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Which Shorty is the hard one to find? 9, 40 or 45?

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Just like the title...I am under the impression the Shorty 45s are are scarce. Is this true or is it one of the other Shorty PC guns that they didn't make many of...or are hard to come across? OH and scarce is relative. All 3rd gens are relatively scarce. I mean scarce from a collectors point of view...like they rarely are seen for sale.
 
If I remember correctly, I read somewhere here just recently that the shorty 9's were hard to come by.
 
Another rare...... or at least rarely seen set are the SD (Stocking Dealer ) Series made in 9mm,40 and .356S&W....... from about 1993/4 IIRC!

Again IIRC less than 500-600 in a 3 calibers combined.

Story: There was a local gun shop in SW Pa. that had a dozen or more PC autos in the mid to late 90s ( always had 2-3 in the case)......they just didn't sell.....including the .45 RECON and the .45 CQB.... both of which I would have grabbed but for the "Billboards"..... well truth be told I did buy the CQB but traded it on a/my 2nd Shorty 9...... couldn't stand the Billboard!!


I bought 4 over the course of 4-5 years. Still have 3 an SD-9 and 2 "Shorty 9s".
 
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I've been keeping an eye on GunBroker and elsewhere for quite awhile for any listings of the Shortys, just because I especially like them.

It's readily apparent the Shorty 40 is the least difficult to find, since there were many more of them made than the others. Heck, there were more made in the first three production runs of 500 each (unmarked on the slides) than all of the 9s and 45s, not to mention the later Mark III and Y2000 models, both slide-marked. (There also is a little-known Mark II Shorty 40, unmarked on the slide, that has a black trigger, longer beavertail, checkered front strap, and a prefix of SPC instead of PCS, the way the Mark I run of the Shorty 40 was marked. There are probably only a couple of hundred of the Mark II models.

Shorty45MkII's post above is spot on about the production numbers on the original Shorty 45 and its Mark II version.

The following with later edits marked in red is the Shorty 9 production information I have been able to accumulate.

Before now, I had never seen production numbers on the Shorty 9s. Now we have numbers on the Performance Center 5906 PC-9 model courtesy of jfd's letter from Roy Jinks, in the later post. We also have confirmed numbers from Lew Horton on the Shorty 9 Mark III -- see separate post) http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-...16-shorty-9-production-numbers-confirmed.html

The Shorty 9s do come up from time to time on GB and in other places, as do the Shorty 45s. And like many pistols, these tend to run in spurts, with none to only a very few for sale, and then a few showing up (probably when owners see the prices being paid for them.)

My impression has been that the Shorty 45 and Shorty 9 pistols are about equally difficult to obtain, with the Shorty 9 models to include the following two models:

*The "Performance Center 5906 PC-9" per SCSW p. 370 [slide unmarked, for Lew Horton]. Product code 170030 and alpha prefix PCV.

*The Performance Center "Shorty 9 Mk III" as per SCSW p. 368 but with product code 170067 and alpha prefix VCP. [some slides marked "Shorty9mm"]

These are all Performance Center 9mm compacts with 3 1/2" barrels, two-tones (black slides and silver frames), and not otherwise marked as (for instance) Recon 9 models.

Based on the documentation now available, the total production of the pistols referred to collectively as the "Shorty 9" is 956. That's 611 (per Jinks letter referred to by jfd in the post below) of the 5906 PC-9, and 345 of the Shorty 9 Mk III (per Lew Horton; see separate thread). Lew Horton didn't order great numbers of their special order models unless sales were strong, and the .40 S&W round was very popular back during that the 90s decade, as evidenced by the numerous runs of those.

Don't leave out the fourth Shorty: the 3566 Compact, of which only a few hundred were made. Interestingly enough, these do show up for sale at about the same rate as the Shorty 45 and Shorty 9 models, with the most recent used model sold on GB for about $1,500.
 
