Friend that works at a gun shop text me a pic of a 4013 TSW. 3 Mags generic box $375. I'll be going Monday to get it. He's holding for me. The condition is what I usually look for & for that price I couldn't pass on it.

Is the 4013 one that's able to be a "1013"?
Or being a TSW, just leave it alone?

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I think you need a 4013 that is a single stack to make a 1013 but I really don't know for sure. The TSW is a double stack.

At that price, I’d be on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich!

Noop. But the TSW 40s are good guns and $375 with 3 mags is a steal. That one is a ‘pre-rail’ TSW model. Mine has the rail.

Yup- The 8-shot early 4013 (and the rare-ish 4014) were built on a single-stack .45 frame and used modified 10XX mags (shorter length with a cartridge OAL gap spacer). These guns can be converted to 10 mm in a straight forward process. The later 9-shot 4013 are built on a 69XX size frame, and can't go to 10mm.

Ah ok. I had read just recently here about the 10mm conversion but couldn't remember which frame that was.

I'm prob in the minority but I do like .40 & love seeing the lower prices given the ".40 sucks". I reload 10/40 so ammo isn't a prob

.40 doesn't suck, as you know. Most agencies just went back to nine's that hold more ammo. So, the bottom fell out of the ,40 market.

That’s a fine looking pistol and a steal at that price.

The only conversion I’d do to it would be to convert it from clean to dirty from shooting a nice batch of .40 S&W through it.

Congratulations and enjoy your new blaster.


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Not a 40s fan but at that price & 3 mags it would have come home with me!

Christmas gift to one of my Boys w/ 100rd FMJ and 60rds [6mags IIRC] of hollowpoints

Getting quality firearms, ammunition and support accessories set aside for children and grandchildren is one of the most important things you can be doing right now. Trying to flesh out the assemblage of "every N-frame configuration that left Springfield" should be playing a distant second fiddle. Sorry if that upsets the hardcore collector types, but it's true.

That's a good price if it's in good shape.

There was a CHP variation of the pre-rail 4013TSW. Does that one have any asset numbers on the other side?

Mine below has a MSF52xx SN# & you can see the CHP inventory asset #s on the frame, slide, & barrel.

The CHP model is the same as a standard production 4013TSW except they don't have the trigger play spring installed, which is no biggie.

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And Yes, only the 4013, non TSW, can be converted to 10mm.

The TSW mags aren't long enough for a 10AUTO cartridge & their barrels & frame aren't as beefy.

Otherwise they're perfectly fine pistols, I have two.

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Wow. Those are great comparison pictures of the barrels. Really shows the true difference in thickness. The 10mm thing was a curiosity mainly.
I don't have a pic of the other side. I'll go pick it up Monday & snap some.
I'm just happy to have another 3rd gen Smith in .40 for a great deal. My other is a 410 that I've completely torn down, polished & replaced the springs. I also added the Hogue grips which are fantastic.

So, personally don't like the 4013, very chippy . Word of caution. We had to destroy alot of the 4013 because the frame cracked at the mag well. Aluminum alloy frame can't handle the stress/flex.

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I'd never trust the alloy frames to handle 10mm. I have a CS-40 with a cracked frame.

Olds , how many rounds of 10mm do you have through your CS40 ? I have the same setup , but I don't hardly shoot much 10mm .

I agree. The *1016*, if S&W had made it, would be a different story.

Well just picked it up. After tax, $402. Now time to strip it down & clean it

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It cracked with just shooting .40

At the end of my 4013-1013 conversion testing I had put (810) rounds of various 10Auto handloads thru it.

Since then I've only shot it a handful of times, mainly doing 10mm barrel length chrono comparison testing, so maybe (860?) now, plus the hundreds of hot .40S&W handloads I'd shot in it before the conversion, not to mention I'm not the original owner so no idea how much, or little, it was shot before me.

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I worked on the 1016 idea (in my thread below) by using a 4516 lower 4516 with a 4013 upper but unfortunately it had a few issues that precluded it from being a viable option, at least at my level of ability & resources.

Genesis: 4013 to 1013 to 1016

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In the late 80's/early 90's, S&W never denied the fact that their alloy framed pistols were never expected to achieve the round counts of their steel framed pistols, but rather were engineered to take some of the weight off an LEO's daily load.

John

Correct, … and again the smaller alloy-frame 3rd Gen pistols were market-specific: think police-admin types (deputy chiefs) whose sidearms typically are “carried much and shot hardly at all,” except on the annual or bi-annual 50-rd qual course.