I just purchased a new S&W Sigma and I am very unhappy with the gun. I have owned revolvers for years and very few semi auto guns. I have a Bersa Thunder 380 and a Llama 9mm. The trigger pull on this gun is to be unbelieved, I felt like I would need to walk backward to fire it. This is the hardest and longest trigger I have ever encountered. I have read a few tips on here on how to fix it but now it can't be done due to S&W new manufacturing process that fixes the trigger where you cant work on it.

Anyone know how this trigger can be shortened and pull dropped by about 5lbs pull? I am afraid that I will have to sell the gun and buy another brand or the MP version. The gun is accurate as any gun I have shot but I felt I would have to walk backward to get the trigger to fire the rounds. It has a long pull and a hard one.

I hate to hate a gun but we were shooting with 4 others and they all said the same thing. We shot about 100 rounds in it today and it hit where you aimed but that trigger pull puts me off.

do a search, there are lots of people with the same complaint and many fixes.

With the known trigger characteristics why did you buy this pistol without trying it first?

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KMAG YOYO

If you don't like it sell it.There will be many buyers for it.It has been out of stock for a while because i have two friends waiting to buy it.

Ditto, I don't understand if you own several other revolvers and a few semi-auto's why your research didn't turn up the relatively heavy trigger pull.

I could understand this from someone as a first purchase, but that's about it.

As many owners of Sigma's have stated though, they actually LIKE that trigger pull as it is intended to be what it is, which is also why S&W is now punching the pins to prevent such easy "fixes" which results in those same Sigma's being returned to them due to light primer strikes or other problems.

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Live For Today Not Tomorrow

The Sigma was S&W's first real try at a polymer handgun and yes it has issues. As others have said, there are many published fixes for the trigger and some kits you can buy. That being said however, you may want to consider either returning it, if you can, or trading it in on an M&P which is widely considered where S&W got it "right" with a polymer.

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This Signature is too Short!

Shoot it. The trigger gets much better. Mine measures in at 5 lbs and I never did a lick of work on it other than keeping it clean. If you don't like the trigger pull on this one, go shoot a Ruger P95 DA.

Having used Sigmas as loaners and trainers since they came out, I'll tell you flat out either shoot it or sell it. Aside from the smoothing from use or polishing (not practical with the current pins) the "fixes" simply reduce the reliability with hot defense ammunition, leaving you with a range queen that works OK with standard range amo.

There are NO reputable commercial kits for the Sigma, just internet ripoffs. Apex has tried, but not marketed, a kit that they will admit does not do much. You can't do much and keep a reliable Sigma with all ammo.

If you want a similar pistol with a 5 # lighter trigger, buy the standard M&P and save the whining about the Sigma design for somebody--there must be somebody?--who has not heard it 1000 times for the last decade. S&W has dropped the Sigma twice, and produced more only in response to customer demands.
As a match director, I've seen numerous people take perfectly good stock pistols, including Sigmas, and have a great time until they decide to "improve" their pistols with internet "enhancements" until they have an unreliable piece of junk and drop out of competition.

No offense intended, but that's often the reality.

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Science plus Art

You must have gotten a factory freak ! Even with the wolf springs my old sigma was at 8lbs.

You lucky guy...

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Glock 27
Shield 9mm

First off, the trigger pull is not as bad as you all make it out to be..JMHO! Next, get snap caps and work the trigger in your gun while watching TV. Several hundred to a thousand smooths out the trigger just fine. It does get better. Although my Sigma is delegated to a truck gun assignment, it gets lots of use as a practice/range gun. I have many guns I enjoy shooting more but the Sigma still holds a special place!!

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I still have not made up my mind on this gun. The reason I did not research it is I saw it at Academy and he handed me the gun with a trigger lock and it did feel good in my hand. I had no idea of the reported problems I just wanted a .40 semi and it filled the bill while being priced right. So I bought it and then took it to shoot. I'm sorry that you feel that I'm being unfriendly or unfair to the gun but my double action pistols have a lot shorter and lighter trigger pull. This is my first S&W it was bought on their reputation of building high quality arms. Which I feel this one is not of that high quality I thought it would be.

Just because of the hard trigger it's not quality? The trigger is there for a reason, it's its safety factor, no levers to forget about flipping when SHTF. The gun won't go bang unless you want it to. I removed the torsion spring on mine and the trigger's still hard enough but smoother, that's all I need.

