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Old 06-02-2012, 08:44 PM
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Today i was inserting the mag in my 457 and these two parts flew off the mag release.
any advice on a home fix? i did not try to hard to put the parts back together as i need more information. seems simple but i come here and ask for help.
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Old 06-02-2012, 10:52 PM
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Call S&W. They'll probably send you a new one.

The Value Line/Chief's Special mag catch nut is plastic. It's pressed over the left end of the mag catch body, snapping in place on the shaft.

If it's removed for servicing (or comes off) it should be replaced with a new one.

The tornado shaped spring is installed small end first over the left end of the mag catch shaft, with the large end under the bottom of the new nut (as the nut is snapped onto the shaft of the mag catch).

The good news is that it doesn't need to be adjusted like the mag catch assembly in the other 3rd gen guns.
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Call S&W. They'll probably send you a new one.

The Value Line/Chief's Special mag catch nut is plastic. It's pressed over the left end of the mag catch body, snapping in place on the shaft.

If it's removed for servicing (or comes off) it should be replaced with a new one.

The tornado shaped spring is installed small end first over the left end of the mag catch shaft, with the large end under the bottom of the new nut (as the nut is snapped onto the shaft of the mag catch).

The good news is that it doesn't need to be adjusted like the mag catch assembly in the other 3rd gen guns.
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It sounds like a very easy fix to just snap/press the new catch nut if i understand correctly.
is it that straightforward or any little tricks i should know?
I was wondering if this is common? like everyone says the 457 takes a bit of a slam to seat the mags.
i apprecate your help and time. brownells has em for 2 bucks and i will get a couple but hope this does not happen again as it renders the gun useless.
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Old 06-03-2012, 02:08 AM
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My 457S doesn't take a slam to seat a full mag.

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I wouldn't call it common.

I've run a lot of rounds through my CS9 & CS45 over the years. I've shot them enough to have replaced the recoil springs in each of them, and some mag springs and some of the CS45 followers, but haven't yet had to replace the mag catch nut on either of them.

I know other folks who have been running 457/908/CS45/CS9's over the years, too, and I've not yet had to replace one of the nylon mag catch nuts in their guns (or know of one popping off). I keep a couple spare plastic nuts, springs & steel mag catch bodies in my parts, though, just in case.

Armorers are told that in order to remove the plastic nuts (if service is needed that requires removal of the mag catch), a pin punch might be needed to punch out the shaft of the mag catch body from the nut. (There has to be room on the other side of the frame for the mag catch body to move, of course.) I've been told by someone at the factory that some folks have had to use needle nose pliers to pull the plastic nuts free of the mag catch bodies.

This all leads me to suspect that more often than not, they're usually snapped onto the shafts rather firmly.

Snapping the new nut onto the shaft is pretty straight forward, but the opposite end of the mag catch body (right side of frame) has to be firmly supported, not just held by the grips. This is usually done with the grips removed and frame laying on its right side, on a flat firm surface. This is a 1-time installation, so you want to get it right the first time (a new nut each time one is removed).

There have been times when I've needed to adjust the regular 3rd gen mag catch nuts & plungers, and to save the time needed to remove the grips I've just slipped a nickel under the right end of the mag catch (in front of the grip's edge) to support the end of the mag catch body, as the frame is laying on its right side on a bench. I might try that with a Value Line (American Heritage) or CS gun if I were just going to snap a new nut onto the shaft (or else just remove the grips and not be lazy and try to save a couple steps). Naturally, if I suspected a problem with the mag catch I'd remove the grips and the mag catch itself.

If the new nut came off at some point? I'd replace the mag catch body and the nut the next time. I've come across a few of the steel mag catch bodies that just didn't seem to fit or work in a particular frame/gun. Oddly enough, although I've not had to replace one of the plastic nuts in a VL/CS gun, I've had to replace an occasional steel mag catch assembly in various early 3rd gen's, and even in a few current TSW's. Go figure.
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I had a mag catch assembly replaced by S&W on a police surplus 4506. S&W sent the broken parts back and I have them around here somewhere.

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IIRC, when I replaced the button on my CS9D....thumb pressure alone would not cut it or at least my thumb pressure during the install.

I used the nickel method and a smooth end handle of a bigger screwdriver to apply downward hand pressure until a positive click is heard.

I agree you should have more than one of these buttons laying around for those what ifs.
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IIRC, when I replaced the button on my CS9D....thumb pressure alone would not cut it or at least my thumb pressure during the install.

I used the nickel method and a smooth end handle of a bigger screwdriver to apply downward hand pressure until a positive click is heard.

I agree you should have more than one of these buttons laying around for those what ifs.
Good idea with the screwdriver handle. I should have been more clear about the pressure needed.
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thanks for the excellent information.
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called S&W and they are sending out the part.
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