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Old 04-23-2011, 09:37 PM
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Just a little reminder, every day I get email requests and PM's.
The choices of these are getting to be limited.

Available remaining barrels;

In the 9 m.m. bore, (9x19, .356 TSW, .357 SIG, 9x23 Winchester and 9x25 Dillon)
There are;
4 - 4.25" barrels available and
1 - 5.00" barrels available. (LAST ONE)

Slightly more remaining in the .40 S&W/10 m.m. bore, because I figured for twice the quantity.
There are;
9 - 4.25" barrels available and
14 - 5.00" available.

I thought more people would be interested in the .40 S&W conversion than the 9's and the .357 SIG
I now know better for next time, although it will probably be a smaller run being the market will be saturated, maybe?
"Hindsight is always 20/20"

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Old 05-04-2011, 01:38 AM
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Just a ping to make sure that I am on the list for a drop in 40S&W 1006 barrel (and a free thread bump). Can't remember if I ever clarified.
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Default Production Update - Number of Remaining Conversion Barrels Available ! ! !

Remat457,
Thanks for the "ping", I've got you in the mix.

Things have been moving along, although slowly.
Because I want to insure quality concentricity and tolerance of these barrels.

As I stated earlier;
The blanks came in a little over a month ago and because of the barrel supplier giving me gun drilled/riffled
blanks that were not quite to the stated concentricity tolerance to the O.D., in one of the batches.

It has forced me to re-engineer the design,
having to add a couple of operations to true up the parts to the through bores utilizing centers,
allowing me to drive off of more controlled surfaces (Diameters) that I have now created.

The long story - short version is that the irony of this;
because of this oversight on the part of the barrel supplier it will result in a much more quality end product.

I have to say that I wish I had thought of processing them in this manner in the beginning
so as not to have to change around all my CAD/CAM designs/drawings.
See note: "Hindsight is always 20/20"

The other thing I would like to add is that it appears that the quantities that I initially selected is close to working out perfect.
Without taking a poll in the beginning, there was no real way to judge what the response would have been and that would have added quite a bit of time to this little project.

If everyone follows through with their verbal requests,
it will leave me with very few to advertise on the other forums and that's OK for the first production run.

Just a little reminder, every day I get email requests and PM's.
The choices of these are getting to be limited.

Available remaining barrels;

In the 9 m.m. bore, (9x19, .356 TSW, .357 SIG, 9x23 Winchester and 9x25 Dillon)
There are;
3 - 4.25" barrels available and
1 - 5.00" barrels available. (LAST ONE)

Slightly more remaining in the .40 S&W/10 m.m. bore, because I figured for twice the quantity.
There are;
5 - 4.25" barrels available and
14 - 5.00" available.

Regards,
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Old 05-05-2011, 12:18 PM
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I would like one of the 4.25" .357 Sig barrels in a drop-in configuration. I will send a PM
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Old 05-12-2011, 12:05 AM
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Default I CAN NO LONGER COMMIT TO A 5"- 9 m.m. BARREL TO YOU IF YOU PLACE AN ORDER FOR A 10XX

I CAN NO LONGER COMMIT TO A 5.00" - 9 m.m. BARREL TO YOU IF YOU PLACE A VERBAL ORDER FOR THE 1006 CONVERSION BARREL.

Please read carefully.

It's OK to still put in a verbal order, as that's what they all have been.
But I can't promise you one from this point on.
I will still put you in my Excel spreadsheet, but these requests become the "alternates".
Anyone that does not give the confirming purchase order ($) when the time comes to pay for their order will give up their place in line and those orders will go to the "alternates".
I will contact everyone that has posted here, PM'ed me and Emailed me.
At that point you can confirm your order, either by a USPS Money Order or a Phone-In VISA or MASTERCARD.
After everyone has been contacted, I will probably figure on a two-week window for payment commitment.

We should have all the pertinent information up on our website soon.


These are the available remaining barrels;

In the 9 m.m. bore, (9x19, .356 TSW, .357 SIG, 9x23 Winchester and 9x25 Dillon)
There are;
1 - 4.25" barrels available (LAST ONE)
1 - 5.00" barrels available. (LAST ONE)

Slightly more remaining in the .40 S&W/10 m.m. bore, because I figured for twice the quantity.
There are;
5 - 4.25" barrels available
11 - 5.00" barrels available.

