Well, since I didn't have anything else to do this morning, I took the plunger and spring for my Model 469's magazine safety out of the top of the slide and recentered the rear sight. All function checks normal, so I guess I didn't screw it up!

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Luke 22:36

Very cool.

Although the Model 39 holds my greatest desire in possessing, I've nevertheless have seven 469s.

The loss of the magazine safety components was one I've entertained for quite some time but intervening projects being what they are, I just haven't had the time to monkey around with any of my 469s, even though I've rationalized that the only thing that should go right was a non-functional magazine safety.

Now, thanks to you, Sir, I can "just do it" (with thanks to Nike) and enjoy the benefits.

However, I must also be sure of my soon-to-be modified safety rountine. Should I happen to have a negligent discharge, well, you might wanna think about lawyering up.

That's a heckuva thing, isn't it? No kidding: 40-years ago I could go through the entire routine above excepting one: Hiring a tort lawyer. I doubt the thought would even enter my head. Or anyone else's.

Uh-oh . . . I feel a rant coming on. Better git outta here while the gettin' is good!

Later.

A magazine disconnect has never bothered me in the least . Drop the magazine and the gun can't fire...No big deal .

The grip safety on a 1911 is more troublesome for me to get fully depressed and stay depressed . I wont tell you how I solved that little problem but my 1911 grip safety now operates like the Browning Hi-Power grip safety .

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Quick pass with a file and the grip safety can be released with barely a touch.

Wow! To be clear, I wasn't advocating that anyone else deactivate a "safety device" on their firearm(s), so if you do something stupid don't blame me. As for grip safeties, what shape is you hand that you can't work one, Jeff Cooper notwithstanding.

Can't we all get along? (Except for you Glocksketeers.)

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Luke 22:36

I have medium sized hands and I have never had a problem with the grip safety on a 1911. I definitely do not recommend pinning the grip safety or altering it so that it can not function as designed.

I don't like the "Magazine disconnect" feature. If I can disable it, I do.

If the magazine safety offends someone, I see no great sin in removing it. A legal liability? Maybe theoretically. In the real world, I wonder. My 469 has a functioning mag disconnect safety and I see no reason to fiddle with it. I've never lost a magazine (knock on wood). And in the second that the used mag is out of the pistol and the fresh one not yet inserted, will I ever need that round in the chamber (assuming I actually counted my rounds and didn't lock back the slide after shooting the gun dry)? In the real world, I doubt it.

Years of shooting my dad's 1911s never produced one fumble with the USA mandated grip safety. Would I miss it in the real world? Quien sabe?

Of course this insistence on the real world can be fitful. A police officer friend with whom I sometimes shoot insists that I engage the target and re-holster my weapon. With all due respect to him - he's a fine officer and a very good pistolero - I disagree with him.

If, in the real world, I ever "engage a target," no doubt I'll be sitting on the curb, with my pistol, mag out, chamber empty, and the slide locked back in clear view, on the asphalt outside my immediate reach. I'll be shaking and wishing I'd chosen that day to wear Tena.

There's no way I want police to arrive and I've got a holstered piece.

I have a dozen semi auto S&W pistols and a couple of HiPowers. None have a magazine disconnect because I refuse to conduct dry fire training with magazines around.
Liability? Show me the case. Can’t? Didn’t think so.

I don't like the magazine safety because it adds complexity to the inner works...and more places for dirt/carbon to hide. Also, I would prefer it to shoot if the mags out, and a round is chambered too. I see most guns as fightin' guns, certainly my 9mm pistols. I took out the plunger in my 915 and no issues, but wonder if in the long term there'll be weird wearing of the slide or other trigger bits. I'll keep checking, of course.

So you removed the plunger to quadruple the space for dirt and carbon to hide. Now if you did that when this was being discussed, you would have a 5-year sample of dirt in that hole.

Smith sold these guns without the magazine safety installed all the time, to government entities only. It is my understanding that if a private citizen returns the gun to Smith for work they will put the magazine safety back in whether you want them to or not (but I don't know for a fact that happens).

What is it with zombie threads lately? There's a bunch of them all over the forum that have been bumped.

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Seems that thread resurrection is often performed by someone new to the forums. I am a proponent of threads being locked if they are dormant for more than 6 months.

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Old threads are good info for those that haven't read it and allow for someone new reading it to ask questions that were not covered on the original thread. Nothing wrong with Zombie threads. I mean, if you don't like zombie threads, you don't have to read it, completely optional.

Rosewood

As for a legal argument, since the most common handgun in America doesn't have a mag disconnect and S&W did sell many without it, I don't see how a lawyer could argue that it was needed. In fact a good defense attorney can make the case it isn't quite easily.
Especially since it was an option for many LE agencies.

Rosewood

I see how a mag safety could make sense in some circumstances -- hey, anyone can make up a scenario -- but the fact that damage to or loss of a mag converts the gun in to rock is sufficient for me to shy away from them.

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