I have had my sigma for about a month and put a couple hundred rounds through it. I honestly like it. Last week I shot a friends beretta and glock 19. I did not like the way the glock felt, but I could see myself with the 92fs. I think the gun has a bad reputation, it's not perfect of course no gun really is.

I would consider buying another in .40 in the future. For warm weather carry I would consider something like an LC9.

Am I wrong in my thinking?

i was thinking about getting a lc9 or something smaller than mine 9ve for warm weather carry. maybe a compact 1911 wit 3'' barrel then again i have only had my sigma since november so it might work out for me once it get hot. ill have to wait an see. and as far as the bad rep, the trigger pull is the only thing that people say bad things about. IMO i like the trigger, i know that the gun will only fire if my finger is on the trigger and i pull, not when im carrying

I have both the 9VE and the 40VE and love them both. I bought the 9VE first and then the 40. They are both great, a lot of people give the Sigma a bad rap, but I beleive that 99% of them have never even held one. As for your carry question, I carry my 40 on a daily basis and have only once been stopped and asked if I was carrying. They are a little harder to CC but they really do not print to badly. I use the Blackhawk Paddle holster for my everyday carrying.

I love my Sigma. I think the Sigma has great ergonomics, it really fits my hands. The LC9 will be my next CCW firearm.

I was talking to one of our vendors the other day. He has a verity of firearms, and he stated his sigma 9 was his favorite to shoot.

I wanted a Sigma 9mm last Feb when they were on sale locally but they were out of them. So I got the 40 instead. Great shooting gun. Fits my hand like a glove. Very accurate for me. They went on sale at a local sport shop a couple of weeks ago and I was able to get the 9mm I originally wanted. It too is an excellent weapon that I enjoy very much. I think it is the most gun you can get for the money!

Coke is better than Pepsi
Chevy is better than Ford
Blue is the best looking color...........

There's no right or wrong here. It's your OPINION that matters when it's anything concerning you. As I've stated in previous threads, my fellow Officers all have their preferred make and model. All of those preferred weapons are costlier and fancier than my humble little Sigma. Yet, I outshoot the majority of them....to include several of our tactical guys and most of the firearms instructors. I'm not boasting, I'm just trying to illustrate a fact. If your comfortable with the weapon then you will excel with it. The Sigma will not degrade good handgun technique. A $1200 custom 1911 will not compensate for bad handgun technique.
And concerning concealed carry, I carry my Sigma every day. Nobody ever realizes that it's there. They conceal just fine.
Now hit the range and practice, practice, practice brother!! You may actually need it someday!

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Dem's fightin' words wabbit!!!

Now I know you have lost your freakin mind!

I figured I'd get flak for those first three lines!

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I think 99% of the Sigma's bad rep comes from the people that don't actually own one. It's just bad info passed along from one person to another. Perfect example of this, I was at my local gun store a few weeks ago and overheard the sales guy trying to talk a customer out of buying a Sigma 9VE and get a Ruger P95 for $30 more. Nothing wrong with Ruger but, he tells the customer that the ruger is WAY more gun than the Sigma. He says the Ruger will be more reliable and last longer, not to mention it has a manual safety. The customer is hanging on his every word. Didn't hang around to see what the guy purchased but I'm sure that he now thinks that the Sigma is probably junk and will relay this info to all his friends. I mean hay, the sales guy told him so and he knows everything there is to know about handguns, right?

I love my Sigma 40VE and I have a bunch of different handguns including a Glock 23. The Sigma is SO much more comfortable to shoot compared to the Glock. But that's just my own opinion. Both guns have been reliable and are accurate but the grip of the Glock which cost $200 more doesn't work for me. The bottom of the trigger guard indents a bit right where it meets the grip. It's not quite big enough for my middle finger to rest in while shooting. It rubs funny on the joint in my middle finger and hurts after a mag or two.

Anyone I have ever let shoot a few of my guns, they always comment on how well the Sigma feels in their hand compared to any others. I always say yup, and you too can get one for only about $300! Good, reliable, affordable handguns. No need to spend over $500 or a lot more but that's up to you.