I think it's fair to say that it looks like everyone and anyone that wanted one has said so.
So, it looks like these remaining .40/10's are going to be used for the requests for the 4516-2 and 4536 - 10 m.m. project.

This is quite a project with all the caliber combinations and lengths for all the different models to keep track of, please continue to be patient.

Regards,
BM1

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I didn't get one?
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Old 05-13-2011, 01:48 AM
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I didn't get one?
You did now, sorry.
Had about 100 to send out.
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Best regards to all!
Shadow1006,
Thanks for the bump.

This is what went out:

Hi Guys,
This is a mass mailing.

The barrel conversion project is all coming together and I need to make sure that I have all the proper information.

For some this might be repetitive, but please fill in all the lines of information.

With over 100 contacts that I have to get this out to, I might have sent this to you via email.
It's ok if this is repeated information, I just need make sure.

Do not reply to this PM.
Please email me at:
[email protected]
My inbox on the forum keeps getting filled up.
(There are "underbars" between the words bad_man_one)

If I sent this to you by mistake, please disregard.

Thank you,
BM1



Order information / Date
Name
Street Address
Apt#
City / Town
Zip Code

Good Phone # that you CAN be reached at.

E-mail Address

Smith & Wesson Forum Name

Barrel / Caliber

Length
(3.75" - 4516-2, 4536)
(4.25" - 1066, 1076, 1086)
(5.00" - 1006, 1026, 1046, 4506-1)

S&W Model Number

Class of fit # 1 2 3 4

Payment Method
USPS Money Order
or
VISA
or
MASTER CARD

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Email sent.
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You did now, sorry.
Had about 100 to send out.
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Got it! NP, just didn't want to miss out
Email reply sent.

Thanks
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Old 05-16-2011, 10:33 PM
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Default Closing out the ordering of these barrels soon, not many left, act now!

Had a two cancelations.

These are the available remaining barrels;

In the 9 m.m. bore, (9x19, .356 TSW, .357 SIG, 9x23 Winchester and 9x25 Dillon)
There are now;
2 - 4.25" barrels available.
0 - 5.00" barrels available. (NONE LEFT)
***Still taking names for a chance to get in on a cancelation.***


Slightly more remaining in the .40 S&W/10 m.m. bore, because I figured for twice the quantity.
There are now;
2 - 4.25" barrels available.
5 - 5.00" barrels available.


Today I took 12 of the .40 S&W/10 m.m. bore blanks and shortened them commiting them to the 4516-1, -2 and 4536 barrels.
There are now;
4 - 3.75" barrels available.


This is quite a project with all the caliber combinations and lengths for all the different models to keep track of, please continue to be patient.
You should see my Excel Spreadsheet, holy cow.

Regards,
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Old 05-18-2011, 09:08 AM
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Default LATEST UPDATE - Barrles for the 9's and .40/10mm for the 10XX, ORDERING IS NOW CLOSED

There are no more barrels for the 10XX series in the 9 m.m. and .40 S&W/10 m.m. bore.
I will still take names and you will only get one if someone cancels out.

Yesterday I took 15 of the .40 S&W/10 m.m. bore blanks and shortened them commiting them to the 4516-1, -2 and 4536 barrels and now the 457

There are now;
4 - 3.75" for the .45 barrels available.


This is quite a project with all the caliber combinations and lengths for all the different models to keep track of, please continue to be patient.
You should see my Excel Spreadsheet, holy cow.

Regards,
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Old 05-18-2011, 12:42 PM
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When you get this project wrapped up and are ready to do the 30 Luger for the 39/59 family let us know.
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Old 05-20-2011, 09:43 PM
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Default This is the third and final notice, if I can not contact you, you will miss out here.

I am putting together the third and final mass PM-ing.
To PM those involved takes quite a bit of time, it only allows three (3) at a time.

You will not get a PM if I have the information already.

I need to compile all my data to be able to contact everyone when the time comes.

I do not have everybody's contact information.(email address, real name, shipping address, phone #'s)

You know who you are, I do not want to post names on the forum.
C'mon guys, get me the pertinent info, or your going to lose out.