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My Shorty 9 box is labeled as a 6906 compact. I have no idea if it's considered a MkI or MkII or if it's referred to in that way at all. I see more come up without any slide markings than those with but that's just what I've seen and not necessarily true.

I have a 3" 586 that I had lettered and while it did provide solid info about my particular 586 it didn't really expand on the entire production history...only the run mine came from. I'm not sure lettering the Shorty 9 would help with total numbers but it might.
The frames on these guns don't have the model number on them only the serial number.
 

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My 2 PC reverse two-tone......"6906/04s" ( alloy frame and carbon steel blue/black slide)...... don't have any slide marking/Billboards...... serial # on the left side / PC logo on the right. Two line address on the left side of the slide................

I can't really match either of them to any of the PC descriptions in the SCS&W.. pps 368-370.

The closest is the Model 6906 Compact on page 370....as mine has a VPC00xx serial#. But I would not call the frame two-tone, the front strap is checkered and it has fixed Novack night sights.
 
My Shorty 9 box is labeled as a 6906 compact. I have no idea if it's considered a MkI or MkII or if it's referred to in that way at all. I see more come up without any slide markings than those with but that's just what I've seen and not necessarily true.

I have a 3" 586 that I had lettered and while it did provide solid info about my particular 586 it didn't really expand on the entire production history...only the run mine came from. I'm not sure lettering the Shorty 9 would help with total numbers but it might.
The frames on these guns don't have the model number on them only the serial number.

lhump, would the serial number on your 6906 Compact support the idea that less than 100 of these were produced? I'm not asking you for the number, of course -- just to know whether it is higher than 0100 or lower. Thanks!
 
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IIRC the 1995 Lew Horton PC 9 is the rarest. It is the two tone that appears to be a 6906 with a black slide and single side decocker. Less than 300 made, again IIRC

The Shorty 45 MKII is the next rarest, with 241 made according to Lew Horton.

Very nice pistols we won't see the likes of again. From s&w anyway. Thats why I bought mine on sight. ;) Regards 18DAI
 
lhump, would the serial number on your 6906 Compact support the idea that less than 100 of these were produced? I'm not asking you for the number, of course -- just to know whether it is higher than 0100 or lower. Thanks!

302. I think there were a fair amount more than 100 made but I have no evidence to support it.;)
 
IIRC the 1995 Lew Horton PC 9 is the rarest. It is the two tone that appears to be a 6906 with a black slide and single side decocker. Less than 300 made, again IIRC

The Shorty 45 MKII is the next rarest, with 241 made according to Lew Horton.

Very nice pistols we won't see the likes of again. From s&w anyway. Thats why I bought mine on sight. ;) Regards 18DAI

18, I have to disagree on the number of Lew Horton PC-9 models made in 1995, as the ones I have seen today serial number past 500. I realize those numbers aren't always indicative of the exact number of pistols produced, but I think it's safe to say this model ("Performance Center 5906 PC-9") was the largest run, and certainly seems to be the one seen most often for sale.

On the other hand, the Performance Center "Shorty 9 Mark III" also produced for Lew Horton, but in 1997, seems to be the rarer. (Edit: we now know there were 345 of these produced.
 
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302. I think there were a fair amount more than 100 made but I have no evidence to support it.;)

Thanks, lhump! Assuming the Performance Center 6906 Compacts started its numbering series in 1996 or so, your model with 302 seems to indicate at least around 300 were made. Good information!
 