Heres a question from a new shooter (SW40VE)....sorry if its been asked 100X before, but i didnt see it...

what is considered a half way decent grouping at 25'?
I am trying to put 50 rounds a week through just to make sure I can reliably hit the side of a barn (assumeing I am inside it). I am hopeing to be at LEAST in the 3-2" area by 500rds....

No sir! First line was good Coke is King around here. The other two you just went off the deep end.

Yup
I like my 9ve as well . Yes I have asked about the trigger pull But after reading the replys and a couple of thoughts . I am happy . The only thing I am doing to it is adding night sights but that is becuse I do not like white dots . Hard to see for me . Nice looking gun fits my hand well and fun to shoot . This is also my carry gun. Nothing wrong with this gun at least for me. Just would like to find a comfortable IWB holster for it . I have a leather Don Hume but just feels to bulky really nice well made holster though .

I think anyone that has shot on a regular basis, and has experience with revolvers, won't be bothered too much by the trigger.
Is it heavier than most other DA/SA out there? yes.
but would you really want a light trigger in a handgun where the safety is in the trigger? probably not.
we did the trigger mod to reduce it by a few pounds and I'm happy with it.

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targets with the Sigma, after porting the barrel.
this was my 2nd time shooting it, with 12 rounds.
the 2 first shots were just test ones, purposely off on the side.
(15 yards target)

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Try the Remoras Holster, this is the only line we carry at our gun shop. the sell between $25-30 and they are IWS without clip, they are retention holsters and once you've gone "Remora" you wont look back

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I went gun shopping this past weekend with my son. We are both interested in the Sigma and I asked the owner of the first store we visited if he had any we could look at and his reply was that he doesn't carry the Sigma because "it is junk". I gently attempted to get some more details about that from him but he didn't have any specifics to say about them other than his 'junk' comment. He had Glocks, Springfield XD, etc but actually NO Smith and Wesson autoloader models so I suspect he was saying they were junk because he didn't have any to sell. Went to 2 other gun shops and one was sold out of them and the other only had one .40 cal and no 9MM in stock. My son lives in Ohio and found a decent deal on the 9MM Sigmas at a gun show a few months before he was ready to purchase so he is hoping to find that same deal again at the end of this month. I might have him pick one up for me 'as a gift' and bring it home.

the gun is far from junk i have AGI's armorers course of the glock on dvd and robert dunlop, if you have seen anything from agi he is very knowledgeable and been a gunsmith for 30 years, he has a sigma to compare with the glock and says that s&w improved the trigger system of the glock. it might be heavier so what... if you watch this course and you know your sigma you see its [I]almost[I] the same gun as the glock... so why would someone say the sigma is junk if they put the glock on a pedestal? that would be saying the glock is junk

The Sigma is a good pistol with a terrible trigger.
Great truck gun.
It's reliable, sturdy, and dependable.

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Yeah, when I left that gun shop I was convinced that this particular shop owner had other reasons for bad-mouthing the Sigma. Maybe he didn't carry them because the profit margin was too low on Sigmas as this guy is not the best-priced shop in the area. He seems to run about $30 higher than his competition but he was the nearest shop to my home so I stopped there first. When I finally got to hold a Sigma at the final shop we checked that day, it felt really nice in my hand. I had my retired cop buddy with me and he liked the Sigma a lot. He even said it felt better to him than an SW SD model that we also tried. I liked them both but I liked the price tag on the Sigma better! I also took into consideration that the other two shops carry the Sigmas but the one shop was totally sold out and the other shop was down to just one .40 cal model left. That tells me that Smith must be selling a lot of them.

The Sigma has to be in the top 5 as best bang for the buck semi-auto.imo I can't find any reason a gun shop would call the sigma "junk". He must be one of those glock "nut swingers". I'm not saying the Sigma is end all be all, but I do know S&W took the time to form a frame that actually fits a humans hand. Unlike glock who drew a frame on a 2x4 and cut it out with a jigsaw.


slong. You should go back to that first shop and ask that glock nut swinger . Why can't glock make anything besides a plastic pistol?

Some years back I got a Glock 17 "just because". I had a fair amount of experience with them as an instructor, etc., and decided to give one a good shakedown and see what it could do for me. I had used a good DA revolver for most of my LEO career and expected no real problems with it.

Well, it might have been me, but after a year of fighting the trigger on that thing I sold it. The "green twig" stock trigger drove me nuts as I couldn't call my shots or get the thing to group for beans.

