I will be writing S&W about producing a pistol caliber carbine. Which would be best a AR type or a Beretta Storm or a Taurus CT rifle?

I'd actually go with a 4th option: Something like the Kel-Tec Sub2000. It makes no sense to me putting a pistol round in something as heavy as an AR. A nice, sub 4-lb, simple carbine is what I'd like to see. I know S&W likes to appeal to the government agencies, but I think they'd be successful pitching this as a bug out gun.

M1 Carbine without the cutout for a sling stock and leave the M1 designation off so we can buy it in NJ.

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Affordable like the hi point carbine, but looks like the Ruger.
Take the SD9VE or M&P mags.

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+1 on affordable & M&P mags. I've been holding off waiting for the Sub2000 to become available with the M&P mags. I'd be happy to wait a bit longer for a S&W.

Maybe something like my Marlin Camp 9 Carbine? It already accepts a S&W model 59 Hi Cap mag. They also made a 45 ACP version. They are fun to shoot but they can really chew thru some ammo

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I might be in to a lightweight folding stock carbine that that makes the pistol mags but keep price point under 400

I wish S&W would make a Mod 29 Revolver Rifle like the Taurus rifle.
16.5 inch bbl with a picatinny rail designed so you could use the iron sights with the optic removed.

I have killed several deer and pigs with a 44 Mag rifle. It is as good as ANYTHING out to 125 yards.

I'd buy their version of a 45/410

I had a CX4 Storm for a while in 45. It was accurate, dependable but a little heavy for its size. With blowback operation that is to be expected. While I can understand the pistol carbine attraction I found after I got mine I used and found uses for it a lot less than I anticipated. It moved on quickly. I am certain others will think differently. The Storm also was a little on the pricey side. I almost got a Hi Point and looked seriously at them but they seemed to me even a little heavier than the Storm.

My suggestion to S&W is if you build one make it as light as you can, have larger capacity magazines available for those that like that sort of thing and have the controls easy to use and either make it ambidextrous or easily swapped. The Storm was not completely easy to swap. No polymer internals like the Storm either.

I think a Sub2000 type of rifle for a pistol caliber would be an obvious product for any large manufacturer. I'm actually sort of shocked that Ruger hasn't tried something similar with their Mini platform. It seems like it would fill a whole entry level to pull people who already own the pistols into the rifle side.

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+1 on this idea.

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But then, what do I know?

From 1985 - 1999, Marlin produced the Camp 9. Fortunately I now own both the Sub2000 in 9mm that uses the Glock 17 mags and a Marlin Camp 9 that takes the Model 59 mags. Had a 59 so the Marlin purchase was a no brainer. Bought the Sub2000 then felt compelled to buy a plasto-o-matic to make the set. hardcase60

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You want me to do what?

I got a response from S&W.Dear Customer,

Thank you for your interest in Smith & Wesson.  For your protection and ours, Smith & Wesson will only consider submissions from inventors who have either a pending patent application or a valid, issued patent covering the invention submitted.  Please note that Smith & Wesson will not consider or accept submissions for ideas that are not inherently subject to patent protection, such as methods of doing business, advertising, marketing or merchandising schemes, etc.  Please visit Attention Inventors - Smith & Wesson more information and instructions regarding submitting an invention to Smith & Wesson.

Since S&W already makes an AR-type rifle, they could easily make a pistol caliber AR using M&P magazines.

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Luke 22:36

This is the next letter I sent.

Sir I'm not a inventor. I'm just a shooter. That would like to have a rifle that I could used the same ammo and my magazines of my M&P pistol. Their are on the market now AR-15's that will take glock or colt style magazines because they have been design with a integrated magwell milled to take them. You would have to design and manufacture a new bolt, trigger group and recoil spring and buffer. Here are a few companies that make AR-15 lowers that have a Dedicated magazine well for Glock or colt style magazines.
Rock River Arms
Lone Wolf Distributors
MGI
New Frontier Armory
The question is how hard would it be for S&W to make a AR style rifle that has a Dedicated magazine well for the S&W M&P magazines?

Steven Williams

PS Two things;
Who on the Board of Directors do I write to plead my case.
You could be missing out on marketing to both the civilian and military markets.

I hope you get their attention with your letters. I had a Camp 9, but was offered way more than I had in it, so it got traded. I immediately missed having a pistol caliber carbine. I recently gave in and picked up a used CX4 Storm, and so far so good. But I think you're on the right track. I don't really want to buy a Beretta 92, so I won't. But I would buy a full size M&P if I had a matching carbine!

Ditto on that. The 59/Camp 9 combo is a hard one to beat IMO.

Huh. I would be interested in a carbine in .44 Mag or 500 S&W, but if S&W won't take suggestions from anyone except inventors with a patent pending, then I guess this forum thread is a total waste and might as well be removed!

@Retired Chief
Just complain and asked for the email addresses of the Board of Directors and the tunes changes.

Dear Steven,
We would like to thank you for your e-mail and contacting Smith & Wesson / Thompson Center.

Thank you for your suggestion. Smith & Wesson considers customer input a valuable resource, from which to draw on, during the decision making process.

Your comments are being forwarded to the Marketing Department and the appropriate Management Team for review and consideration.

Thank You for choosing Smith & Wesson / Thompson Center products. Have a great day.
Smith&Wesson values its customers and we are happy to have served you today. Please do not hesitate to contact us should you require further assistance.
Regards

So we wait and see what will happen

MP5.

We just have to get the next Congress to rescind the 1986 ban.

I contacted Smith and Wesson in May of last year about a pistol caliber carbine built on the M&P platform. I suppose if enough requests are made someone may listen.

Attached is the reply I received.

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At lease you got a better reply from S&W than I did. I'm thinking of writing one of the Board of Director. Do you think it would help?

Pistol carbines have their place, I know that my Beretta CX4 9mm carbine and Beretta 92FS make for a great, fun to shoot combination!



And my CMMG MK9LE with a Slidefire stock is just pure fun!

From CMMG
Steven,
We have certainly ran that through the mill, but at this time we do not know of when anything will come to light with it. We would like to break into that market but right now we are only offering the Colt design mags. Please let me know if you have any other questions and I will be happy to help.

Ruger has kind of already done this with their Police Carbine in 9mm and .40 S&W. I have a PC4 and think it's a fine pistol caliber carbine but apparently the sales were not brisk enough for Ruger so they discontinued production a few years back.

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