Model CS9

[utvols]

Just traded for a really nice CS9 and was told this version was used in law enforcement. The grips are worn. rubber Hogue and found some new ones for a 3913. I'm assuming they are the same fitment. Can anyone advise. Thanks. -robert

[DanP7]

3913 grips are too long, and will not fit.

[Chief-wahoo]

Danp7 is correct they are longer. What kind of cs9 did you get? Blued, stainless?

[jackvs1]

Once in a while some grips will sell on here, then I have heard about Big Dog grips. Check this thread.

Big Dog CS9 & CS45 Grips...

[GaryS]

The CS9 came with Hogue grips, there were no Delrin plastic from the factory. Do a search in this sub forum for "Big Dog Grips" and you'll get some good information on that subject.

[GaryS]

Originally Posted by jackvs1

Once in a while some grips will sell on here, then I have heard about Big Dog grips. Check this thread.

Big Dog CS9 & CS45 Grips...

Great minds think alike.

[utvols]

Originally Posted by Chief-wahoo

Danp7 is correct they are longer. What kind of cs9 did you get? Blued, stainless?

It's a stainless with the black rubber Hogue grips.

[utvols]

Originally Posted by GaryS

The CS9 came with Hogue grips, there were no Delrin plastic from the factory. Do a search in this sub forum for "Big Dog Grips" and you'll get some good information on that subject.

Jack and Gary. I kinda scouted this group before registering. It seems Big Dog doesn't make grips anymore from what I've read or his production is very limited. If the grips I bought are two long. I wonder if they can still be used if they hook the frame inside. The ends could always be milled down a tad. I didn't pay but 28 bucks for the grips so I thought it was a shot in the dark. You can't find squat listed for a CS9 though.

[utvols]

Originally Posted by DanP7

3913 grips are too long, and will not fit.

How much longer are they? If the frame catches in the right places, then the length could be sanded down I guess.

[GaryS]

I think he was ill for a while, but is back at it now. There was a post here not to long ago about it.

A couple of other people have duplicated (somewhat) his process and made their own. The key is to keep the main spring cup that comes with the Hogues and then cut the S&W grips to fit.

There is at least one thread here, I think with pictures, of how someone made their own Big Dog grips.

I didn't pay that much attention as I don't have a CS9.

I do remember that you have to cut down the tabs on the inside of the factory grip to make them fit on the CS9.

Also, be very careful when you do your fitting. The side plate on the left side of the gun is fairly easy to damage and very hard, if not impossible to find right now.

I had a CS9 and liked it very much. I only sold it because I found a pre rail 3913TSW that I liked more.

Originally Posted by utvols

Jack and Gary. I kinda scouted this group before registering. It seems Big Dog doesn't make grips anymore from what I've read or his production is very limited. If the grips I bought are two long. I wonder if they can still be used if they hook the frame inside. The ends could always be milled down a tad. I didn't pay but 28 bucks for the grips so I thought it was a shot in the dark. You can't find squat listed for a CS9 though.

[utvols]

Originally Posted by GaryS

I think he was ill for a while, but is back at it now. There was a post here not to long ago about it.

A couple of other people have duplicated (somewhat) his process and made their own. The key is to keep the main spring cup that comes with the Hogues and then cut the S&W grips to fit.

There is at least one thread here, I think with pictures, of how someone made their own Big Dog grips.

I didn't pay that much attention as I don't have a CS9.

I do remember that you have to cut down the tabs on the inside of the factory grip to make them fit on the CS9.

Also, be very careful when you do your fitting. The side plate on the left side of the gun is fairly easy to damage and very hard, if not impossible to find right now.

I had a CS9 and liked it very much. I only sold it because I found a pre rail 3913TSW that I liked more.

I noticed there isn't much holding that left side. I read about trimming the plate inside. That's not a problem. Got tons of Drexel grinding bits to handle that. When I start I may do a picture post. Now I need to some some nice medallions to insert into the grips.

[tom 45]

If you search there are a lot of articles about making the delrin grips.
The 3913 grip you have is the starting place.
The hooks on the front need to be cut down about 1/4" to catch the front edge of the grip.
Then the rear has to be contoured on the inside.
Then the mainspring retainer that comes with the Hogue grips has to be modified to fit inside the new grip.
And you need a grip pin for the 3913.
There is a lot of work to it, but it is doable with some patience.

