Smith & Wesson Forum

Advertise With Us Search
Go Back   Smith & Wesson Forum > Smith & Wesson Rifles and Shotguns > Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles

Notices

Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles Dedicated to the Smith & Wesson M&P-15 Rifles


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-07-2021, 11:07 AM
VictorLouis's Avatar
VictorLouis VictorLouis is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 2,058
Likes: 108
Liked 2,125 Times in 968 Posts
Default Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version?

I took a chance on a used FRanken-AR at an LGS yesterday. Receiver clearly M&P. However, when I said that Smith didn't make a middy, the clerk said that they had done so in the past. Is there anything on an upper that would indicate it as a Smith?
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #2  
Old 07-07-2021, 11:52 AM
Brutis Brutis is offline
Member
Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version?  
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Virginia
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Liked 88 Times in 15 Posts
Default Smith

I have a m&p15 that's a mid length. It's a magpul moe mid length version. Reciver is co branded smith and magpul. Not sure if this helps or if they make others.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-07-2021, 03:40 PM
jkasch's Avatar
jkasch jkasch is offline
Member
Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version?  
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 140
Likes: 71
Liked 99 Times in 38 Posts
Default

I also have a S&W Mid-Moe. Great gun. I quickly browsed Smith's current web page and didn't see it listed any longer. However, the 15T II is still available and is a mid-length.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-07-2021, 04:35 PM
Engine49guy's Avatar
Engine49guy Engine49guy is offline
Member
Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version?  
Join Date: May 2009
Location: South Florida
Posts: 7,785
Likes: 2,487
Liked 8,326 Times in 2,922 Posts
Default

IMO the mid length is much better than the carbine for the following reasons:
1) The Longer sight radius = better sighting.
2) The longer gas tube = higher velocity in same length barrel.
3) Can correctly mount a GI bayonet.
4) longer hanguard provides for better handling or more area for rail mounted devices.
Reply With Quote
The Following User Likes This Post:
  #5  
Old 07-07-2021, 05:19 PM
SchemaEnigma's Avatar
SchemaEnigma SchemaEnigma is offline
Member
Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version?  
Join Date: Feb 2021
Location: Minnesota, USA
Posts: 255
Likes: 77
Liked 305 Times in 127 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Engine49guy View Post
IMO the mid length is much better than the carbine for the following reasons:
1) The Longer sight radius = better sighting.
2) The longer gas tube = higher velocity in same length barrel.
3) Can correctly mount a GI bayonet.
4) longer hanguard provides for better handling or more area for rail mounted devices.
#3 is really high on my list, too.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-07-2021, 06:31 PM
WR Moore WR Moore is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 6,658
Likes: 1,826
Liked 5,415 Times in 2,732 Posts
Default

Just a point here, the longer gas tube means lower gas pressures inside the BCG during operation, more forgiving of ammunition variation. Has no effect upon bullet velocity.
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Like Post:
  #7  
Old 07-07-2021, 09:11 PM
Dump1567's Avatar
Dump1567 Dump1567 is offline
Member
Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version?  
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: AZ
Posts: 2,339
Likes: 53
Liked 4,623 Times in 864 Posts
Default

My S&W VTAC II is a mid gas. Rail is marked Viking Tactical. And it has a Comp/FH combo.

ARCHIVE: M&P(R)15 VTAC(R) II Viking Tactics(R) | Smith & Wesson

__________________
Watch & Pray

Last edited by Dump1567; 07-07-2021 at 09:15 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-07-2021, 09:50 PM
VictorLouis's Avatar
VictorLouis VictorLouis is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 2,058
Likes: 108
Liked 2,125 Times in 968 Posts
Default

Alright, it looks like I did pretty well overall, thankfully. Bummer part first.
Since it had the full issue AR buttstock with storage well, the buffer tube is not inletted for an adjustable replacement. It looks like it was installed with no backplate, nor even a castle nut. The spring for the rear take down pin was protruding out, mashed into a perfect L-shape, and I couldn't see the detent pin on the front side. Okay, meh...not too much of a biggie.

