SW22 VICTORY AFTER THE FIRST 350 ROUNDS

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Here is my first impression of the SW22 Victory after firing my first 350 rounds.

Bought the pistol late Tuesday at the Georgia Gun Club with an out the door price of a little over $385. Not the lowest or the highest price around for this fire arm but reasonable enough that I went ahead and bought it. I had done a lot of reading and watching reviews because I wanted a 22LR semi-automatic pistol. I was favorably impressed with the write ups on the Victory and this one was in stock.

Didn't fire the pistol Wednesday because I wanted to clean and oil it first. Did not take it apart but I did clean the bore and oil it. First impression before firing - the ergonomics and feel of this fire arm are perfect. The grips fit my hand well. The balance feels great and there is no sensation of this being a heavy pistol.

Wednesday I took it back to the gun club and fired 200 rounds. The first 50 rounds I fired using a bench rest to zero the sights. Out of the box the sights were way high and just slightly to the left. Minor convenience glitch here. S&W used two different sizes for the flat head screws that adjust the rear windage and elevation. The windage screw is much smaller than the one for elevation. I had already noticed this and brought a set of precision screwdrivers with me so I had the correct size screwdrivers. This more of an annoyance than a design flaw because once set I rarely have to re-adjust the windage so no big deal. I did notice that the tactile feedback 'clicks' when adjusting the rear sight are very indistinct. The clicks are there but were hard to feel with this particular pistol.

Initially I had difficulty firing tight groups even though I was using a bench rest. The trigger felt very heavy but I thought it would free up after the first few rounds. It did but not a great amount. I did adjust and learn to fire respectful groups with this pistol but nothing to brag about. The sights are terrific. As I mentioned at the beginning the ergonomics are superb. The pistol felt natural in my hand. The trigger pull remained very heavy though.

OK, took the pistol home, field stripped it, cleaned it and lubricated it. Disassembly and re-assembly were a breeze once I got the main allen screw loose. Getting it loose took a LOT of force. I don't know what torque setting they used at the factory but I actually bent the first allen wrench I used before finally breaking the allen screw loose.

Returned to the range today and fired an additional 150 rounds. Before heading out to the firing line I stopped by the armory where we measured the trigger break. It was 6.25 lbs consistently. We checked a half a dozen times just to be sure. From the beginning the trigger pull has been very smooth with a distinct and crisp break. Over travel was a little long so I adjusted that before shooting any rounds today. Limiting the over travel improved the feel tremendously. As of today there are no after market trigger kits for the Victory. As soon as someone produces one I'll buy it immediately.

I did experience two problems today during the 150 rounds I fired. First, the allen screw did come loose sometime after the first 50 rounds. I had tightened it as much as I dared after cleaning the pistol. However, this time I really gorilla'd it down. No more problems with the allen screw. I will start using purple LocTite on it from now on.

Problem number two was the magazine release. When I use a typical two handed grip my left hand can and did exert enough pressure on the magazine release that caused the magazine to be ejected twice. I adjusted my left hand position slightly which prevented any further recurrences.

So far there have been no malfunctions attributable to the pistol at all. No failures to fire, no failures to extract, no failures to eject, no failures to feed at all. I did run one fifty round box of ammunition through the pistol in a rapid fire mode. The barrel got a little warm but that's the only noticeable effect of sustained very rapid fire. Incidentally, on both days I fired Aguila SuperExtra 40 grain copper plated bullet ammunition exclusively.

In summary I found the Victory to be a delight to shoot with no bad habits at all with the exception of the heavy (in my opinion) trigger pull. There are two things that I think this pistol needs. First is a set of contoured wood target grips and the second is trigger kit to lighten the trigger pull. The stock factory grips feel fine and they fit my hand like a glove. Contoured wood grips simply feel better. Obviously mine at least also needs a trigger kit. I am delighted by the feel and handling of this pistol consequently I am happy that I bought it.

I hope this information is helpful. Now everyone out there have a great day.:):):)
 
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Good writeup on your victory. The trigger and wood grips will be out shortly from reports that we have had on here. Different companies are working on these products already.
 
I am also a member of the twisted allen wrench group. I read a post on the forum to use oil on the screws so I'll try that before my next session.

Welcome to the forum. The red lettering is very hard to read but I enjoyed your review.
 
Welcome to the forum.

A home trigger job comes to mind but that can be screwed up if you don't analyze what you do first and have the patience. Eventually Wolff will offer lighter springs. Usually switching springs is not too tough. I'll bet one of your local gunsmiths can make it lighter and crisper.

Wood looks a lot better but I would not be in a rush to replace stocks that "fit my hand like a glove."

I have neither the time nor ammo to use all my .22s other wise I probably would buy the first one I saw in local stores.

Thanks for the review.
 
