Best S&W for +P+ 9mm
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Unless you specify which +P+ specific load you have in mind, it is hard to say.
There are no established pressure standards for +P+, and each manufacturer loads what they choose.
The WIN loads for law enforcement are not all that much over +P, but there are some out there much hotter, maybe too hot for handguns.
There are no established pressure standards for +P+, and each manufacturer loads what they choose.
The WIN loads for law enforcement are not all that much over +P, but there are some out there much hotter, maybe too hot for handguns.
dwhite53
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Why not just find a .38 Super or even a 357 SIG? Easier than beating a good gun to pieces and will easily get you to the power level you feel you need.
All the Best,
D. White
All the Best,
D. White
I believe the 4006 is all steel, firing the .40 S&W. What same model in that generation would be chambered for 9mm? If there are no established pressure standards for +P+, then I would be content being able to fire P+. What is considered a P+ load?
bad_man_ one
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Tgwillard,
Find a M3566, .365TSW is in the range of a .357 Magnum.
It's the all steel version of a 6906 with a Briely bushing.
Regards,
BM1
Find a M3566, .365TSW is in the range of a .357 Magnum.
It's the all steel version of a 6906 with a Briely bushing.
Regards,
BM1
cassml1
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Man, That's a fine pistol there!Originally posted by bad_man_ one:
Tgwillard,
Find a M3566, .365TSW is in the range of a .357 Magnum.
It's the all steel version of a 6906 with a Briely bushing.
Regards,
BM1
That M3566 is a nice looking S&W. I did some reseach after posting and found that the advantage of using +P or +P+ compared to lower pressure loads is not that great and leads to more rapid wear of any 9mm, including the 92FS Beretta.
99% of the time the rounds I will be firing will be standard target loads.
99% of the time the rounds I will be firing will be standard target loads.
AgentM
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None of them. S&W does not warrantee 9mm handguns for +P+ usage. That's because of the aforementioned lack of an established pressure ceiling for +P+ ammo. They even go so far as to proscribe +P+ in 38Special-chambered revolvers, recommending the purchase of a .357mag if one wishes to shoot .38+P+.
This doesn't mean you will blow up your gun. It does mean that you will void your warranty. Also, the Beretta 92-series IS rated for +P+ ammunition, but they recommend limited quantities only.
This doesn't mean you will blow up your gun. It does mean that you will void your warranty. Also, the Beretta 92-series IS rated for +P+ ammunition, but they recommend limited quantities only.
Fuego
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I would only use American made +P+ ammunition. Seeing as how +P+ has no definition, an importer "could" sell that rumoured super-hot European SMG ammo as +P+.
I carry Federal +P+ in my 6906. I have test fired a magazine full out of each of my carry magazines to test them. They all work with +P+.
But ALL of my range shooting is done with normal everyday white box ammo or light reloads.
No point in damaging a good gun, and/or losing an eye trying to make a .357 out of a 9mm.
I carry Federal +P+ in my 6906. I have test fired a magazine full out of each of my carry magazines to test them. They all work with +P+.
But ALL of my range shooting is done with normal everyday white box ammo or light reloads.
No point in damaging a good gun, and/or losing an eye trying to make a .357 out of a 9mm.
Cruiser RN
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I shoot with the retired Armorer for YPD who was responsible for ammo selection and gun selection at that time.He has blown up a # of S+W's testing 9mm+P+ loads.The only gun that withstood the torture test of the 9mm +P+ consitently was the Glock,and to this day it is the sidearm of YPD and they use a 9mm +P+ duty round in it....God Bless.....Mike
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The Illinois State Police were the first agency, I recall, to use 9mm +P+ as a duty round. The round was the 115 grain Winchester. Their original pistols were the Model 39s. I don't know what problems they experienced that were related to the hot loads, but I was under the impression that they used that duty load in S&W autos for a number of years.
Very much appreciate all of the input. Good to know that my 6906 can handle +P and +P+ if required, but as I said 99% of my shooting will be with either factory target loads or mild loads I reload myself.
I will keep a look out for a good used 5906.
I will keep a look out for a good used 5906.
SharpshooterOPD
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For what it's worth, I carried a 5943 as a duty pistol for 10 years. My department's duty load was the Federal 115 grain BPLE +P+. My 5943 shot that +P+ load regulary and it never suffered any ill effects. The 5943's had an alloy frame just like your 6906.
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jaysouth
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If you are buying hot ammo in a retail store made by a major manufacturer, you are good to go with the 6906.
I have a boatload of Federal 9BPLE that I bought at auction when a PD changed over to .357 Sigs. I have shot thousands of rounds in a 908, 3914 and a 6906. There is no measurable wear on any of these guns.
If you are buying new ammo at retail, your wallet will wear out before your 3d gen Smith, be it a steel or alloy frame.
A poster here who is retired from the Ill SP, recounted how a firearms instructor at that agency shot over a hundred thousand rounds of +P+ ammo through a 5904 with no adverse effects except replacing a barrel near 50,000 rounds.
I have a boatload of Federal 9BPLE that I bought at auction when a PD changed over to .357 Sigs. I have shot thousands of rounds in a 908, 3914 and a 6906. There is no measurable wear on any of these guns.
If you are buying new ammo at retail, your wallet will wear out before your 3d gen Smith, be it a steel or alloy frame.
A poster here who is retired from the Ill SP, recounted how a firearms instructor at that agency shot over a hundred thousand rounds of +P+ ammo through a 5904 with no adverse effects except replacing a barrel near 50,000 rounds.
vl5150
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I think any 3rd gen is good to go if the recoil spring is sized well.
safearm
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I carried a 39, a 639, and a 6906; used the ISP load (Win 115 gr +P+) in all three and never had a problem. The all-steel 639 was the easiest to shoot, but all three were manageable.
Lee in Quartzsite
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The S&W Owner's Manual states the +P+ ammo is not to be used in any S&W firearms. Check out page 11,
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wc..._Pistol_06_16_08.pdf
http://www.smith-wesson.com/wc..._Pistol_06_16_08.pdf
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