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_It was love at first shot_

We do or at least I do not feel you are dissing the gun. The trigger is gritty and is a hard pull. If you have the gun already, do the snap cap routine and believe me, it will smooth out..

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PREDATORMASTERS

That is one strange way to purchase firearms, to me anyway. I have never bought, and will never buy, one with handling one before and that includes dry firing at least a couple times to see if the trigger is 'ok' for my tastes. If it is a 'no dry fire' weapon and I am really interested, I'll rent one at a range first.

Methinks you are better off selling it and moving on. Good luck, whatever you do.

I bought a lightly used Sigma two years ago and I too thought the trigger was not what is should be. I put a few hundred rounds through it and two things happened. It got better, and I got used to it. That trigger pull is long because the gun doesn't have a manual safety. Yes, there are better triggers out there. Sure, you can pay a lot more to get more accuracy and feel. I have several other semi-autos in my collection, but my 9mm Sigma is still the one I keep close for home defense. One reason...reliability. 1 FTE in over 1000 rounds. It's easy to care for, feels good in my hand and accurate enough to consistently hit center mass at the distances I will need to hit. If you don't like a gun, sell it and move on. The M&P line is better, you may like better too, but they will be higher in cost and right now, harder to find.

Yes the trigger pull is hard, yes I had mine fixed from Smith and Wesson. But the trigger isn't the end all be all of this gun. I was still able to shoot very well despite the "oh so hard" trigger on it.

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Don't look, reload and shoot!

Like I said in the first post I liked the feel of the gun and it is accurate without any problems except for the long hard trigger. I am planning on trying it again in a few weeks and hope I can get used to the thing. It's not a bad gun but not a great gun. I will work with it for a while and see where it takes us.

I know this subject is like beating a dead horse but I did the whole trigger mod thing (springs and polishing) and reduced pull to about 6 pounds. Shot hot SD loads without issue. The only problem I had was with my too light reloads where I experienced a bunch of FTE’s. Increasing subsequent powder charge solved that problem.

I have no reservations using my 9ve for CC/ SD duty. With or without the trigger job I must say my Sigma is still one of the most reliable handguns I own.

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Si vis pacem, para bellum

Lost count of how many times I ran snap caps through it while watching television. I do count myself lucky though, I also have a Mosin 91/30 with a 4 lb trigger pull.

Sigmas are great. Pull the trigger and BAM it goes off. Its in my truck ready to roll. Sounds like you might need an XDM. It happens i have one for sale.

The Sigma trigger is smooth and light compared to the early Keltec P11's now those triggers were at least a mile long and a good 50lbs

Gosh do I remember the P11.. it was so hard and long trigger pull that you almost needed a second trigger finger to make the pull to fire it. Needless to say it did not stay long in my collection of CCW guns.

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Strait to it, the sigma's trigger out the gate is horrible. Even us long time sigma owners know this and most of us understand when new owners come in and throw a fit about the triggers.
BUT, firstly you shouldve dry fired it a few times before buying it. I will never buy a gun without trying a trigger pull a few times. Second, sell it if you dont like it or dont wanna try the few fixes out there. You can make the trigger smoother, and alittle lighter. But 2 things will always be there, heaviness, and length. The trigger will never be a M&P trigger, it will still be a heavy trigger no matter what you do to it. And the length f the pull and when it breaks wont change either.
SO, if you can live with either of those, then you might want to sell it and try the trigger on the next gun you buy...
BTW my sigma is for sell if anyones interested...PM me...
for personal reasons, i love the gun, but need the money....

Hmmmm interesting. Seems like the Sigma is an inexpensive gun good for home defense. Can be carried, but all depends on if you can get used to the trigger and break it in right.

I will respectfully disagree with placing so much emphasis on "getting used to the trigger.:

Many Sigma owners taker their gun to a range, run a target out to 10 yards and are disappointed when they don't put all of the rounds in the 10 ring. In my opinion, the Sigma (or any reliable gun for that matter) does not require you to "get used to the trigger" for it to serve as a perfectly capable defensive weapon.

Distances in your home are not likely to be more that across a room, about 10 feet in a small room or maybe 20 feet in a hallway or a large room.