[utvols]

Originally Posted by tom 45

If you search there are a lot of articles about making the delrin grips.
The 3913 grip you have is the starting place.
The hooks on the front need to be cut down about 1/4" to catch the front edge of the grip.
Then the rear has to be contoured on the inside.
Then the mainspring retainer that comes with the Hogue grips has to be modified to fit inside the new grip.
And you need a grip pin for the 3913.
There is a lot of work to it, but it is doable with some patience.

Tom from the pictures the seller provided the grips where not pinned but are mounted with screws just like my CS9. I looked at the pictures closely before purchasing and the screw location looked identical to the CS9. We'll see how it turns out. I bought both a rubber set and wood set from two different venders. I might be spinning wheels but going to give it a shot anyways.

Both grip types looked to use screws from where they where located on the grips. The rubber ones came with an adapter that mounts inside the frame for screws. I found that interesting since the CS mounts with screws. -Robert

[tom 45]

utvols,

I just found this document.
I wrote it for someone a long time ago.

Hope it helps.

[GaryS]

Originally Posted by tom 45

utvols,

I just found this document.
I wrote it for someone a long time ago.

Hope it helps.

This is the document I was thinking of, but it didn't seem like that long ago that it was posted.

[utvols]

Originally Posted by tom 45

utvols,

I just found this document.
I wrote it for someone a long time ago.

Hope it helps.

Gary, looking at your pictures, it doesn't look too difficult to modify if needed to. The ones I bought are Hogue and really don't see much to change other than the plate in the middle needs shaved down. The original Hogue rubber grips are in two pieces. I actually thought it was one piece until looking at it very closely and pulled at the middle with my fingernail and found it was two. You say the 3913 is actually longer. So I may have to trim the wooden grip a bit to fit. I've attached a picture of the ones I just bought off ebay and ones of the original Hogue grips. -robert

[tom 45]

Those wooden grips look great...
Let us know how you make out.
I'd like to try it!

[Ranger98]

CS9 With "Big Dog's Grip"

CS9 With 3913 Grip I modified

Needless to say,I never would have attempted to do it with out "Big Dog's" grip to use as a guide..

[utvols]

Originally Posted by tom 45

Those wooden grips look great...
Let us know how you make out.
I'd like to try it!

Tom, this is a photo the seller provides that was on his 3913. I really can't see very little difference physically between the two pistols. I'm no expert and respect you guys opinion. I'm going to attempt to mount an antiqued silver S&W medallion on those grips using basically the same method someone here used on some white handles.

I asked the seller about the fitment and he said it was perfect and no gaps that some have reported with Hogue grips. I also asked why he was selling them. He told me "believe it or not I was allergic to Pau Ferro Wood". LOL.

-Robert

[utvols]

I also found these grips and bought them on ebay which are the exact same design as the badly worn ones that came with the CS9. I noticed it came with an adapter for those that have pinned grips.

Here's also a picture of the medallions that Hogue sells as an installed option. These are the ones I want to put on mine.

-robert

[SW CQB 45]

two issues IIRC

the CS grip and the 3900 grip under the beavertail tail section are different.

Also, Hogue rubber is very pliable and does not dremel with ease.

you may have to freeze the hogue rubber to harden it.

I think you are better off selling the grips or trading them for the CS9 Chiefs grip.

or get you a factory 3913 grip, and trim and fit to the CS9. that material is much easier to cut and dremel than spongy rubber hogues.

when I did my own grip for my CS9D, under the beavertail there is nothing for the top of the 3900 grip to rest on and the top of the grip will want to turn forward which will misalign the mag release portion of the grip with the frame. patience, beer and more beer. measure many times before cutting.

good luck

[SW CQB 45]

Here is my only pic of the CS9D which I sold. My other images were deleted since I no longer owned the pistol.

the roundness of the 3913 grip does not match the squareness of the CS9 frame where the grip meets the frame under the beavertail area. there is nothing for that part of the grip to attach too. It did not affect function as the mainspring pin is keeping the grip from rotating counterclockwise when you grip the gun.

[utvols]

Originally Posted by SW CQB 45

two issues IIRC

the CS grip and the 3900 grip under the beavertail tail section are different.