Once I got the optic off, I could see that the front of the top rail was branded S&W just behind the Hexnut. So, upper and lower match. Got the handguards off, and turns out is has a nice barrel....
Faxon 16" Gunner Profile AR15 Barrel, 5.56 Nato, Pinned Gas Block - Faxon Firearms

I could see the bolt carrier was branded with an 'A'. Turns out it's this....
5.56 Bolt Carrier Group, Complete - Black Nitride | Aero Precision

Oh, and I had looked THROUGH the optic in the LGS, but not AT the optic. Found that it's this....
Nikon P-TACTICAL Riflescope .223 3X32 | 4.8 Star Rating Free Shipping over $49!

Thanks for the input, folks.

Last edited by VictorLouis; 07-07-2021 at 09:53 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-08-2021, 12:27 PM
Engine49guy's Avatar
Engine49guy Engine49guy is offline
Member
Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version?  
Join Date: May 2009
Location: South Florida
Posts: 7,785
Likes: 2,487
Liked 8,326 Times in 2,922 Posts
Default

My mistake on velocity, that was assumed on my part since mid length uppers generally require heavier buffers but IIRC there are other factors such as port size and dwell time etc.
The shorter gas system is more punishing on your bcg than a mid length.

My favorite is the 20" Barrel and full stock.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-08-2021, 01:06 PM
Dump1567's Avatar
Dump1567 Dump1567 is offline
Member
Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version?  
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: AZ
Posts: 2,339
Likes: 53
Liked 4,623 Times in 864 Posts
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VictorLouis View Post
Alright, it looks like I did pretty well overall, thankfully. Bummer part first.
Since it had the full issue AR buttstock with storage well, the buffer tube is not inletted for an adjustable replacement. It looks like it was installed with no backplate, nor even a castle nut. The spring for the rear take down pin was protruding out, mashed into a perfect L-shape, and I couldn't see the detent pin on the front side. Okay, meh...not too much of a biggie.

Once I got the optic off, I could see that the front of the top rail was branded S&W just behind the Hexnut. So, upper and lower match. Got the handguards off, and turns out is has a nice barrel....
Faxon 16" Gunner Profile AR15 Barrel, 5.56 Nato, Pinned Gas Block - Faxon Firearms

I could see the bolt carrier was branded with an 'A'. Turns out it's this....
5.56 Bolt Carrier Group, Complete - Black Nitride | Aero Precision

Oh, and I had looked THROUGH the optic in the LGS, but not AT the optic. Found that it's this....
Nikon P-TACTICAL Riflescope .223 3X32 | 4.8 Star Rating Free Shipping over $49!

Thanks for the input, folks.
Standard A1 & A2 Stocks use a different buffer tube/receiver extension than collapsible stocks. And the force of the fixed stock pushed against the AR lower is what holds the detent spring in (no castle nut or plate).

There's a lot of schematics you can find on line that shows how these mate together.
__________________
Watch & Pray
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 08-11-2021, 07:16 PM
4506517's Avatar
4506517 4506517 is offline
Member
Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version?  
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: The Old North State
Posts: 2,221
Likes: 2,867
Liked 3,205 Times in 1,083 Posts
Default

My issued M & P 15 is mid length.

Its.........okay.
__________________
Un-Reconstructed Southerner
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-12-2021, 02:41 AM
Racer X Racer X is offline
Member
Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version? Has S&W ever made a Mid-Length version?  
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Seattle
Posts: 3,422
Likes: 1,008
Liked 3,595 Times in 1,521 Posts
Default

That is a pretty decent combo. When my AR barrels burn out, they will be getting replaced by Faxon Gunner profiles, or a Faxon Match series.

UNLESS, I can get a barrel built on a Feddersen blank.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New to me 2.0 LE version S&W Fan Smith & Wesson M&P Pistols 18 03-27-2021 06:19 PM
Ogive length vs Overall length in the .222 elpac3 Reloading 6 10-08-2015 07:44 PM
WTS Chiefs Special 3" Target version, 615 made! tmichael GUNS - For Sale or Trade 2 12-07-2014 11:47 PM
Any USA made (non-China) made S&W Knives and Collectables? Branned2010 Smith & Wesson Knives & Collectables 14 01-24-2013 04:56 PM
Case trimming and trim to length vs Max length Rule3 Reloading 5 06-08-2011 04:30 PM

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
smith-wessonforum.com tested by Norton Internet Security smith-wessonforum.com tested by McAfee Internet Security

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:02 AM.


Smith-WessonForum.com is not affiliated with Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ Global Select: SWHC)