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05-06-2012, 05:55 PM
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S&W 4013 Barrel Damaging Frame
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This is my first post on this forum. Been visiting a while and learning lots and lots from all the valuable and educational posts in these forums. I just recently picked up a 4013 from a buddy of mine. I took it out to the range yesterday and shot 100 rounds of Winchester 165 and 50 rounds of Federal 180, both from Wally World. No problems whatsoever, and the gun seemed to cycle just fine. Lots of fun I disassembled firearm to clean today, and I noticed some interesting and alarming wear marks on the frame, where the barrel meets/rests against it. I am fairly new to guns, so my vocabulary isn't up to par, so I highlighted the area in my attached pictures. Any thoughts about this? As you can see, held in right hand, index finger side is the worst, with top corner being gone. Other side isn't as bad, but does show signs of wear as well. Is this a sign of bad things to come? Has anyone else experienced this on their alloy framed Smith? Thanks for any input.
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05-06-2012, 06:19 PM
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My 4013TSW has the same damage. I'm not worried about it..I suspect that it's normal.
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05-07-2012, 09:56 AM
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My 4013TSW has the same damage. I'm not worried about it..I suspect that it's normal.
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Do you shoot your 4013 often?
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05-07-2012, 11:00 AM
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Back when the 4013TSW came out I bought none. After I'd fired a little more than 2,500 rounds through mine I noticed some peening down inside the frame's barrel camming surfaces.
I showed it to a rep from S&W one day and he told his own 4003TSW's (aluminum framed full-size .40's) had the same type and amount of peening ... except they'd both been fired about 25,000 rounds each (competition guns).
He said it wasn't uncommon in the alloy guns and usually reached a point where it didn't get any worse. Mine remained the same for many more rounds, but I haven't used that gun for several years. I carried an issued one for a short while, and it quickly developed some similar peening/marking, but like my own 4013TSW, it continued to run normally.
This is my 4013TSW frame at the present time:
My other alloy framed 3rd gen's have similar peening, to greater or lesser amounts (9's/.45's).
The part that would bother me is the missing chunk at the top of the lug on one side of the poster's 4013 (based on what's visible in one of the pictures). Never saw that before.
I wouldn't shoot this particular 4013 further until the factory had examined it and determined it was safe to continue to use.
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05-07-2012, 07:31 PM
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This is an interesting post or problem. I have three 4013's, the single stack on .45 frame, the 4013 TSW non rail, and the 4013 rail TSW(.40tactical). The the single stack shows more peening of the locking lug. The original posters pictures are of the single stack I assume. What is a big difference between them all is the barrel configuration. In the attached pictures, the barrel on the right is the single stack, it is 43% heavier than the TSW's 3.20 oz vs 2.24 oz. even with the milled slab sides. On the single stack barrel the locking lugs have a small chamfer or bevel on the edges, which reduce the contact area and shows on the alloy frame. I am not sure if this was a factory bevel or something a previous owner might have done.
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05-07-2012, 08:32 PM
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I am glad I put a buffer in mine, I hope it will slow down or stop this type of wear. What do you guys think?
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05-08-2012, 09:42 AM
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Yes you are correct, my pics are of a single stack 4013. My barrel looks similar to yours with the beefier body. After talking to a Smith rep yesterday, he says my 1993 pistol is still safe to shoot, but the pictures I sent him (same seen here) tells him that it's getting to the end of it's service life. He didn't say how much life left, but to keep an eye on those cams, the slide wear as a result of cam wear, and help extend the life with that TLC the previous owners failed to provide. Oh well... it was FUN FUN FUN to shoot 150 rds through it on Saturday.
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This is an interesting post or problem. I have three 4013's, the single stack on .45 frame, the 4013 TSW non rail, and the 4013 rail TSW(.40tactical). The the single stack shows more peening of the locking lug. The original posters pictures are of the single stack I assume. What is a big difference between them all is the barrel configuration. In the attached pictures, the barrel on the right is the single stack, it is 43% heavier than the TSW's 3.20 oz vs 2.24 oz. even with the milled slab sides. On the single stack barrel the locking lugs have a small chamfer or bevel on the edges, which reduce the contact area and shows on the alloy frame. I am not sure if this was a factory bevel or something a previous owner might have done.
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My 3913 has the same damage, although no where near as bad. I suspect your 4013 has way more rounds through it.
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Most alloy frames will show wear there and on top of the rails where the barrel rides during recoil. I would install a new recoil spring just to be on the safe side. Later 4013s' used a dual spring, which is only available from S&W. If your gun has the single you can get it from S&W or Wolff.
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Heavier springs for the dual recoil spring set-up
Wolff has heavy duty springs that will replace the outer spring in a dual recoil spring set-up.
I use them in my 4013 single stack to 10mm conversions.
Please read the thread:
1013/4013 Here it is, history in the making & 4516-1, -2, 4536 and 457 in 10 m.m.
Wolff #477XX, I use a 47723 in my 4013/10mm and a factory stock inner.
See pictures in post #1.
•Reduced Power...: 15 Lb.
•Factory Standard.: 16 Lb.
•Extra Power........: 17, 19, 21 & 23 Lb.
See post #45 for the dual spring conversion.
S&W will not sell you a bushing to utilize the smaller guide rod with the dual spring.
That was done to use up existing slides with the bigger hole in them when they made a revision change to the spring design.
And also updated, only if the gun was returned to the factory for a repair.
I have made some for a few people that wanted to go with the dual spring-heavy duty set up.
I have a few more left and a longer guide rod was still available a little while ago, it just had to be shortened.
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Most alloy frames will show wear there and on top of the rails where the barrel rides during recoil. I would install a new recoil spring just to be on the safe side. Later 4013s' used a dual spring, which is only available from S&W. If your gun has the single you can get it from S&W or Wolff.
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Also, what are the signs of a failing recoil spring? Thanks.
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I have a 4013 that I bought new in 1995. It has only been shot around 500 to 700 rounds using standard .40 S&W, no hot stuff. It has the dual recoil spring setup. It shows no such wear like that. In fact, it has only very slight wear. By the way, springs are cheap in the long run, so I replace them more often then I probably need to. FWIW
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Originally Posted by Denver Dick
I have a 4013 that I bought new in 1995. It has only been shot around 500 to 700 rounds using standard .40 S&W, no hot stuff. It has the dual recoil spring setup. It shows no such wear like that. In fact, it has only very slight wear. By the way, springs are cheap in the long run, so I replace them more often then I probably need to. FWIW
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05-06-2012, 09:12 PM
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I've got a CS45 that is showing wear in that area and probably has been shot alot. Neither my CS9 or CS40 is showing any wear but then they've been shot very little
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Thanks for all the responses, much appreciated! So I was checking out the Wolff springs... mine has a single recoil spring, and I see that factory is 16 lbs. What are the benefits of going up to 17 lbs.?
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Maybe I'm just lucky, but mine hasen't shown any of that wear and tear. I got the 4013. Mine's a TVF series model number though. Not sure whether or not that makes a difference. Still learning about mine. I bought it off a retired Police Investigator. It was his carry piece. I know he put quite a few rounds through it, and I've put at least 1000 through it since I've had it.
I will say though, you might like to upgrade your grips though from those standard plastic one's. I have Hogue grips on mine, thats how i got it. I love 'em.
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