Sigma fell apart in my hands! Piece of ****!

[conn ak]

I was scoping out other forums lately and cannot believe the anti-Sigma B.S. on these forums. I am considering purchasing a Ruger LCP, so I slide over to their forum to see if there are any inherent problems with the pistol. There is a thread posted by some unfortunates who purchased Sigmas with tall tales of guns literally falling apart out of the box. Come on, man. Check out the Glock forums for more horror stories about the Sigma. We Sigma owners know this to be nonsense. Do you think it makes someone who purchased a Glock at $250 more than a Sigma to feel better about themselves for their purchase price to post such nonsense? This S&W forum rarely gets into Glock bashing, you know, the gun that sometimes blows up, because Glock makes a fine firearm.I've owned one. Do we see people boasting about the 2 big Ruger recalls in recent months? I'm looking into the purchase of an LCP. Happy owner of a Sigma 9F and 40VE signing off. Excuse me now while I scotch tape my 9F back together and try to recover all the gun parts from my most recent 40VE explosion.

[conn ak]

I was scoping out other forums lately and cannot believe the anti-Sigma B.S. on these forums. I am considering purchasing a Ruger LCP, so I slide over to their forum to see if there are any inherent problems with the pistol. There is a thread posted by some unfortunates who purchased Sigmas with tall tales of guns literally falling apart out of the box. Come on, man. Check out the Glock forums for more horror stories about the Sigma. We Sigma owners know this to be nonsense. Do you think it makes someone who purchased a Glock at $250 more than a Sigma to feel better about themselves for their purchase price to post such nonsense? This S&W forum rarely gets into Glock bashing, you know, the gun that sometimes blows up, because Glock makes a fine firearm.I've owned one. Do we see people boasting about the 2 big Ruger recalls in recent months? I'm looking into the purchase of an LCP. Happy owner of a Sigma 9F and 40VE signing off. Excuse me now while I scotch tape my 9F back together and try to recover all the gun parts from my most recent 40VE explosion.

[MattB]

Some people need to validate their choice of product among a number of good alternatives. And it's not limited to firearms. For example, go to any Japanese car fan-boy forum and you'll see plenty of "ZOMGzors Volkswagen aer Teh SUKZORS" and other incoherent **** designed to make them feel better about themselves. Glock fans feel the same way about the Sigma and M&P, and Walther snobs likewise about the SW99.

[duckmart]

I hear you guys. That's what most owners of medium to high end gun owners fear the most. They can't believe that there is a gun out there that does the same job for half the price. My sigma in 40 cal feels and shoots just fine, I bought it for $225.00 with two ("steel" not plasic) mags six months ago,the same gunshop now sells them for $395.00 and can't keep'em stocked, go figure!!!

[ggig]

My sigma 9ve is the original point and click interface. It just feels natural in your hand like it should be there all the time....gg

[Camprunner]

I had a friend who had a Glock "KB" on him yes that's "KA-BOOM" for the people who don't know.

On the flip side I did own a "Block" before and it worked just fine. I would never buy another one though they just dont fit my hand right.

My Sigma on the other hand is just a joy to shoot and it's never failed me yet.

[357larry]

Around here Glock owners are like the fat sissy boys who drive BMWs. They just think that because they own it, it has to be the best. Someone told them so.

[cshoff]

Originally posted by conn ak:
I was scoping out other forums lately and cannot believe the anti-Sigma B.S. on these forums. I am considering purchasing a Ruger LCP, so I slide over to their forum to see if there are any inherent problems with the pistol. There is a thread posted by some unfortunates who purchased Sigmas with tall tales of guns literally falling apart out of the box. Come on, man. Check out the Glock forums for more horror stories about the Sigma. We Sigma owners know this to be nonsense. Do you think it makes someone who purchased a Glock at $250 more than a Sigma to feel better about themselves for their purchase price to post such nonsense? This S&W forum rarely gets into Glock bashing, you know, the gun that sometimes blows up, because Glock makes a fine firearm.I've owned one. Do we see people boasting about the 2 big Ruger recalls in recent months? I'm looking into the purchase of an LCP. Happy owner of a Sigma 9F and 40VE signing off. Excuse me now while I scotch tape my 9F back together and try to recover all the gun parts from my most recent 40VE explosion.