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Gonna chime in with what I know (or think I know) on this subject based on info in the SCSW as well as SN's on my Shorty's and authentication/
production history letters from Roy Jinks. According to SCSW, there are at least two versions of the PC "Shorty9", four versions of the "Shorty 40", and one version of the "Shorty 45", but also reference to the Recon9, 40 and 45 also being considered as variants of the Shorty's. My head is now starting to hurt. Anyway, the Jinks letters I have on my Shorty's state the following:
-"the Model 5906 PC Shorty 9 (SKU 170030) are stamped with SN's PCV 0001-PCV0611, indicating a total of 611 made"

-"the Model 4006 PC Shorty 40 (no SKU # stated) are stamped with SN's
PCS0001-PCS1583, indicating a total of 1583 made." The Jinks letter
further states that "three additional groups of Shorty 40's were made and
were known as Shorty 40 Mark I, Mark II and Mark III-S" but no indication is given to how many of these variants were made

-"The Model 4513 Shorty 45 (no SKU # stated) were stamped with SN's
SFF001-SFF0660, indicating 660 units were made"

All of that referenced above that was written by Jinks and the aforementioned info being written in the SCSW aside, I have on more than one occasion found discrepancies in researching when and in what quantities certain S&W guns were made so it may all be about as clear and reliable as the proverbial mud. But Roy Jinks has been around S&W for longer than many of us have been alive so I consider him a pretty reliable source. Plus it's kinda cool having one of his $50 signed and stamped letters.

Last comment on all of this: I also have a second "Shorty9", this one being labeled on the case as a Model 6906. To my way of thinking, given that it has the slide marked (laser?) as "Shorty9" and adjustable low mount Novak sights, it is the "Shorty9 MkIII" referenced in the SCSW. A peculiar notation in that listing states that it was "shipped with a Zippo lighter with the Performance Center Logo"...bonus, wonder how many of those are still around? The SN stamped on mine is VPC (letters out of order compared to my other Shorty9 which is "PCV") 0272 so we know at least 272 of these
MkIII's were made.

I'm not sure any of this answers the OP's question of which Shorty is the most scarce....but maybe it's the 45????
 
Jeff, thanks for this! Great information for sure, and to have it supported by the Jinks letter is pretty near as good as it can get! I've edited my post above to correct to the actual number of the 5906 PC-9 pistols. Now, finding out the numbers on the PC 6906 Compact and Shorty 9 Mark III is our next order of business, and I hope Forum members will contribute whatever they know on those.

With what you've provided here, it appears certain that the Shorty 45 is definitely the most difficult model to find of all of the Shortys. Its production numbers are the lowest of the 9, 40, and 45 group. Only the 3566 Compact (a rare, niche compact) had lower production, but since its cartridge is no longer manufactured, it is in a category of its own among the Shorty line.

Thanks again, Jeff! Good stuff!

(I do think there must have been a typo in his letter about the Shorty 40s: I think it should have said that in addition to the first group of about 1600 guns, there was a Mark II, Mark III, and Mark IIIs (for "silver") produced. The initial group would have been the Mark I guns, of course.

Also: Jinks' letter on the Shorty 45 does not appear to include the Shorty 45 Mark II's, of which a Forum member's letter from Lew Horton indicates 179 were made in addition to "640" (Jinks says 660) of the first version of the Shorty 45.)
 
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Good thread. I am trying to decide what to do with my Shorty 45. I bought it new in 1996 the year my son was born. I have never really been able to carry it due to PD Dept. Regs., but I have shot it some. My PD was carrying 3rd gen S&W 9 mm back then. I had a 6906,3913,1314,5903 through out the years we carried them. They are all gone now except for my Shorty 45, 5903 SSV. and a satin nickle 469 from Ashland Shooting Supply that I recently picked up. I believe it was made in 1982 from the low serial number, but I haven't confirmed that yet.
 
Even rarer than the Shorty 45 MKII is the all black Shorty 45. One member here owns the only one I've ever seen or heard of.

I wonder if he ever lettered it? Regards 18DAI
 
I would like to see that all black Shorty 45. One gun I might trade my Shorty 45 for would be The 625-10 PC 2 inch. If anybody knows where one is at, let me know. I have a 327 PC 2 inch that I had the hammer bobbed on. I just put a set of VZ grips on the 327 and I love them. I have a thing for S&W PC revolvers.
 
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