Also, Hogue rubber is very pliable and does not dremel with ease.

you may have to freeze the hogue rubber to harden it.

I think you are better off selling the grips or trading them for the CS9 Chiefs grip.

or get you a factory 3913 grip, and trim and fit to the CS9. that material is much easier to cut and dremel than spongy rubber hogues.

when I did my own grip for my CS9D, under the beavertail there is nothing for the top of the 3900 grip to rest on and the top of the grip will want to turn forward which will misalign the mag release portion of the grip with the frame. patience, beer and more beer. measure many times before cutting.

good luck

You might be right about the grips. I have a picture I found only that displayed the CS9 vs 3913

Physical differences is the barrel is a tad longer and the grip is a tad longer. I think it holds one more shell as well. I may not be able to do anything with the Hogue rubber grips but the wooden ones might be able to be modified. Here's the picture I was speaking of.

[SW CQB 45]

I think you will have better luck modifying a factory SW delrin grip.

Good luck.

[utvols]

Originally Posted by SW CQB 45

I think you will have better luck modifying a factory SW delrin grip.

Good luck.

I read here or somewhere the CS9 was no longer supported by S&W. Correct me if I'm wrong. Do they still sell them?

[GaryS]

All of the 3rd generation guns were discontinued more or less when the M&P line was introduced. There is some support, but how much isn't really clear. They don't make or have frames any longer, so if you have a problem that requires a frame replacement, you are out of luck. There are posts somewhere on this forum where people report that they have been offered deeply discounted M&P guns to replace broken 3rd generation guns.

The caveat to that is if a large enough police agency absolutely insists, S&W will produce 3rd generation gun. NYPD, CHP, West Virginia State Police, come to mind. There might be others as well.

As recently as 2011, the WVSP opted to stick with the 4566 and S&W was making them.

Very, very rarely, an over run gun built for those agencies shows up at a LGS. Again, that's according to posts on this forum. I think someone posted pictures of a WVSP specification 4566 that he found for sale.

Search around this sub forum and you'll likely find some interesting posts. I'll give you fair warning that this is a very busy sub forum, so it might take some time. Also, I've often found it easier to search via Google in preference to the V Bulletin search function.

Originally Posted by utvols

I read here or somewhere the CS9 was no longer supported by S&W. Correct me if I'm wrong. Do they still sell them?

[utvols]

Hello again.
Well I got my grips I ordered on ebay. These where for a S&W 3913. Bad news they where damaged. Got my refund. The seller knew they where bad and thought I wouldn't notice. Wrong. The upper tabs where broken off where they attach to the frame on the inside next to your hand. That's going to take some thought to fix. Anyway I experimented with the broken grips.

These are the Hogue Pau Ferro wood grips. Really nice looking grips. I compared to my original and there was quite a bit of modifications that the inside needed to make them work. If they could. If I had used the same method I used on a pair of Hogue rubber grips it might have saved me a bunch of time. Described below.

I got the dremel out and started whittling away. Low and behond I hot them to actually mount. Pictures to follow. I took pictures as I modified them and might add it to this thread.

Next on the list. I has also order a replacement Hogue rubber grips for a 3913 to try to modify them. I read somewhere on here someone that was successful in doing so. So I'll give it a try.

I pulled the pin on the spring retainer and removed it along with the spring and swung the trigger spring arm out of the way. This gave me a clear view of the frame and attachment points of the grip. I tried to test fit the new grips and to my surprise they installed perfectly. WOW. So the bottom retainer is the culprit that is blocking the install. Got the dremel out and made a few small mods to the grips and that was all it took. Mind you these grips where designed for a 3913 which has a longer grip. The screw holes didn't match it but found a way to drill new holes in the spring retainer so the new grips could be screw secured. Worked like a charm.

I could trim the grips to the length of the originals, but decided not to. With the pinky mag installed the grips where flush with the mag and didn't interfere with mag ejection. Cool.

So in a nutshell yes you can mount 3913 grips on a CS9 with slight modifications. I took picture of how I did this and if there's interest I'll post them and explain the process.

[utvols]

My next plan is to mount some S&W medallions about the same place my vintage Chief ones are located.