I completely agree. I've never understood why some people don't feel that Sigma's and Glock's can peacefully coexist. My Dad and Brother are both Glock fans, but both of them like my Sigma's as well. They both realize that, just because they chose Glock's, that doesn't make every other brand of handgun a piece of junk. Likewise, I find their Glock's to be quite reliable. I just don't find they fit my hand as well as the Sigma and don't believe they are worth the extra $150 - $200 they cost. That said, I would feel perfectly fine carrying their Glock handguns for personal protection as they have been very reliable.

[Lee in Quartzsite]

I am considering purchasing a Ruger LCP,

My wife has an LCP and it is great little gun, but I don't like the trigger and she is learning to live with it. I have a 642 with a CT laser and I much prefer the way it shoots over the LCP.

I had a Sigma for almost 4 years before I got a M&P 9 Compact. The Sigma was a great gun, except for its trigger. I never had one FTF or FTE during the time I owned it. I traded it for the M&P, which I really like. Just my $0.02.......

[Erich]

FWIW, there really were some issues with the first gen Sigmas. They clearly got them fixed with the revision in '97.

Originally posted by 357larry: Around here Glock owners...

I'm not just sure what you're referring to as "Around here..." but this is one Glock owner who doesn't have to be told anything about the Glock because I've found out for myself that they are as good, if not better, than anything else on the Market today. And, you can take your "Opinion" and stuff it where the Sun Don't Shine if you can find room with your head already there!!! I don't believe I've ever read any of your other Posts here but I've very sure that this is the LAST one I ever will!!!

[shawn mccarver]

Originally posted by 357larry:
Around here Glock owners are like the fat sissy boys who drive BMWs. They just think that because they own it, it has to be the best. Someone told them so.

This kind of bashing is just unnecessary. Glock makes a fine gun that has had its occasional problems.

S&W makes fine guns that have had their occasional problems.

The bottom line is that I, for one, would trust my life with a Glock or a Smith & Wesson, and I do not feel the need to make ignoramus comments to those who choose the Glock.

[conn ak]

Originally posted by Erich:
FWIW, there really were some issues with the first gen Sigmas. They clearly got them fixed with the revision in '97.

I hear that often as well. The F series. As the owner of a very well used 9F ($150 with two 17 round mags), my first of 3 Sigmas, I've found it to be very reliable and a better FCG than the 9VE I bought new and sold for nearly what I paid for it new. The 9F is a fine gun, the 40F had fracture issues. The 9VE is a great pistol for the money, the 9F as well as one can be had cheaply.

[ColbyBruce]

I have owned a few Sigmas, never had one fail on me but I just don't care for polymer frames. That said, a local guy didn't care for the grey color of his Sigma frame and dyed it black using Ritz clothing dye. It worked, you can't scratch it off. It colored evenly throughout as well, and no color seems to be wearing off the frame rails.

If any of you Sigma owners choose to go this route, I would like to see a tye-dye version.

[LuddhaBuddha]

Originally posted by KKG:

I'm not just sure what you're referring to as "Around here..." but this is one Glock owner who doesn't have to be told anything about the Glock because I've found out for myself that they are as good, if not better, than anything else on the Market today. And, you can take your "Opinion" and stuff it where the Sun Don't Shine if you can find room with your head already there!!! I don't believe I've ever read any of your other Posts here but I've very sure that this is the LAST one I ever will!!!

I think by around here he meant in his area of residence, not the board.

[HOUSTON RICK]

I would like to pick up the green Sigma someday, but clearly it is not a need.