About a year ago I picked up a 9mm Sigma because I liked the feel of it, liked the S&W emblem and warranty, ...and it was cheap. I tried the trigger before buying and it was a non-issue. The pull was OK, setoff OK, and it weighed in on my Lyman gauge at 11 pounds, 8 ounces. First time out it shot dead center. I can plink pop cans out at 35 yards pretty well with it, and I have a couple of very small groups on paper. It's one of the more pleasant surprises I've had in a while.

In December, after doing some homework, I bought a Kahr CW45. Kahrs are noted for their excellent trigger pulls and this one is good. I would rank it up with many S&W revolvers and it is SMOOTH all the way. The grip and trigger reach are ideal for small hands which certainly helps. This little howitzer has only a 3 1/4" barrel, and does it ever shoot. It thinks it's a Gold Cup. I just weighed the pull on it and it averaged out at 6 pounds, 2 ounces.

The point is that the quality of the pull is what matters. The Kahr feels even lighter than it is and is the best of class IMHO. The Sigma requires some effort to make things happen but I can call and place my shots just as well.

One thing I've learned--life is just too short to put up with lousy triggers on any gun.

Sigmas were meant to be just what they are, and they're good to go as is.

Hey, JRich, in fact gun shop owner had a Glock on his hip when we were there so that probably lets us know where his sympathies lie. My ex-Cop buddy who was with me is a big Glock fan be he told me that he was impressed with the Sigma that we saw at the other gun shop so at least he is open-minded about it.

BAT....I am also an old-school revolver kind of guy from my cop days (1975-1979) and used the exclusively as duty weapons as we carried Model 66s as our service weapon and Air Weights for a backup. I have read that the Sigma trigger is somewhat like a DA revolver so if that is the case I am sure I will adapt to a Sigma without too much difficulty. I also see that you were in the Air Force. My son is currently in the Air Force stationed in Ohio at Wright-Pat. Somewhere nearby is where he found the deal on the Sigmas at a gun show. Not sure how good of a deal it was but he said it was less than the local gun shops had it for. The .40 cal we saw here in Michigan was $299 which seems like a good price but I want a 9mm instead of a .40 for my first gun in many years.

slong $279-$299 is the going price now a days.

Maybe S&W should raise the price of the Sigma to the $500 range. Then that would automatically make the Sigma a top shelf firearm. Maybe just maybe the gun shops would have a whole glass case just for Sigmas. Hey if it costs more it must be better......Right?

Well, I'm happy if all my shots put holes in a sheet of letter-size paper, at any distance and at any speed. To me, this is acceptable for self defense shooting.

For target shooting and "bragging rights" this may seem terribly inaccurate, but just hold that sheet of paper you just shot full of ragged holes over your chest or any other part of your body...

Of course, I do sometimes try to put the holes in a smaller group in the middle of the paper...

If I am remembering correctly, I think my son said some dealer at the gun show last month had the Sigmas for $260 plus tax. Seems like a pretty decent deal to me. A buddy of mine has two M&P .40 caliber models (one compact and one full-size) and I really like those a lot but even one M&P is not in my price range at this time. I might be able to convince myself to go with an SD9 if I can find a bit of a deal on one of those but for now I am giving the Sigma serious consideration.

I recently acquired a new 9mm Sigma in a trade. Took it to the range and fed it four different types of ammo for 200 rnds, left it dirty (to just push it a little) and a couple of days later another 200 rnds (again four different types of ammo). The pistol was flawless and accurate. The only thing some might not like is the trigger, which I got used to and didn't mind. I believe this one is a keeper for HD. For a reliable pistol at a decent price I would recommend this pistol in a heartbeat.

Now...if the Sigma only came in a black slide like it did with the Allied Forces model. I do like that black better than the stainless but that is just cosmetics. The stainless did not bother me when I was sighting down the slide at the gun store.

The shop where I got my sigma had an all black model. I was waiting for my license so I couldn't put it aside and when I went back 4 days later it was gone. I did get a NIB sigma but the two toned model. I agree that I like the all black one better.

Anyone had any problems putting Def. rounds though it ? 9mm.Just asking I have only shot target rounds thru mine .