Please email me - [email protected]
The bad man one words are separated by "underbars" (_),
they do not show up as part of the underlined email address.
They must be in there (bad_man_one).

The order information I need is;

The date that you first said that you wanted a barrel(s), this is very important.
The earlier that I can confirm my date listed with yours, the better off you are.
I have a list of alternates that want to get in on any cancelation.

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Good Phone # that you CAN be reached at.

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(4.25" - 1066, 1076, 1086)
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Class of fit # 1, 2, 3 or 4

Payment Method:
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Old 05-27-2011, 12:20 AM
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Thanks for all your work on this!
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Hi All,
It has been a little over a month since I have given an update on the barrels.
Yes, things have gotten a little stalled.
I have not been able to get into the shops CNC machines because as I have mentioned in the forum posts previously.
The shop that I am working with has it's bread and butter work to do and it comes first.
Started a set-up on a CNC rough milling operation 5/24.

Since I didn't have the openings in the CNC milling machines for the conversion barrels, I have kept quite busy.

In the manual Bridgeport I've been working on 4516/4506 8 rd. magazine grip extensions, magazines for 4013 - 10 m.m. conversions
and also some extended slide stop assemblies.

Also trying to figure out a CS-40/10 m.m. conversion.
I thought that finding the heavy duty springs was going to be the issue here, but I have some samples coming in the mail.
It's trying to find a spare factory barrel that has been impossible.
I would rather not commit mine to 10 m.m. until I am confident of it's function ability by using a test barrel first.
I do not want to end up having a beautiful Aluminum and Stainless Steel door stop/paper weight.

I have thought taking a couple from the conversion barrel project that have "not been spoken for" and adding that to the production matrix.
But, as I said, I would like to do some testing before I commit those also.

Speaking of barrels that have "not been spoken for".
There are a few forum members that have said that they wanted a barrel(s) and I have not heard from you, I have sent out 4 PM's to each of them.
Saying that if I do not have your contact information, I will remove you from the mix.
I know this sounds harsh, but I also see that some of those same members are active on the forum.
It's not like I asking for the funds at this time, I would just like the commitment of contact information so I know what I have for spare barrels.

I am still at a point that I can turn some of the longer blanks into some of the shorter ones for the guys
that I had to put on the list of "alternates" that are waiting for a barrel commitment by me.

I will PM those folks (1) ONE more time, as I have done (4) four or more times already and gave you 10-14 days to reply each time.
Now, if I get no immediate response, as I mentioned in the previous PM's to you, I will be forced to pull your name from the list.
I think I have been all to fair with my request for contact information-commitment without asking for any funds.

For all the rest of you good folks that have been actively been following this process,
Thank you for your support and your patients,
Regards,
BM1
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:22 AM
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BM1, Thanks for the update! I'm am very patient and wouldn't want you to rush any part of the setup and milling operations. Best regards!
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Thanks for the update.
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BM1... anything worthwhile is worth waiting for, and in the end it will just make the results even more sweet. Thanks much for your efforts!!
Gunhacker,
I sure hope that is how everyone feels.
It seems like many things with my family life are diverting me lately.

As you all know also, e-mails, PM's and posting takes soooooo much time, ahh, technology.

Keep the faith, though.
So far, I am always plugging along in the correct direction.

Regards,
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Here is a quick picture of a rough milled part, just to "wet the whistle".
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Thanks, for the picture update, that is so neat. Lookig great!

BTW, I just lit off a 357Sig with Zero 121gr JHP (0.356" these were for 38 Super), 10.8 grs of Blue Dot @ 1331 fps, from the 3.78" Lone Wolf Dist. conversion which function well with the 21lb spring also. This exploded & penetrated two one gallon jugs of water (12" of water) and found the slug with a perfect mushroom 0.680" & 100% weight retension in the dirt berm about 3". Man I like this Glock-29!


After seeing the picture of the barrel progress, I am fired up to test in the 357 Sig conversion in the S&W 10xx series, when they arrive!

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I'm am so looking forward to getting my conversion barrels from Bad_Man_One for my S&W 10xx series pistols.