Welcome to the forum.

A home trigger job comes to mind but that can be screwed up if you don't analyze what you do first and have the patience. Eventually Wolff will offer lighter springs. Usually switching springs is not too tough. I'll bet one of your local gunsmiths can make it lighter and crisper.

Wood looks a lot better but I would not be in a rush to replace stocks that "fit my hand like a glove."

I have neither the time nor ammo to use all my .22s other wise I probably would buy the first one I saw in local stores.

Thanks for the review.

The gunsmith who measured the trigger pull did later take a look at the trigger group and believes that they possibly have a lighter spring that would work or could be made to work in this fire arm. Like all fairly large scale armories they accumulate lots of left over bits and pieces including lots of trigger type springs that were take outs from other guns. He did however bring up a point which I hadn't considered. If I needed to send the pistol back to S&W for any warranty work then we might want to reinstall the original spring otherwise the modified spring could possibly be grounds for S&W to deny the warranty claim.

You are right though. Wolff is working on aftermarket springs for this handgun. It wouldn't surprise me to find that Valquartsen is doing the same. I'll buy whatever product from either company that becomes available first. I find it puzzling that my M&P Shield 9mm (4.6 lb pull) came from the factory with a lighter trigger pull than did my SW22 Victory.

To everyone who replied to my original post you have my apology. I didn't realize that red text would be next to impossible to read on the grey background. I fixed that. Now if I could just fix the trigger spring just as easily........
:D;):D
 
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I ordered the Volquartsen fluted/ported barrel mainly because of it's looks but it had some really good write ups also. I was thinking I read where the trigger was supposed to be somewhere between 2 to 3 pounds. Don
 
Takedown Screw & Trigger Pull Update

I just got off the phone with S&W's customer service. I'll cover the takedown screw first. The rep with whom I spoke told me that there is NO TORQUE SPEC for tightening this allen screw when reassembling the pistol. He told me that they recommend just tightening the takedown screw until things are snug. I asked about using LocTite on the threads and he said that it wasn't needed. I beg to differ. When I cleaned the pistol this morning I once again found the takedown screw to be loose, very loose. As I said in my previous post, I had really gorilla'd this screw down after the first time it loosened yet it came loose a second time. This time I did use purple LocTite on the threads and yet again really gorilla'd this screw down. S&W ARE YOU LISTENING? THERE IS A DEFINITE SAFETY ISSUE HERE. I think that it's only a matter of time before someone is using the pistol during which time the takedown screw falls out or loosens sufficiently that the firearm suffers a catastrophic failure with the potential for injury to the shooter. I'll put it this way - I will NEVER trust this pistol without using LocTite on the threads.

OK, now to the trigger pull. The factory spec is 3.5 lbs. The person I spoke with offered to have me send my SW22 in under warranty to have this checked. He was rather dismissive about the check that the armorer at the Georgia Gun Club did saying that often the scales people use to measure the trigger break are inaccurate and often are not sufficiently calibrated. This armory is a large and very busy armory. I would be highly surprised to find that their trigger scale is off be a factor of almost two. I will double check the trigger break point on this pistol another way and then decide about sending it in to S&W. Given their attitude about the things I tried to tell them and so forth I am not thrilled about sending the pistol in for warranty work. My inclination right now is to wait until Wolff or Volquartsen comes out with a trigger kit for this fire arm.
 
I mentioned in another thread that my 22Victory lost its extractor on the first shot. It went back to S&W, has been fixed and test fired by me. The extractor stayed in place.

I'm very interested in your heavy trigger. My trigger is surprisingly light OOB....I estimate 3#. In contrast, I bought the Ruger NRA special 22/45 Lite Mark III the same day as the Victory. The Ruger trigger is over 7# OOB and is awful. It will be going to Volquartsen soon.

My guess is your gun's trigger is not right and should be sent back. When I called about my extractor problem I got no smart mouth back talk at all. If you get a wiseass ask to speak to a supervisor.
 
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Very nice and thorough review! I enjoy some of the finer details such as the rear sight requiring two totally different screwdriver sizes. Annoying would be selling it short -- I think that borders on the ridiculous.

As to your interactions on the phone regarding this pistol, I have two ideas. First is that the pistol is SO new, I doubt they truly have much insight on things such as the take-down screw... at least not YET. Secondly, I would try to keep in mind that there is a good chance that the first person answering a handgun tech support call is the same guy who refills the soap dispenser in the head.

Of course I am joking a bit -- but my point is valid. I have met a PAID, traveling company rep wearing logo'd gear assigned to customer relations at a large retail store for a "manufacturers weekend" who genuinely had no idea (not even the slightest) that S&W had made 50,000 3rd Gen pistols chambered in 10mm. Honestly... I can't be totally sure he knew what 10mm was.