So, the next time you go to the range, put a paper plate out at 4-5 yards. Then, pick up the gun and squeeze the rounds off fairly rapidly. You are not trying for machine gun speed, but about one round per second is fast enough.

You won't have time to check for perfect sight alignment, but concentrate on a firm grip and keep pointing the gun at the target. If you like, imagine that the plate is a threat and you don't have time for 'ready, aim, fire' if you want to stop the 'bad guy.'

You will be pleasantly surprised to find most, if not all of your shots do hit the plate, and you will also be surprised that you don't remember, or care, how "heavy" the trigger felt.

I just recently got my Sigma SW9VE (gift from son that I posted about in another thread) and I was surprised that I didn't mind the trigger at all on it after what I keep reading about how bad it is supposed to be. Now, I am an old-time revolver guy so that might be why the Sigma doesn't seem bad to me. I actually kind of like the trigger on it. It seems really safe to me since it is a longer, harder pulling trigger. I didn't notice any gritty feeling with mine but my son had fired about 200 round through it before giving it to me so that might have smoothed things out a bit.

As a side note, I have mine for home defense. I spent a bit over 4 years as a cop in the late 1970's (revolver days) and never had to fire my weapon in the line of duty but I practiced a lot with double-action revolvers. One of my best friends retired recently from the same department and he was involved in several shooting incidents during his career. He really likes my Sigma (may get one, himself) and made the comment "Even if you don't like the trigger on it, I guarantee that in a SHTF situation, you will never even notice it!" I consider his opinion as 'the voice of experience' and I couldn't agree more.

I probably would not have a Sigma as a target shooting weapon but for self-defense I think it fits the task very well.

It's true, the trigger is hard to pull. But just like most have said you need to break the gun and your hand in. Just like new jeans and cars there is a certain amount of breaking in and just getting use to it. All guns and rifles and cars for that matter have to get broke in. JMHO

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SW40VE

I purchased a SW9VE from a friend who only put about 50 rounds down the chamber. Yes, the trigger was heavy. I understood that when I purchased it. I changed out the striker spring with a lighter one from wolf. Very easy to do. I did my trigger pull recently to find that it is at 8 pounds. I am very pleased with this. With over 3 thousand rounds fired, the only issue I have had is cleaning, which comes after shooting. I have had no failures of any sort prior or after I changed the spring. I just wish there were more options with holsters.

While I have yet to "pull the trigger" (pun intended) on getting a Sigma, I am still keeping an eye out for a cheap used 9VEAF (the black one) in 9mm. Not that I am short on pistols of any type but I have this thing about collecting the weapons I've carried or come across during my times down range. AKs, M4s, M9, Makarov, SVD (sadly a Chinese NDM-86 in .308 rather than the original 7.62X54R but it's still a danged accurate rifle) and an A2 are already in the collection. Sadly, I highly doubt I will ever be able to afford an RPD, PKM or Stechkin but the Sigma is an option. We had a contact at the Dahman police HQ that would show us his Sigma that he was very happy with.
As far as the heavy triggers, I am already familiar with this and have dry fired a few in the store. There are some earlier models that will allow you to work with this problem and some later models that won't. For those that can't be worked on, I just look at the trigger as not really any worse than many of the DAO pistols that were out in the early to mid 90's. If I want to think back to the worst trigger I ever tried, it was the DA trigger on a CZ70 that was an absolute beast so even the heavy, long, gritty trigger of a sigma that hasn't been worked on is still an improvement. Look at it as a matter of perspective. If you've dealt with worse triggers, the Sigma isn't that bad. If however you are used to a tuned 1911 trigger, of course the Sigma trigger is going to suck.

I have a Sigma SW9VE that was manufactured in Jan 2008. At first the trigger pull was long, hard and gritty. Over two years I fired about 250 rounds and the trigger got lighter and less gritty--still long. I got very accurate with it in the 25-50 ft range. I did not use it for two years and just a year ago put in a lighter Sear spring which cut trigger pull in half---still long pull--no grit but in the 6-8 pound range. My shooting now became dead on---consistent--with the new setup. Since then I have put 500 rounds through it without a single failure. I was planning on selling my Sigma since I have too many guns---but I like the weapon so much that it would be like parting with an old friend-------I actually think it is as good as the 3 M&Ps that I have and the two Rugers that I own-----the problem with it is that it has gotten an undeserved bad rep---I think at most I might get $200-240 for it today