Here are the conversions for my Glock 29...
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Hi all, New member here. I found the forum after contacting Bad_Man_One through a web search. I have a 1006 and have indicated my desire to get a 5" 40 cal barrel. In his posts he indicated 4 levels of barrel fit. Could someone please give examples of accuracy effects of these options? I think I could handle the #2 option by myself, but I do not have the equipment or skill level to do 3 or 4 myself. I am a home defense / casual target shooter user. Any recomendations / comments / opinions would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi all, New member here. I found the forum after contacting Bad_Man_One through a web search. I have a 1006 and have indicated my desire to get a 5" 40 cal barrel. In his posts he indicated 4 levels of barrel fit. Could someone please give examples of accuracy effects of these options? I think I could handle the #2 option by myself, but I do not have the equipment or skill level to do 3 or 4 myself. I am a home defense / casual target shooter user. Any recomendations / comments / opinions would be greatly appreciated.
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Hey G,
Just sent a pm.

For "Target shooting and home defense" most go with a "#1 fit - drop in"
If you are capable of polishing the spherical diameter down a little then I recommend option #2.
It does not cost any more, but you have to be very careful as to not remove to much.

Fit option #1 to allow for a drop in fit, I have to give .001" to .0015" clearance to fit all guns.
Based on the guns that I have been able to check the size of the barrel bushings.
There will be tighter ones and looser ones, I do not know what S&W was trying to hold for tolerance of the bushing.

If you look at the length of a 5.00" barrel compared to a target @ 50 ft,
It reduces accuracy at 50 ft. by about 1/8" to 3/16" by the math based on similar triangles.

.001" is to 5.00" as .120" is to 600 " (50 ft) and so on.

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Got your PM and undertand front bushing issue.
Options 3 or 4 sound more complex... what do they bring to the party. I assume there must be a good reason for doing them, I would just like to know what that is?
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Keep the faith, though.
So far, I am always plugging along in the correct direction.

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Here is a quick picture of a rough milled part, just to "wet the whistle".
Sort of bumping this post to the top...
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Based on email from S&W, I put 100 rnds of 40cal through my 1006 on Wednesday. No problems with fire or feed with one exception. I limp-wristed one to see what would happen and got a no feed. I am still going to buy the 40 barrel from bad_man_one for two reasons:

1. The gun was absolutly filthy after 100 rnds of 40 and 100 of 10. Looked more like 500.

2. just seems safer and can only increase value of gun to have 2 option barrels.

Bad... looking forward to playing with the new barrel.
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Can you elaborate what this email said and who it was from?
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Below is a text copy of the email that was sent back and forth between myself and S&W customer support.
Read from bottom up to see continuity.

From: Degray, Don <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 12:20 PM
To: Gerry Conway
Subject: RE: Re my 1006

Gerry,

Best thing is just one round test. The casings are the same diameter.

Don

From: Gerry Conway [mailto:deleted]
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:03 PM
To: Degray, Don
Subject: RE: Re my 1006

Thank you for the quick response!
One further related question:
I am seeing a lot of internet posts warning of “head space” issues and damage
to the 1006 as a result, when using 40 cal. Is that just BS?
are there any issues to look out for when putting 40 cal through a 1006?


Gerry

From: Degray, Don [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 7:35 AM
To: Gerry Conway
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Gerry,

You can shoot 40cal in a 10mm.

Don

From: Gerry Conway [mailto:deleted]
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 7:33 PM
To: Smith & Wesson Support
Subject: Re my 1006

Due to limitations on ammo, I am trying to find out if my 1006 can safely fire 40 cal ammo?
if not, is there a way to purchase a conversion kit to get to 40 cal (or any other common caliber?)

Thank you in advance for any assistance.


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Guys,
If/when you fire .40 cal in a 10 m.m., it will work.
But,
Since your not locating the brass from the end of the case, you risk breaking your extractor.
That's what's holding it from dropping in too deep.
You will also get a carbon build up and then might not be able to drop in a 10 m.m. without a good chamber cleaning.
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There is some degradation of performance shooting the 40S&W cartridge inside the 10mm chamber because of the amount of bullet jump to engage the rifling to seal the bore.

