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Old 03-03-2021, 02:57 AM
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I know this topic has been going around the traps for years but has anyone yet found a decent red dot mount for the Model 41 other than the rail type mount?

Specifically Iím after one for a Deltapoint Pro. Iíve been hunting high and low for a mount that will fit the factory drilled screw holes that take the rail or one that will replace the rear sight.

I thought Iíd found one with Raptor Eng but it looks like those poor buggers have been knocked out of action by the fires last year.

Right now I have a Vortex Venom mounted on a rail and Iím not that happy with the VV so am going to a Deltapoint Pro, but I also want to "slim downĒ a bit and ditch the rail.

I have an EGW mount that replaces the rear sight for my Tanfoglio and that is brilliant, but they donít appear to do one that will fit the M41.

What am I missing? Is there such a beastie as what Iím hunting? Am I blind? Or just not looking in the right places??

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Old 03-03-2021, 05:30 AM
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You can do what I did to come up with a reddot mount for my 4506...design one in CAD and have it machined out on a CNC machine. Loooks like if you knew the dimensions of the rear sight dovetail notch it would be pretty straight forward. It CAN be done!
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You can do what I did to come up with a reddot mount for my 4506...design one in CAD and have it machined out on a CNC machine. Loooks like if you knew the dimensions of the rear sight dovetail notch it would be pretty straight forward. It CAN be done!
Thanks for the response, though to be honest I have neither the time nor the inclination to mess around wth trying to fabricate one myself.

Surely given the popularity of the Model 41 someone would have come up with some better off the shelf options for red dot mounts for the likes of the Deltapoint Pro by now?????
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Old 03-03-2021, 08:31 AM
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I used a #16 Weaver and shortened it to only use the rear 2 holes. I needed longer 6-48 screws than what was supplied with the mount. Thats a Bushnell TRS25 red dot.
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Old 03-03-2021, 11:33 AM
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Same here. Just shorten and profile the base for a way better look. I've done this for revolvers also.
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Old 03-03-2021, 12:08 PM
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Check out KKDepot and BME Mounts. They have mounts that fit the dovetail.
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Old 03-03-2021, 12:17 PM
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Burris offers mounts that use the rear sight dovetail. Might want to check for the model 41. It fits their Fast Fire series of sights (very good by the way), but may also fit others?

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Check out KKDepot and BME Mounts. They have mounts that fit the dovetail.
Thanks Doug, I had looked at them both previously but missed that BME also has one that fits Leupold - Iíll follow them up as so far that looks like the best option of the two for the Deltapoint Pro red dot.
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Burris offers mounts that use the rear sight dovetail. Might want to check for the model 41. It fits their Fast Fire series of sights (very good by the way), but may also fit others?

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Thanks Larry, unfortunately they wonít fit the Leupold Deltapoint sight, different screw size and location. It would fit the Vortex Venom that I already have on the rail but Iím definitely changing over to the Leupold - I have the same sight on two other pistols and much prefer it over anything else that Iíve tried (including over the Vortex).
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Mind telling us what you don't like about the Venom? I have been considering one and was wondering.
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Mind telling us what you don't like about the Venom? I have been considering one and was wondering.
It was actually the first red dot sight that I ever bought (after resisting the need due to ageing eyes for as long as I could) and itís a nice clear dot on a good looking low profile sight and Iím a bit of a Vortex fan (great service and back up in my experience), but Iíve always really struggled to acquire the dot quickly on it in competition.

Initially I thought it was just me and that I needed practice, but no amount of practice really gave me the quick acquire that I need for compí and since fitting Deltapoint Pro sights to my Tanfoglio Gold Match and my S&W 686 Iíve never had the same problem with them.

I can draw from the holster with both of those pistols and be immediately on target with the red dot but whenever I go back to the VV I fall in a hole and struggle to acquire the dot....

The difference between the two sights (for me) is night and day, the VV is simply not the right sight for me when I can do so much better with the Leupold.
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Old 03-04-2021, 07:48 AM
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Thanks for the response, though to be honest I have neither the time nor the inclination to mess around wth trying to fabricate one myself.