[rogerwnuss]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I kinda thought he meant it as humor. Surely no one could really think that about Glock owners-I mean, it's not like they are Walther P88s. That's one gun that might qualify as the Corvette of pistols, if any would. And I'm not putting down 'vette owners in general, but we've all encountered the type, right?
Anyways, I just got an SW99, I'm trying to re-acquire a Sigma I foolishly let go to a friend, and I've got 4 Glock .40 mags I'm holding on to as I look for a pistol to use 'em with, so no snob, I.

[Swabby]

I worked in gunshops from 1988 until 1996. The first Glocks I saw were strange to me, and to most others, not being accustomed to a polymer framed handgun. They were very hard to sell at first, but it only took a few months for them to really take off. I think it was not only the high quality of the gun, but also the marketing. We had counter mats, posters, decals, hats, patches, key chains, etc. They had a good product and knew how to market it. I don't remember ever having one come back with a problem. But during that same time, I sold a lot of Gen 2 and 3 Smiths and never had a problem with any of them either. I owned a Glock 17, it didn't fit my hand. The guy I sold it to loved it. I had a 4003 shortly after that, which I loved. I have an M&P 40 now that I like better than both of them. It is all personal preference. In these trying times that all gun owners must endure, why do some people find the need to fight among themselves? As long as pieces of Sigma aren't flying over in their lane, why should Glock guys care what you shoot, and visa versa? Until somebody else starts paying for my firearms, I'll shoot what I want.

[duckmart]

Well said Swabby!!!!

Originally posted by LuddhaBuddha: I think by around here he meant in his area of residence, not the board.

Whatever he meant or wherever he was talking about, his attitude sucks and I for one don't mind telling him so!

[hardcase]

Originally posted by Swabby:
Until somebody else starts paying for my firearms, I'll shoot what I want.

Seems to me that Swabby summed up the whole argument right there!

[WoodyUSSLUCE]

Swabby said what I feel ! I have a SW40VE and it performs great esp for the price.It fits my hand just right and has fed any ammo I've loaded it with so far.It is my SD pistol but I have others also from various brands. I judge a pistol by it's performance in my hands not just what I hear. If I found a great deal on a Glock when I was in the market for another pistol I might buy 1. I don't buy to impress I buy to shoot !

[GaDawg]

I'm not trying to bash anybody but the new sigma 40ve that I bought last weekend broke after 14 rounds were fired. I put it on UPS to go back to S&W this morning. I hope that this is a very unusual thing to happen. I like the way the gun fits, weight etc. I've owned quite a few firearms and this was a first for me.

P.S. Somebody on another thread said it was my fault for not field stripping the weapon before shooting. Well, that ignorant SOB doesn't know that I was a passenger for 2 hours after buying the sigma. During that time I went completely through the manual and fileds tripped the weapon till I could do it with my eyes closed!

[Andy Taylor]

I own a first generation 9mm. I inherited it when a friend passed away about a year and half ago. It was his duty weapon. I have about 400 rounds through it. My late friend put somewhere in the nieghborhood of 10,000 rounds through it. He sent it back to S&W once for a broken trigger return spring. Never had any other issues

[cshoff]

Originally posted by GaDawg:
I'm not trying to bash anybody but the new sigma 40ve that I bought last weekend broke after 14 rounds were fired. I put it on UPS to go back to S&W this morning. I hope that this is a very unusual thing to happen. I like the way the gun fits, weight etc. I've owned quite a few firearms and this was a first for me.

P.S. Somebody on another thread said it was my fault for not field stripping the weapon before shooting. Well, that ignorant SOB doesn't know that I was a passenger for 2 hours after buying the sigma. During that time I went completely through the manual and fileds tripped the weapon till I could do it with my eyes closed!

Did you clean it thoroughly while you had it field stripped, or did you just take it apart and put it back together multiple times?

[Plumbata]

The funny thing about all the Sigma/Smith and Wesson bashing is that I always offer to buy the "hunk of junk' from them.

They always decline. I wonder why that is?