The by passing of gases, doesn't allow for full development of pressures, this leads to incompletely burning the powder and this leads to the drity burn and heavy sooting which was seen in Gerry Conway test.

By shooting the 40S&W cartridge in the proper chamber such as a conversion barrel maintains the true performance. Adds to the safety/reliability and longevety of the pistol over all! Cleaner pistol too!
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I'm truly surprised that a company rep would recommend shooting a cartridge in a pistol that said pistol wasn't designed, or chambered, for. I'm quite certain that his bosses don't know he's giving out this kind of advice. It goes against everything they print in their company literature and the warnings posted in the instructions for their products.

With this said, let me say that I did do an experiment a couple of years ago, which I posted on the CZClone Forum, where I'm a moderator. In that experiment, I fired 9x19 ammunition in a 9x21 barrel, 9x19 and 9x21 ammunition in a .38 Super barrel and .40 S&W ammunition in a 10mm barrel. They all fired and functioned just fine, but I don't recommend doing this. There is much too much stress on the extractor, which is the only thing holding the casing against the boltface.

I have regularly fired 9x23 Winchester ammunition in a .38 Super barrel, since the main difference is a tapered case vs. a straight case, but the lengths are identical. The 9x23 Winchester case is so thick that even after firing in a .38 Super barrel, the expended, unsized, case will still drop into a 9x23 case gauge, unlike a .38 Super case. Once again, I don't recommend this practice to anyone.

Hope this helps.

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As stated in my earlier post, the barrel was very dirty, and that is why I am still buying the barrel from BM1.

Just to clarify... the reason I sent the email to S&W in the first place is that I remember the salesman at the gun shop showing me that the 10xx series was advertised as dual capability 10mm/40cal by S&W in early literature.

the MANUAL states "no cartridge except those stamped on the barrel should be used." This warning is in the but-covering legalese section of the manul.

I am not trying to start an argument here, just passing along the information.
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I am not trying to start an argument here, just passing along the information.
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I appreciate you posting the info. I am just a little surprised at S&W which is usually very conservative from a liability standpoint. The rep's statement that it is best to try one round first tells me that it is not a "best" practice :P
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You bring up an interesting point. In the manuals S&W says...
DO NOT use +P or +P+ rounds; however, the REASON given is not the preasure generated by these rounds, but the "unreliable variations" in these types of rounds. I have to admit that I was supprised by the initial responce from S&W. That is why I sent the email back asking for clarificaton.

I will also tell you that I used a different email address to ask the same basic question and got the same basic responce from a different S&W employee.

I am by far no expert, so this is just my opinion without any qualification to back it up: I would use 40 cal through my 1006 without hesitation if 10mm ammo was not available. I will NOT use 40 cal now because it is an un-necessary risk at this time. If for any reason BM1 cannot provide the barrels as discussed; I would sell my 1006 and replace with a 40 cal.

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Why don't you take up handloading instead of selling you S&W1006? With the same set of dies you can load the 10mm and the 40S&W cartridges...You can adjust your loadings accordingly to suit your needs for your pistols. There are many options as far as presses go fit your budget and needs.

I was handloading way before the 10mm cartridge came out, fantastic hobby BTW. I have loaded for my 1006 from day one developed loads using certain powders before they were listed in the normal handloading manuals. More recently I have added the 9x25Dillon (10mm necked down to 9mm) and the 357Sig (40S&W necked down to 9mm) to my handloading activities. I have loaded many from mild to extremely wild ballistic performance safely over the past 30+ years. You set your own quality controls to build ammunition that can deliver match grade performance.

BM1 is also making a few barrels for me, to add to my 10xx series to add even more flexibility to the S&W platform!

Heck, if you decide not to load your own, send me your brass, so I can play a little more! I'll provide you my address and reimburse you the shipping!
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Actually, I reloaded for years. My issues are as follows:
1. I live in California so…
a) Outside shooting areas are sparse. (San Diego)
b) Recovering “range brass” is difficult at best.
c) The cost of New “brass / bullet” is still quite expensive in 10mm
d) Can’t use reloads for self-defense (lawsuits)
e) I was not “consistent” enough in my reloading.

