not correct and does show the standard A2, but this is the one that does not have the lug.

BP1035, thanx, I'll check it out. Appreciate you taking the extra time to dig that up, really.

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I shore 'nuff hope not!

The FFL can get it shipped to him and then made compliant. As a resident we couldn't get it shipped directly to us and do the work. Maybe I wasn't clear when first posted. I was thinking if you went to Pa. and brought home a non compliant rifle thinking you would just cut off the lug yourself, that would be illegal.

But the FFL can't transfer the rifle to him if it is not compliant, correct? So he will have to pay to have the rifle made to be compliant... he can't do it himself, right?

rtquig, and cyphertext, If you are correct, and I believe you easily could be, here has been my plan to deal with this, as I also was a bit concerned about this same issue.
I have been planning all along to ask the gent to let me take possession of all BUT the lower receiver while I do what mods I can, and leave the rest to him afterwards(pinning etc.). It's my contention(interpretation of the laws) that without the lower receiver it's just some random parts, negating laws of certain "forbidden" features. Since for now, laws in Jerksey let you have at least one of these on a "FIREARM", I figure this allows me to take these parts home to do as I see fit. After all, I don't HAVE an AR, I have parts.
I don't know if the FFL will accept this reasoning, but if he's reasonable, he might look at the intent/spirit of the law and the technical aspect more than the anti-gun sentiment behind said laws.
You fellows have any thoughts on this? I like very much that you guys find this interesting enough to keep commenting on it, and I appreciate it.

Correct. He can't receive a non complaint and do the work himself unless he is an FFL.

I'm teaching class right now, will tell you more later about he state police site that explains what features you can have now. Coming legislation will change that for the worse.

I doubt the FFL will do that and here is why.... He has to enter it in his bound book when it comes in, and his choices are Handgun, Long Gun (rifles or shotguns), Other Firearm (frame, receiver, etc.).

So it came to him as a long gun, and is on his books as a long gun. I am assuming that if he received an ATF visit and they checked his log, he would need to be able to show them a long gun, not just the lower.

I could be wrong, never hurts to ask... but that is my gut feeling.

Evan Nappen did a bit of informing us on some of what Mr. Murphy has going on at one of his latest seminars I attended. I shudder at the very thought.

This gent is also a police officer, and in my previous dealings with him, he seemed reasonable. I'm hopeful that he sees the sense in what I am asking. Wouldn't be the first time an officer used their own discretion in dealing with some technical violations. As long as I ask in the right manner, I have a shot.
Grandpa told me as a young'un "They can't say yes if you don't ask."

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The following are prohibited: Semi-automatic rifles that are capable of receiving a detachable magazine and has at least two of the following features: 1. Folding / telescoping stock 2. Pistol grip 3. Bayonet lug 4. Flash suppressor 5. Threaded barrel 6. Grenade launcher

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Rtquig, thanks for the info!
So Buds has a policy of not shipping forbidden features to the places they are forbidden, can't say I blame them, they have to be careful of the laws as well as anyone, or more so.
Thing is, if I were to prefer a certain one of the listed ones, and not more than allowed, shouldn't it be my choice which to have? If I REALLY REALLY wanted the grenade launcher and no other feature, can I get it from them? Yeah, I know it is absurd to want the grenade feature, but then so are all these laws that are meant to protect us. And the pending ones even more so.

I would go to the suggested NJ site and contact a vendor there. That's how I got my last Sport.

Will look into that, thanx. PM sent, btw.