[collector rob]

Well I've been a Glock fan for 15 years now. It's also my issued weapon at work.
But at $316.00 for a SW40GVE from budsgunshop.com I decided to take a chance. Hopefully it wont take to long to get here.

[gunhawk]

Originally posted by KKG:

Whatever he meant or wherever he was talking about, his attitude sucks and I for one don't mind telling him so!

True. But your whole "son don't shine" post was not exactly gracious either.

[walkin' trails]

I bought my first Glock, a 17 in 1987. I still have that gun, having carried it as a Border Patrol Agent when the patrol still allowed personally owned handguns. It was always reliable and held up to a lot of abuse. Its been packed full of dust, banged against rocks, and dunked in the Pacific Ocean once or twice. Its had a lot of rounds thru it and probably half were +P+. Even with a lot of rounds thru it, it was the gun I still chose to fire for record when I was selected to attend an FBI firearms instructor school. I currently own five Glocks in 9mm, 40, and 45.

I saw my first Sigma when they were first introduced in 9mm and recall that I noted the similarity between them and Glocks. Later I heard that Glock had sued S&W for infringements, but I never heard what the official outcome was for that. My personal experience with the Sigma is limited to a few rounds here and there. About the time that the Sigma was acquiring a bad reputation, S&W's ownership at the time was getting in bed with the Clinton regime, which didn't go over very well with honest American gun owners.

A police department in my area, like many, were die-hard S&W throughout the transition to semi autos. They authorized a 3rd generation pistol for years with good results until S&W discontinued that model. Then they switched to Sigmas in 40. The Sigma experience was apparently not what they expected and they switched to Glock. I still encounter their officers who are grandfathered to carry the Sigmas. Some carry guns that work. I've also seen some officers carrying Sigmas that needed some attention from an armorer, to say the least.

On the range, I am very surprised to see a Glock fail to function reliably. Still, they are mechanical devices and like any mechanical device, they can fail. I've also seen Sigs fail to function reliably when springs and other parts start to wear out or break. A Glock is down-right simple to fix in comparison with other pistols.

I recently purchased and M&P 45 and am thusfar very impressed. In my opinion, it is a better gun than the Sigma, and has some features I like over a Glock. The M&P will rightly give Glock some worthy competetion. I grew up on S&W revolvers and glad to see Smith producing a semi auto that is rock-solid quality and American made.

[Oldnoob]

It just seem like the trendy thing to do "bash the gun that cost less than mine".
I start my gun collection from the bottom of food chain, my first pistol was a Hi Point C9. You will not believe the bash I got when I told my gun friends. But I did do my research before I spend my hard earn money. And you know what, I did not regret a bit buying that C9, for the price, I got a decent reliable handgun that shoot decent group. I eventually leave everything it could teach me about it and move up to a Glock. But the bash continue, for it's not a HK, it's not a Sig...etc. Well, now I do own Sig 226, HK USPf, guess what? I'm still getting bash for not owning 1911. I figure even if I start with 1911 collection it will never end, there will always be the more expensive more customized gun out there.

[Oldnoob]

BTW, I might get a sigma soon, someone at my local range is selling his sigma 40ve for $250. Not a bad price in my neck of woods.

[GatorFarmer]

Did I tell you guys that I actually like that Lorcin .25 that I have? The shine grows on me.

Anyway, Sigmas... I have a Sigma. A 40VE. I traded it away, and ended up with it back. It lives in the closet. I also have Glocks and had an FNP and a H&K USP. There is a definite pecking order even in terms of the polymer guns. The Sigma is noticeably rougher in some respects than other guns that do in fact cost more.

That doesn't make it a ***, but it is what it is, an entry level "Value" gun. It works, at least in current incarnations. The early guns gave problems to many purchasers. Some have opined that the frame will eventually crack on all non railed versions. That I don't know. I do know that many departments that purchased the early Sigmas had numerous problems. It was a minor scandal that the County ended up with them where I used to live owing to the problems.

