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03-19-2012, 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Rastoff
Actually I have managed to put 540 rounds through my new S&W 1911. All is not rosy.
The second type of failure to feed is simply the round not going fully into battery. This has happened only once before today, but more than 5 times today. Here is what this type looks like:
That is not a spent shell, but is a live round that just didn't go in the chamber.
Y'all got any idea on how to fix these issues? I should mention that I'm a lefty.
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I had that same FTF problem with a new 4566TSW. I noticed that there was a circular scratch on the rim of the cartridge that failed to feed. Close scrutiny of the bolt face revealed a burr around the firing pin hole. I deduced that as the follower pushed the round up, the cartridge rim slid up the bolt face and stopped as the burr caught on the rim of the cartridge.
I carefully de-burred the firing pin hole by spinning a drill bit, larger than the firing pin hole, with my fingers. I have had no further failures to feed with that gun.
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03-19-2012, 09:51 AM
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That's a good idea and certainly something to check. Any roughness or irregularity on the breech face is not good.
I hope S&W has your gun straightened out and that you will be fine with it from now on. The gun should work properly with good ammunition and with the factory mags. Avoid the cheap, off-brand ammunition (particularly anything with steel cases) and be mindful of your grip. Wilson mags are sort of the gold standard in 1911 magazines. If you decide to buy any more, you might try one of theirs. I hope you have good luck with your gun.
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03-26-2012, 03:55 AM
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Yup
I've been having the exact same problem with my standard sw1911 and in my research I've found that you and I are not the only ones.
I'm getting ready to send mine in for repairs this week and regardless if Smith is able to fix it or not I'm getting rid of the damn thing.
A gun, especially one over $1,000, especially one from a manufacture with a reputation like Smith, should not need to go straight back for repairs after purchase or require special modifications/accessories to operate properly or reliably. This will probably be the last Smith & Wesson I'll spend money on; my trust and confidence in their firearms has been shaken.
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03-26-2012, 08:58 AM
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Too bad you are having problems....I ran over 3000 rounds through my 1911 Sc (JRE 4825) with NO hiccups before it was stolen from me. Great gun in ALL regards!
I hope yours will be in that same status soon as well.....
Randy
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03-26-2012, 05:10 PM
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. ALL of my bolt over base issues have stemmed from under powered mag springs and/or plastic followers. Unless there's a breach face problem or the upper part of the chamber needing to be smoothed out, the mag springs are highly suspect. Just because two magazines came with the pistol doesn't mean they'll work sot after shot. That was my case at any rate. I swapped out the factory mags for Checkmate 7 round mags with 11# Wolff springs and my feed problems vanished. Maybe I was lucky and hit the right combination but it's worth looking into.
My problems were usually on the last round or the one before it. That's when the springs are at their weakest and it'll especially tell the tale with full power hardball or the equivalent hollow point. If that don't work, I look for extractor tension being too tight but usually it's the above. Just relating my experience with my Commander. Fortunately, I've had no problems with the SW1911 "billboard" variety-not even with the Wilson mags! That's quite a feat.
This is from the "horses mouth"...
"The classic Bolt Over Base misfeed...sometimes referred to as the "Live Round Stovepipe."
Here, the cartridge doesn't get into feeding position in time to meet the slide. The lower edge of the breechface catches the case in the extractor groove. The butt-end of the round is pushed down, and the nose goes up. The case is caught between the slide and the barrel hood...and is standing more or less straight up, mocking you and laughing defiantly.
This is a magazine spring problem, pure and simple. Often made worse by overspringing the slide. Simple explanation...The slide literally outruns the magazine. More likely to happen near or on the last round when spring load is at a minimum.
The BOB misfeed is closely related to the "Rideover" misfeed, and is caused by the same issues. In this one, the slide catches the case further forward, and actually rids over the top of it. In extreme cases, the slide goes to battery on an empty chamber. Most often, though...it pushes the bullet nose hard into the lower part of the feed ramp, and gouges the case...often tying the gun up solidly. Here is a true jam.
http://www.americanclassic1911forum....-Feed-Failures
Last edited by ColColt; 03-26-2012 at 05:17 PM.
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03-27-2012, 11:40 PM
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I thank everyone for their suggestions, but I'm done. The gun has had more failures and my confidence is so far gone now that I just can't trust it. Even if I sent it back a third time and they fixed it, it would take virtually the price of the gun worth of ammo for me to regain my confidence in it. That's not a logical course of action.
So, I called S&W and they will refund my money. I will be looking for another gun.
In all this S&W customer service has been good. Fast shipping, courteous people make for quality customer care. I'm just sorry we couldn't get it fixed.
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03-27-2012, 11:53 PM
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Pick up a gun with a looser fit.I have a few tight guns which can be great for target shooting,but they can be touchy,as you have learned.I happen to like the new series 70 colts.
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