I felt like kicking his chair out from under him and taking over his shift for the good of the brand we all adore so much.
 
Sevens' experience is not unusual and some of these so-called detail men will make stuff up on the fly rather than say "I don't know". This can cause some interesting 'arguments' on the forum.

When I called CS because my extractor went AWOL on the first shot, I got a very helpful woman(this was 2/4/16) who wasn't highly knowledgable but helpful. She told me NOT to send the box because it wouldn't come back. My call was also her first on a Victory.

I think we should just hang up if the CS person seems unhelpful and try again an hour later.
 
Only Wanted To Point Out The Safety Issue....

Sevens' experience is not unusual and some of these so-called detail men will make stuff up on the fly rather than say "I don't know". This can cause some interesting 'arguments' on the forum.

When I called CS because my extractor went AWOL on the first shot, I got a very helpful woman(this was 2/4/16) who wasn't highly knowledgable but helpful. She told me NOT to send the box because it wouldn't come back. My call was also her first on a Victory.

I think we should just hang up if the CS person seems unhelpful and try again an hour later.

My only purpose in calling CS was to try and make them aware that there is in my opinion a very serious safety threat with the takedown screw. I firmly believe that it is only a matter of time before a shooter has a catastrophic failure of this pistol with the potential of injury. I was completely unsuccessful in this effort. The trigger pull was a matter of passing interest and I really didn't expect S&W to take any action about the trigger pull. I can and will cure the heavy trigger pull in the not too distant future even if I decide not to send my SW22 in to them.

I am very frustrated over the takedown screw issue. I have no contacts within the S&W organization to whom I can escalate my view about this problem. At this point I am not confident that even if I call CS again that it will do any good. I have solved the problem in my pistol but think that the risk is there and it is real for those who don't know about the takedown screw.
 
I was looking for a new 22 and have several Brownings ( Belgium) and early Buckmark. All have great triggers from the factory.. I have 22/45 which I did have to have trigger work on to get it to reach it's potential.
I had the chance to handle the SW22 and my dealer and the trigger was what sold my on it.. I've not had a single issue with the firearm thru 1200 rounds.. Including four cleanings.. Not even the so call take down screw loosening issue..Honestly I don't think I got a rare one but the norm.. Trigger on my breaks clean at about 2-2/3. Lbs.per my old Lyman gauge..
 
My only purpose in calling CS was to try and make them aware that there is in my opinion a very serious safety threat with the takedown screw. I firmly believe that it is only a matter of time before a shooter has a catastrophic failure of this pistol with the potential of injury. I was completely unsuccessful in this effort. The trigger pull was a matter of passing interest and I really didn't expect S&W to take any action about the trigger pull. I can and will cure the heavy trigger pull in the not too distant future even if I decide not to send my SW22 in to them.

I am very frustrated over the takedown screw issue. I have no contacts within the S&W organization to whom I can escalate my view about this problem. At this point I am not confident that even if I call CS again that it will do any good. I have solved the problem in my pistol but think that the risk is there and it is real for those who don't know about the takedown screw.

I have called them as well and I know of a third person. They offered to take the gun back to look at the issue. I am going to oil the screw and see if that helps.
 
Before firing my Victory, I used blue LocTite on the takedown screw. No problems, yet! Learned that on the web.

The trigger pull is HEAVY. If I didn't have a Ruger MKII and a Buckmark, both with 2 lb. triggers, maybe I wouldn't notice it. A Volquartsen hammer fixed the Ruger and the Heggis spring flip, fixed the Buckmark.

The Williams sights on the Victory are great. If I could get the trigger pull reduced, it might shoot as well as the Buckmark?
 
I also am having problems with getting my screw out. I heated the area with a heat gun to about 225 degrees thinking maybe they used some loctite seeing there has been problems with screws working loose. I at first thought the screw was moving then discovered my NEW Allen wrench I just bought, (and not a cheap set) was twisting, not the screw. Sent S&W email waiting. Think I may try the freezer next. Plan on sending it back if that does not work. They can damage and replace. I will be done after the freezer try. Good luck. For those who have a problem with the screw coming loose try and old out dated lock washer to see if that helps. The part that stinks is the marketing was around the removable barrel, and there are so many with problems surrounding the screw that makes this happen.
 
Use a NO.61 O-Ring on the Barrel screw. or Torque the barrel down to 40 INCH LBS. Either one or both to-gether will solve the loose barrel problem permanently. DO NOT USE LOCK=Tight as it will come back someday to haunt you. The mess will someday make it a Jammo-matic just when you want to use it.
 
I am in the market for a 22 auto but I think I will hold off until some feed back on the new Ruger Mark IV. The mark II and III are both great pistols except being a pain to take apart and clean. As well as I like Smiths, Ruger does put out some good stuff.
 
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