[growr]

Is it just me or is there a great deal of irony in the fact that many will bash the Sigma and think that a Glock is the ultimate, and yet it was Glock that sued S&W because it was a near clone of a Glock. Too close for comfort..if I recall aren't some of the parts interchangeable? Could be wrong on that....just thinking out loud here..
Randy

[conn ak]

yeah, S&W stole the basic design from Glock with the Sigma. Nobody seems clear on the nature of the lawsuit, but that might explain why the F-series Sigma had such a superior trigger/striker when compared to after model Sigmas. I can't believe Kel-Tec hasn't sued Ruger for an out and out patent infringement of the LCP. But, then again, everybody robbed Browning's designs.

[GaDawg]

I just got my gun back from s&w. The back end where the slide meets the back of the base of the gun doesn't look right. There are gaps btwen the pieces that looks like it is missing something. Can somebody post a pic of the gun looking from the rear towards the front?

[Practical]

This thread is as big a waste of time as the threads you complaing about.

[GaDawg]

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These gaps in the back of the gun, are they normal?

[GaDawg]

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[GaDawg]

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Are these gaps normal?

[scottaschultz]

The gap is fine, but I am worried about your patio!

Scott

[GaDawg]

You know I just don't remember that gap when I bought it. I'm going at lunch to look at another one just to put my mind at rest. Not that I don't belive you, I just have to see it for myself. Don't worry about the patio, It's brand new so I won't be shooting it anytime soon!

[SQUIREBANDON]

Yeah so new that you haven't put any grout in yet? I think he was talking about the "gaps" between the tiles...

[SQUIREBANDON]

And as for your gun, it looks like the piece on the right broke off possibly? I don't have mine here at work with me or I'd check for ya. But look and see if it looks like a little piece broke off under the slide on the back right there.

[BeatlesSteve]

Mine looks like that too, I noticed it last weekend after I took the slide off to clean it. When I put the slide back on it looks exactly like yours does.

I don't think there is an issue with it as I have put 200 rounds through it since then and have not had a problem.

I would be interested to know what the gap is though.

[Camprunner]

Don't shoot that piece of ****!!

Just kidding just go to the range and shoot the crape out of it and enjoy yourself!

[GaDawg]

I went at lunch and looked at a new one. It looks exactly the same. Just looks strange to me, it does shoot well after you get used to the trigger and the fact that you have to line the end sight up just a squint above the rear sights or it will shoot low.

[WoodyUSSLUCE]

Mine looks the same way too so I'd have to say it's normal !

[conn ak]

Originally posted by GaDawg:
You know I just don't remember that gap when I bought it. I'm going at lunch to look at another one just to put my mind at rest. Not that I don't belive you, I just have to see it for myself. Don't worry about the patio, It's brand new so I won't be shooting it anytime soon!

That's exactly how it is supposed to look. The 9VE is more balanced in its notches, but the 40VE looks just like that....

[masterblaster303]

Well I have been watching this thread for a bit and ....well what can i say. I have owned 2 sigmas and i have since got rid of them. The bashing is pretty much un called for. But in my mind the Glock is a much better pistol. The Sigma is a great pistol at its price point. But With all the police turn ins a 90% Glock can be had for 300-350 and at that price point well I think you get the idea. My only real gripe with the sigma is the ACLU trigger, and the design really dosent lend itself to much improvemnet un like the Glock. I much perfer the "metal" S&W autos over the sigma and the M&P I will say that the Sima does feel good in the hand but the trigger sucks. I own 5 Glocks and 9 S&W autos so I dont feel like I am a snob one way or another. Is a Glock 250.00 more of a gun that a Sigma .....NO but a good used Glock or 3 gen or CZ is a better pistol Just my .02 cents

[BunnySlayer]

I own two glocks and like them. Own three Smiths and like them, I own two Brownings and like them I own three Colts and like them. Never owned a Sigma but I'd probably find something to like about it too. I guess I'm just a gun slut! Hehehe