Surely given the popularity of the Model 41 someone would have come up with some better off the shelf options for red dot mounts for the likes of the Deltapoint Pro by now?????
I have got pretty handy with my CAD program and will be most happy to design one for you and generate a .step file that you can take to almost any CNC shop to have a mount made. I only need the exact dimensions of the rear sight notch and depth, dovetail angle etc..Just say'n...I do feel your pain as this was the case with my 4506.
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This is a Burris FF3 on BME base that fits in the dovetail on a 7" bbl that I cut down to 5"

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Give the good guys at EGW a call. They can direct you to the proper mount to fit the factory dovetail. Be prepared with some measurements of the dovetail when you call.
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Thanks for the reply, Larks.
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Give the good guys at EGW a call. They can direct you to the proper mount to fit the factory dovetail. Be prepared with some measurements of the dovetail when you call.
Iíd already contacted EGW and they advised that they canít help.

However John from BME was very quick to reply to my email and has advised that, although he canít ship his mount internationally (Iím in Australia), Iím able to buy his S&W41NEW-2000 mount for my comboí through GLN Global LLC in Round Rock Texas. So Iím going to follow up the BME sight mount with them and see what the damage is price and postage wise.......
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I have got pretty handy with my CAD program and will be most happy to design one for you and generate a .step file that you can take to almost any CNC shop to have a mount made. I only need the exact dimensions of the rear sight notch and depth, dovetail angle etc..Just say'n...I do feel your pain as this was the case with my 4506.
Thankyou for the very generous offer, Iíll follow up on the BME sight mount and see what the cost is. If itís over the top Iíll take you up on the offer as I know a couple of guys at my club who would also like a mount if I can come up with one. Iíll see what I can do about getting some accurate dimensions this afternoon anyway - might be easier said than done. Thanks again
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This is a Burris FF3 on BME base that fits in the dovetail on a 7" bbl that I cut down to 5"

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Looks great. If I didnít already have a Leupold Deltapoint sight sitting here ready to go Iíd have another look at the Burris sight to compare it against the Leupold and the Vortex Venom.
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I am waiting to pickup my new 7" model 41 and looking for a low profile mount to use a Vortex venom.

I have sent an email this morning to a guy in NH who makes mounts as far as I can tell to see if he can make one for me.

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Sorry I'm new here and was trying to reply to LARKS request.

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I've got several mounts from a company called OuterImpact. Give them a shout, they may be able to help.
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Thanks G dogs I just sent them an email.
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Another mount source might be Clark Custom Guns .
They do a lot of model 41 work and the mount for a Ruger MKII Target , that had a red dot mounted on it when I bought it , was marked Clark Custom Guns ... I later discovered they had done a target trigger job and mounted the sight on it .
They just might have model 41 mounts . Clark Custom Guns | Established 1950 | Princeton Louisiana

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Another mount source might be Clark Custom Guns .
They do a lot of model 41 work and the mount for a Ruger MKII Target , that had a red dot mounted on it when I bought it , was marked Clark Custom Guns ... I later discovered they had done a target trigger job and mounted the sight on it .
They just might have model 41 mounts . Clark Custom Guns | Established 1950 | Princeton Louisiana

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Thanks Gary: been talking to them but they don't ship directly to Canada,where I am so I have to go thru distributor.
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You can do what I did to come up with a reddot mount for my 4506...design one in CAD and have it machined out on a CNC machine. Loooks like if you knew the dimensions of the rear sight dovetail notch it would be pretty straight forward. It CAN be done!
I have low profile S&W 41 dovetail adapters for the most popular red dots in inventory - check kkdepot.com and query S&W 41 or call 585-202-4556

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I bought an aluminum Weaver rail and cut it to fit under my optic. It has two mounting holes near one end that match the holes drilled and tapped in the slide. I'm not a rail fan but I don't think it looks all that bad. Yes, I know it needs cleaned.

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Too bad S&W didn't do what Clark Custom Guns figured out.

Optics on most handguns create an awkward change to the balance and feel. Integral optic machining with the Clark barrel minimizes the negative aspects of optics usage.
Oh, yeah, and the Clark barrel is WAY more accurate than the factory barrel.

I know this post doesn't help, and probably doesn't even interest, the OP. But, hopefully someone else might find it useful to know.

(By the way, the grips on this m41 are the Herrett 1911 style "Trainer" grips.)
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