MartinSW41
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Is anyone reproducing the labels used to identify the gun, serial number, barrel length etc. placed on the outside of the Doskocil cases S & W shipped the guns in?
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Reproductions?
Like forgeries? I hope not.
Like forgeries? I hope not.
I don't believe he is asking about S&W labels. I think they are looking for Generic stick on labels.
Sounds like reproduction, (counterfeit,) factory labels are being sought to me. Years ago I was shocked to find out that they are available. I mentioned it here on the Forum. There are three different colors to mimic aging from white to brownish.
Hopefully these aren’t being used for nefarious intentions.
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Jim, nothing "nefarious" just have a gun or two in original cases which no longer have labels. Didn't think anything sinister but I guess in today's world.....
I once went to a gun show where a seller had a full table of nice looking Smith's. I looked at his guns and listened to him give his spiel to other attendees. He was knowledgeable and a good talker.
As I was looking I noticed that his boxes looked strange. His labels at the end of the boxes where really white and had 90 degree corners as if he made them at a copies store. I inquired about a gun (forgot what model) and asked if the box was serialized to the gun he assured me it was. I didn't pick it up to verify for sure as I already knew he was lying. He made copies from a scanner printed up a few then added them to some of his boxes to make them look correct. These were 2 piece blue Bangor Punta boxes. I simply smiled and walked away. My buddy asked me why I didn't buy or look any further as he had some items I was looking for?
I said he is nothing but a bottom feeder and doesn't deserve anyone's time or money. 1st clue is brand new white label with no wear at all? 2nd the edges of the labels should of been rounded and the blue outline of the labels was too bright, the penned information such as the serial # was with fresh ink.
I generally buy my Smith's with correct boxes but do have some with box but not serialized to gun. Those are used as to further my collection with correct gun/box combo.
I will not deal with people like that period! It's deceptive and not cool! I always try to do my best to let any buyer know all aspects of my guns when selling.
So I hope this helps and just know even with good intentions some may frown on it.
2 pennies worth, Cities
As I was looking I noticed that his boxes looked strange. His labels at the end of the boxes where really white and had 90 degree corners as if he made them at a copies store. I inquired about a gun (forgot what model) and asked if the box was serialized to the gun he assured me it was. I didn't pick it up to verify for sure as I already knew he was lying. He made copies from a scanner printed up a few then added them to some of his boxes to make them look correct. These were 2 piece blue Bangor Punta boxes. I simply smiled and walked away. My buddy asked me why I didn't buy or look any further as he had some items I was looking for?
I said he is nothing but a bottom feeder and doesn't deserve anyone's time or money. 1st clue is brand new white label with no wear at all? 2nd the edges of the labels should of been rounded and the blue outline of the labels was too bright, the penned information such as the serial # was with fresh ink.
I generally buy my Smith's with correct boxes but do have some with box but not serialized to gun. Those are used as to further my collection with correct gun/box combo.
I will not deal with people like that period! It's deceptive and not cool! I always try to do my best to let any buyer know all aspects of my guns when selling.
So I hope this helps and just know even with good intentions some may frown on it.
2 pennies worth, Cities
Creep in TN....may still be around
20-30 years ago when I was heavy into Colts and had some real nice ones, but without boxes a colleague of mine at work stumbled onto a seller on flea - bay that has kind of a foreign screen name (like Blogovich or similar???) and I believe was located in Tennesse.
This seller actually sold new cardboard boxes with similar colors, exact logo copies, and even end labels in several colors. Was very hard to distinguish from originals especially when looking at computer images of guns for sale with "original" boxes.
In person you could spot this junk easily. As stated above..the collecting society as a whole really flamed this guy (or gal...who knows), but be careful....he may still be selling this bogus merchandise under different names, venues, etc.
Really....lowlifes still abound!!!
20-30 years ago when I was heavy into Colts and had some real nice ones, but without boxes a colleague of mine at work stumbled onto a seller on flea - bay that has kind of a foreign screen name (like Blogovich or similar???) and I believe was located in Tennesse.