[utvols]

Originally Posted by SW CQB 45

two issues IIRC

the CS grip and the 3900 grip under the beavertail tail section are different.

Also, Hogue rubber is very pliable and does not dremel with ease.

you may have to freeze the hogue rubber to harden it.

I think you are better off selling the grips or trading them for the CS9 Chiefs grip.

or get you a factory 3913 grip, and trim and fit to the CS9. that material is much easier to cut and dremel than spongy rubber hogues.

when I did my own grip for my CS9D, under the beavertail there is nothing for the top of the 3900 grip to rest on and the top of the grip will want to turn forward which will misalign the mag release portion of the grip with the frame. patience, beer and more beer. measure many times before cutting.

good luck

Actually SW the Hogue grips that came on mine and some I bought are hard plastic on the inside and soft rubber molded around it on the outside. So any obstruction could be dremeled out of the way which is what I did on the new grips.

[utvols]

Here's pictures of the rubber grips mounted.

Keep in mind these are model 3913 grips mounted on a CS9



The next picture show the bottom and the magazine is flush. BIG DOG's grips where shorter and looked like the original. These could still be trimmed to look original. Thinking about it.

[noles80]

Hey Guys it's been awhile since I posted, and I've only done that a couple of times. More often, I'm like that faithful talk show listener who never calls in but enjoys listening to the show. That's how it is reading everyone's posts, very educational and at times entertaining. Anyway I am a huge fan of 3rd Gen S&W Autos. I regret selling my NIB 3913 (What the F was I thinking) and my 6946 but I still have my 3953, my 6906 and my little darling CS9D (DAO.) Although I do love my 6906 I pretty much carry EDC the 3953 in a Kramer IWB. For awhile I was carrying the 3953 with a clip draw, but after 30 plus years as a LEO that felt way too weird and I went back to the holster. As a matter of fact I have a two tone Sig Sauer P239 that I retired due to the comfort of the 3953. I may retire the 3953 to the safe also, if I start carrying the CS9. Problem, as everyone knows.....the wide grips are like.....really??? I tried contacting Big Dog, his website apparently no longer exists, does anyone know if he is still in the biz of the Big Dog grips? I'd really like to get these grips switched out. I have a few outstanding local shops (including Robar) that can pretty much do anything I need done, just trying to give the Biz to the original guy who started it all, does anyone know if he is still around? Also I need some advice, I kind of like the SW99c, as a matter of fact I picked one up from Gunbroker, original box, paperwork, 2 mags, etc., love shooting it, very accurate except....for some unexplained reason 1 out of 3 times, with several different types of ammo, on the first double action shot, I get light primer strikes....don't know what the issue is, I did send it back to Smith and Wesson, been almost 3 weeks haven't heard anything from them, I'll be giving them a call in the morning to see what is up. Anyone know what could be causing it? This pistol darn looked NIB, no wear, hardly looked like it had been shot at all, wondering if there is some defect from the factory. Also, if I do get the SW99c back in perfect condition....then I go through the anxiety again of what do I carry EDC....the SW99c or the CS9....any suggestions or advice? PS-Thanks Guys, I do enjoy all the posts, but if there is anyone who could maybe give me some good advice on this, it would probably be Fastbolt, if he is kind enough to respond. Thanks for everybodies time.....

[scwv67]

That's cool about the 3913 Hogues being able to fit the CS9 with slight mods. Another option for those that don't want the fat CS9 Hogues, bit want something more grippy than the modded Delrins.

I'd probably shorten them to frame length, but that's just me. Great job and thanks for sharing. These might become the "utvols" grips.

[SW CQB 45]

good job!!!!!!!!!

remember….freezing the rubber Hogue's will make it easier to work with if you decide to trim.

[Hill_Country]

Nice work on both sets of grips. These guns just deserve wood stocks.

Mind telling the world how you located the screw hole? I've modified some CT laser grips to fit the 3d gens and getting that hole in exactly the right place was one of the most difficult parts. I always installed the plastic screw block in the frame and used that as a guide to drill a small locating hole. The location is so critical that it is easy to screw up the grips up, as well as the screw block.

One of these days I'll figure out how to modify a 2nd Gen backstrap so I can use 1911 style flat stocks.