No problems at all. The good thing about the sigma, it will eat just about anything that you feed it.

Geez, you guys just talked me out of buying a G19 or a G17 I own the sw40ve, and love it. Was looking for a good 9mm, rugged and reliable. I can pick up new for $269.00 + tax in CT. THANKS FOR SAVING ME SOME $$$$

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Glad we could help, but if you already have a 40ve why would you consider wasting your hard earned money on a glock? Of course it's your money.

I'm just saying though, there's just better ways to waste money. Like candy, little Debby cakes, hookers, or booze I'm just saying.

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I own both of these pistols and they are both ultra reliable. The triggers smooth out after a few hundred dry fires and about 500 actual rounds put through each. I bought both excellent used for the price of what one used Glock would cost. I've shot Sigs,HK's,glocks,rugers,colts and even Steyrs. The sigmas are built great. Fit the hand superb,and are very accurate. I just quialified w/ my dept's issue sidearm,an M&P 40cal. First time with that weapon,First time on the range,a 90% score. The sigma has done nothing but help improve my shooting. Any of the above mentioned guns are excellent,but the sigma,hands down,is an absolute best buy!!! I carry either one for CCW and I can trust my life to them. I've been shooting pistols since 1980 for defense,IPSC,GSSF (for you glockers),and recreational on my farm. I know what I'm talking about!

Excellent!!
Now If I can just get my hands on one of these!!

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That's what I got a few years back. Still love it. Fits my hand, shoots every time and where I point it, cheap. What's not to like?

Well, reading about the Sigma here in the forum caused me to put one on layaway. Will have a report on one each SW9VE within 60 days or so...

Good choice, you'll enjoy it brother!

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Dem's fightin' words wabbit!!!

Don't see them around here, even on private sales. Those that have them are keeping them My quest continues...

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I purchased a 9VE on a whim, and I gotta tell ya I like the little fella. Waaaayyyyyy more than the garbage M&P 45 I'm issued.....shhhhh....I'm getting crucified for not drinking the Kool Aid on the M&P side LOL.....

The Sigma has a great grip and points perfectly. Maybe they should have just used the Sigma as a starting point instead of.......anyway, love my little Sigma!

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No worries, the M&P isn't for everyone, I own it in 9mm, no issues as of yet, there again, I don't carry on duty, day in and day out as you do yours, in .45, mine will never see the environment that your weapon does.
I also own the 9ve and 40ve, haven't used them for a carry option yet, the jury is still out, before I trust my life to them.
I plan to continue to test their performance in different styles of personal defense shooting, more training.Asymmetrical, CAR, vehicle,and the like. I think the Sigma likes a strong grip, My wife attempted to shoot from a close hip holster draw and the 9ve attempted to double feed, hence jam. No problem, I expected that. All in all, their keepers.

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colt. Why do you feel you can't trust your life with a Smith? I personally wouldn't buy a gun I can't trust my life with. I can see it not being you choice of carry, but to say you don't trust it.

J.
I think that early in the game with the SIGMAS, I just want to do more training with them. It's more about my response with them, than it is about the Weapon itself, at this point in time. I've personal defense carried a few S&W..Revolvers and Semi's. The Sigmas are just new to me, I'm not being negative about them,I just want to be able to function with them under stress.

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I certainly am impressed with my Sigma 9. I've read reviews and watched youtube demos and it's very favorable so I ordered one at my local range. I bought two boxes of Fed Champs in anticipation of my gun. I also had a handful of Win PDX1 124 +Ps and Fed Hydra-Shok 124s. I had a good day at the range. First time I held the gun the grip was great and shooting it was sweet.

In a few days I get to shoot again and it will be without the pigtail spring (I lost it duh) but the trigger wasn't bad in the first place. Anyway I got a new spring coming from S&W.

I was considering a Hi Point C9 but after watching youtube I couldn't stop laughing. About everyone had FTEs.

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I've had a couple in 9mm and the only "problem" I had with em' was the lack of resale value. I was into em' for $329 each and ended up taking $159 each because there was a Sig P225 that I just had to have and I needed the cash. Other then that they seem to work as well as any other poly frame gun on the market.

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I gotcha Colt. A quite respectable answer. I was under the impression it was the weapon thanks for the correction.

Your Welcome, and Thank You for understanding

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