This seller actually sold new cardboard boxes with similar colors, exact logo copies, and even end labels in several colors. Was very hard to distinguish from originals especially when looking at computer images of guns for sale with "original" boxes.
In person you could spot this junk easily. As stated above..the collecting society as a whole really flamed this guy (or gal...who knows), but be careful....he may still be selling this bogus merchandise under different names, venues, etc.
Really....lowlifes still abound!!!
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I wouldn't mind some. Even if they were intentionally made enough different that they weren't confused as original, yet weren't bland white Avery labels. I have just a few hand guns of different brands that don't have labels. I ended up putting a vinyl sticker on the outside of the hard cases just so I wouldn't have to open them up.
Years ago, Dan Wesson released the Razorback and for its early guns, it serialized the mags and with the logo. If you bought mags later from them and wanted them engraved, they would do it and it was an exact match. Except that the Razorback faced the opposite direction as seen below (top is original, bottom was done by DW later). I think this still adds something to the personalized nature of the gun, but also lets people know it isn't original. Maybe something like that. Or, maybe an authentic S&W label, but with a "reproduction" watermark or similar. Again, something to help with those like me that want something like original, but not so exact that it promotes bad actors. I generally only buy handguns with box and papers and I have some really rare ones (1046 comes to mind). Rifles, I don't care that much about since I use Rifle Rods in my safe instead of stacking in their boxes like I do with pistols.
Edit - Hmm, I tried to post a picture but it just posted a screen full of characters. Not sure why.
Years ago, Dan Wesson released the Razorback and for its early guns, it serialized the mags and with the logo. If you bought mags later from them and wanted them engraved, they would do it and it was an exact match. Except that the Razorback faced the opposite direction as seen below (top is original, bottom was done by DW later). I think this still adds something to the personalized nature of the gun, but also lets people know it isn't original. Maybe something like that. Or, maybe an authentic S&W label, but with a "reproduction" watermark or similar. Again, something to help with those like me that want something like original, but not so exact that it promotes bad actors. I generally only buy handguns with box and papers and I have some really rare ones (1046 comes to mind). Rifles, I don't care that much about since I use Rifle Rods in my safe instead of stacking in their boxes like I do with pistols.
Edit - Hmm, I tried to post a picture but it just posted a screen full of characters. Not sure why.
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Quite a few years ago I bought a couple of sheets of blank S&W labels at the Tulsa gun show. I thought they were kinda cool, and still have them somewhere.........I won't tell you who's table they came from.......
Any labels deemed ‘close enough’ are going to be passed off as original after it leaves your hands.
I feel it unfair to those with less experience in the hobby to unwittingly get a gun with a reproduction label.
Just make your own. Look how the repro box fiasco has diluted the Colt hobby.
I feel it unfair to those with less experience in the hobby to unwittingly get a gun with a reproduction label.
Just make your own. Look how the repro box fiasco has diluted the Colt hobby.
Several years ago I was at a show and a guy had new "vintage" Winchester boxes. It wasn't long after that, I saw a table with several refinished Winchester 37's in the "original" boxes. Those boxes looked brand new.
But back to fake labels, I know a crook that could use a few. I've seen him at couple different shows with guns still in the original box, but the labels were peeled off for some mysterious reason. He'll tell you the guns are "still in the original box" when you look at his table. I asked him once why the labels were missing, but he said "who knows".
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I have used the reproduction labels twice, no intent to decieve.
In both cases the glue on the original label failed and they fell off. I put the repo's on so I could tell what was in the box and the originals went in the box and went with the gun when sold.
In both cases the glue on the original label failed and they fell off. I put the repo's on so I could tell what was in the box and the originals went in the box and went with the gun when sold.
If you literally have the original label and you include it inside the box, I think you have just detailed the only time a reproduction label makes any good sense if morality matters.
And for the record, there are most definitely some labels that fell off in the history of S&W. Happened sometimes on the blue two-piece boxes but there was a series of plastic boxes used in the early 1990's that simply would NOT keep a hold of that end label. Many of the Performance Center guns had these and many folks kept the labels as they fell of quite soon after the gun was first purchased.
