One of my friends who has a SW9VE and has done the (two spring removal) trigger mod, just bought a new SW40VE and was going to do the same trigger mod on it and found that S&W has started center punching the two stage sear pins that hold the sear block in place and he wasn't able to get them out. He tried lightly striking them with a small punch and hammer with the assembly properly braced and they didn't budge, he doesn't see any way to get them out without damaging them. Has anybody else ran into this yet?

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Stan

That's interesting, sucks but interesting.

Interesting but can't blame 'em. What about the pigtail spring?

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That really sucks. He said that they punched the shorter pin on both sides and the longer one on the flush side and they won't budge at all. I won't be buying any new sigmas for sure.

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After thinking about this for a minute. I would like to know how they punched them. Was it on a bench with a hammer and punch, or done buy machine? I ask this because. It seems if I took the sear out and punched the pins with a hammer and punch on my bench. It would bend the sear retainer in toward the sear causing more friction in the sear itself.

If your insistent on getting the sear apart you could use a drill bit to drill slightly. Just enough to get through the punch marks, and then if you had to find a new pin.

S&W has also shut off parts for the Sigma sear assembly, so if you tear up anything, used parts are the only option short of sending the whole gun to S&W.

Given the flood of calls to S&W wanting sear parts to mod and others asking for "the free factory trigger job on the Sigma," I guess we should not be too surprised S&W lawyers got into the act.

Sometimes a bit of discretion saves unwanted attention......

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I don't get why Smith is shutting off parts if they are continuing to produce the Sigma. What I could see Smith doing is not honoring the warranty on non factory trigger jobs. I do think Smith could have save themselves a lot trouble if they had put a little more effort in to a better trigger from the start.

Not to throw water on this party, but my mindset has been Leave it stock...My own personal preference and 2cents worth at that..

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this thread is useless without pics

I dont agree with what most seem to do with theyre sigma I like to do some minor mods which make the trigger heck of alot nicer than stock but I do keep all the parts only exception I would make is strictly for competition use.

I have a feeling I'm not going to get my pigtail spring.

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I went over and checked it out, they look to have been done by machine. they are punched dead center and deep, enough to spread the ends of the pin so they won't budge. I don't think you can drill them without ruining them and from what I can tell you won't get anymore pins or even another sear housing block assembly, so you'll have to send it back to S&W for repair if you do. Brownells and Numrich say they can't get them anymore and Midway USA say they are expecting to get some in on april 8, but I bet if they do get them they will be punched as well. I will probably end up taking the pins out of my gun to a machine shop around here to see if they can make some of them and then drill his out and replace them after polishing everything and doing the mod. S&W just made things tougher, that's all.

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I haven't downloaded any pictures on here yet, and i didn't get any pictures of his sear assembly today. I will get some and get them on here as soon as I can, so everyone can see for themselves.

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Taking on the roll of the extreme optimist I can only presume that S&W has made a deal with Apex Tactical to be the exclusive aftermarket modifier of triggers for the Sigma series. Based on that logic Apex's new trigger kit for the Sigma must be a complete drop in unit creating an amazingly smooth trigger with a reasonable weight, clean break and no slack. S&W makes it harder to mod the trigger yourself and thus everyone turns to Apex for their triggery goodness. The Sigma sales go through the roof, Apex Tactical becomes a very lucrative company, Smith comes out the Sigma compact, Apex Tactical gives me 100 shares of stock for this post and S&W hires me to T&E all of their new products. Yep, sounds reasonable to me.

The Prophet has Spoken!! Sounds like a realistic plan The people at SW will see this and be all over it!!

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That very well maybe the case with the Apex triggers. As long as it's a reasonable price I may have one. I think it's ****** what Smith is doing. If I want my gun modified that's my deal not theirs. If you want to keep your gun stock, so be it I'm glad you like the stock trigger. My Sigma has springs removed and extensive trigger polishing. The weight of the trigger pull is still in the "duty/carry" specs.

It's junk like this that companies do that make me want to take my business elsewhere. I love my Sigma, but I on the verge of taking it to the pawn shop.

Your GTG.. So keep it!!

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Whats the problem? If you go to your local hobby store you can get springs. If you really want to do the trigger job go to the hobby store. You can also take a torch and weaken the springs so you can jus leave them together and have a light trigger.

LOL!!!

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What are you 2 babling about?

Pigtail spring? Don't talk that way about me now!

Hog

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Phil. 4:13

When somebody starts talking about springs, J Rich automatically thinks they are talking about him, for some reason. He has not been the same since he drank that gallon of anti-freeze.

Is that the way it is, Glock boy?

I smell "lawyers"

Roger That!!

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Here we go, let the controversy begin!! Fellas, read Vector's post real carefully. He's fillin' you in on something. No need to dump your Sigmas!

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Dem's fightin' words wabbit!!!

While waiting for Midway USA to get the sear housing block assemblies in, Numrich actually got some in and he ordered it for 44.60 + 8.50 shipping. It came with punched or stamped pins as well, but it only had one sear spring in it plus the pigtail spring. The pin that holds the pigtail spring comes out easily if you wanted to remove the pigtail spring. He left it in and installed the assembly and it has a 6# trigger pull and he is very happy with that. Not sure how much more the trigger pull would drop if you took the pigtail spring out as well. He has ran 700 rounds through it and has had no issues at all. I have polished the sear and sear arm in my sw40ve and removed the outer sear spring and the pigtail spring and it is only very slightly lighter than his trigger is now and I have many more rounds through mine.

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The Numrich website says sold out. Has anybody heard an update on when the Apex kit will be available?

I will probably end up taking the pins out of my gun to a machine shop around here to see if they can make some of them. I have a SW40F and also just bought a parts kit less frame. Both of the sear block assemblies have the punched or pressed pins. Both only have the single spring and pigtail spring. I can feel the rough in the sear slot cutout. Not bad but would like to clean it up. If you can get these pins made i would like to buy a few sets. Thanks

I just shot mine, never did a lick of work on the trigger assembly and its right at 5 lbs now with less than 800 rounds through it. Why complain about a design that does what it's supposed to do so that mechanical safety's can be eliminated? I guess people just gotta find something to complain about...

How do you know it was lawyers? Perhaps it was just S&W management because they were fixing too many Sigmas broken by amateur gunsmiths who think you can "fix" the Sigma by just taking out some parts.

Folks, the Sigma was designed to have a trigger pull like a Model 10 - same length of pull, same weight, etc.

If people want a polymer pistol with a lighter trigger, just buy an M&P.

S&W doesn't see people tinkering with the triggers as "improvement", any more than Honda sees 17 year old kids strapping on Nitrous bottles to stock Civics as an "improvement". Both modifications done improperly can have dangerous, litigation generating consequences.

I just got a sprint for my SW9VE and when I went to install it I expected to see the center punches. To my suprise the pins weren't punched, just straight and easy to remove.

AMEN!

K = Keep
I = It
S = Simple
S = Stupid

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The discussions about what and if to do anything to the sear assembly is ongoing. My Sigma is almost two years old and slightly modded for better control. (Sigh,lawyers!)

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S&W is wrong to do this, the Trigger job was covered by the warrenty and they just wanted to stop honoring it.

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