[noles80]

utvols, excellent pics, that is exactly what I want to do with my CS9D. Nobody seems to know where Big Dog is anymore, so I'll probably take it over to Robar and see if they can make custom grips. I thought about doing this a year ago but haven't pulled the trigger on it yet. I wanted to post a pic of the three Gen 3 Smiths I still have left but I can't figure this out, anyone know how to post a pic on here? Also on another note, I know this isn't the proper forum, just following up from my earlier post, got great news today from Mark at Smith and Wesson. I had sent my SW99c back 3 weeks ago, was having issues, they replaced the striker and "adjusted" the mags (I don't what that entailed,) and it now works fine and is back in transit to me. I can't wait to get it back and hit the range! Also it looks like this was all covered under the lifetime warrantee so there was no charge, what excellent customer service!

[BruceB]

Here's my CS40 with the extended Big Dog grips where the bottom of the grips are flush with the bottom of the magazine.

I much prefer this cleaner look than having the magazine base plate sticking out in the air.

[utvols]

Originally Posted by scwv67

That's cool about the 3913 Hogues being able to fit the CS9 with slight mods. Another option for those that don't want the fat CS9 Hogues, bit want something more grippy than the modded Delrins.

I'd probably shorten them to frame length, but that's just me. Great job and thanks for sharing. These might become the "utvols" grips.

Sc I've recently got some medical issues I've got to deal with and when that improves a bit I'll post pictures and procedures on how to convert 3913 to CS9 grips. Depending on your tools and skill level it would take no longer than a hour to make yourself some new grips. The wood grips just makes that pistol pop in looks, but the rubber is best for shooting. -Robert

[utvols]

Originally Posted by BruceB

Here's my CS40 with the extended Big Dog grips where the bottom of the grips are flush with the bottom of the magazine.

I much prefer this cleaner look than having the magazine base plate sticking out in the air.

Hello Bruce, with my mod one can use grips with screw as was the originals and retain that look. These Hogue grips (rubber) are must thinner that the original grips. I'd just imagine they are very close in feel to yours.

I thought about notching the grips as yours is. Thanks for posting your photo for comparison. -robert

[noles80]

I think I figured out how to post the pics. Hope this works. If it does, it's my CS9D, 3953 and 6906.

[noles80]

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[utvols]

Originally Posted by noles80

I think I figured out how to post the pics. Hope this works. If it does, it's my CS9D, 3953 and 6906.

Noles, I use photobucket dot com to host pictures if I want to show a bigger than the standard forum pictures. It takes a bit to understand how to copy the link. I believe there is a thread somewhere explaining in detail. OR. If the picture exist on your device you can go to ADVANCED EDITOR and click on the paper clip then an open window pops open and tag the picture. There may be a picture upload size limit if it doesn't upload. Resize and try again. Hit the preview to see if it attached and check for spelling errors then hit the POST.

[noles80]

utvols, thanks for the advice and info, i will get back to this and try to figure it all out.

[noles80]

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...&1423336886051 Hoping this works, just learning how to use photobucket....

[noles80]

http://i1301.photobucket.com/albums/...&1423336886051 I think that got the link, hopefully this will flinally post the pic

[noles80]

Now....hopefully this should get the pics posted....

[GaryS]

There you go! Nice looking 3rd gen guns.

Originally Posted by noles80

Now....hopefully this should get the pics posted....

[Hill_Country]

Nice guns. That photo was worth waiting for. <G>

[touchoneoff]

noles80, those are some nice guns you got there! I hardly ever see any of the all-metal S&W pistols around me...wish I did, because I would own one.

[KurtC]

Ah, this thread brings back memories. Mostly painful. I remember doing this to a CS45 when they first came out, back in '98 I believe.





Converted it to DAO using parts from a 4553 and shortened the magazine to take a 4506 baseplate.

You'll have to excuse the ****** photos. 2 Megapixels was considere state-of-the-art back then.

[Nakanokalronin]

Congrats OP! I guess I'll add a picture of my single sided safety CS9 here even though I posted it before.

I made the grips with no real reference from a 3913TSW set, shortened a grip pin from a larger 3rd. Gen, added a 3913 sight donated from a member here and modified a 39 base plate and retainer to fit one of the mags to make it just a little shorter for carry.