2. Cost currently a box of 50 10mm 180 grn JHP runs $37.00 before tax
3. Pretty much the only 10mm easily available is the above.
4. 40 cal JHP runs about 23-25 per box. FMJ /wad-cutter are about 20.

I enjoyed reloading ( it felt peaceful to me) but that appeared to be the only plus.

I appreciate all the helpful advice. You guys on this site seem to be more concerned with passing information and being helpful, with reasonable discussions rather than “mine is bigger than yours (no pun intended) wars.” I realize I am new and I appreciate the fact that “newbies” seem to be treated with the same consideration as long time posters. If anyone knows places for inexpensive 10 brass or bullets, please let me know.

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Dan & Kay Scharch (Top Brass) make 10mm brass that is on a par with the best. They currently have it in stock: Untitled Document

As for bullets, there are numerous companies making bullets for the .40/10mm calibers, i.e.; Berry's, Rainier, Montana Gold, etc. There are also numerous companies casting excellent bullets for these calibers. One I would recommend is Missouri Bullet Company: Missouri Bullet Company

I'm still shaking my head at S&W recommending shooting .40 S&W in a 10mm barrel...... No argument from me, just shaking my head. I'll have to ask them about that at the SHOT Show this coming January.

Hope this helps.

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I guess I should have been more specific, or at least given more thought to the question before posting...
I live in San Diego, California. The cost of shipping would drive the prices up unless buying "LARGE" quantities.

Any suggestions that would be more "local?"
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While shipping has been steadly going up the price of fuel has made driving around looking cost prohibitive as well, that and things like taxes added for local sales, make buying thru the mail somewhat even out!

Haz-mat shipping that's another situation altogether...
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A lot of places use the USPS Flat Rate Boxes and only charge the actual shipping charge. I know that Missouri Bullet does, so you can get a couple thousand bullets for about $12.00 shipping. That's cheaper than driving a couple of miles to and fro, looking for bullets that might not be there.

There's also no HazMat fee on bullets and brass, only powder and primers. I order a lot of my components on-line and let the Post Office do the driving. I currently load for 31 different calibers and it's much easier for me to order that way. Besides, I live in a small town on the coast and there just isn't anywhere nearby that I can buy what I need, so I either order or make it myself (bullets).

Hope this helps.

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Thanks for all the info.

I have more reloader questions, but I finally noticed there is an AMMO and RELOADING area, so I will post them there.
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Hey BM1! any updates as to start of delivery>

Not to be a pain, just excited.
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Not trying to make any excuses but last I heard, B_M_1 had some personal things he was dealing with (done I think) and the shop where he was using the CNC equipment was busy as all get out doing production runs. I don't know how he faired with the recent storms although he didn't speak of any issues.
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Not trying to make any excuses but last I heard, B_M_1 had some personal things he was dealing with (done I think) and the shop where he was using the CNC equipment was busy as all get out doing production runs. I don't know how he faired with the recent storms although he didn't speak of any issues.
I had also communicated with him in the last 3 weeks. He said that there would be some delays, but he hoped to get back on track soon. I hope all is well with him now, for his benifit and ours.
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Shadow1006, G_Conway, et all,
Thanks,
Out of town again til' at least the start of next week.
Shops machines still tied up.
Looking into some alternatives..................
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Just found this thread and it sounds very exciting. I would be very interested in a .357sig for my 4006.
I have a Porsche, (go figure from my handle), and belong to a forum. A fellow wanted to make custom forged Fuchs in 17" for our cars. It was a long hard project. Took maybe two years but the wheels became reality and were/are stunning. I have a set and yes they were worth the wait.
Keep up the good work BM1 and looking forward to the next set for our 4006's.
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A 357 Sig barrel for my 1076 would be awesome.

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Something I just propossed to BM1. What do you guys think?

Crazy idea for you, have you ever shot skeet with an over/under 12ga using sub-gauge tubes? Would it be possible to create a 357 Sig barrel that is threaded at the muzzle end so that you just drop it in the 10mm barrel and then screw on a cap on the muzzle end to secure it in place? Basically a sleeved barrel + the step down for the botttlenecked cartridge.

If the thicknesses allowed it this seems a simpler axnswer to producing a whole barrel.

Thoughts?
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