10-6 .357 Magnum question. NYSP?

[truckemup97]

I picked up a 10-6 .357 Magnum today. I was wondering if NYSP put any markings on theirs, as it doesn't say NYSP anywhere. The only marking other than what came from the factory is a "47" stamped under the assembly number on the crane. So would this be one of the over-run, or could it have been a NYSP issue? It does have holster wear but looks like it has been fired very little, as most issued guns likely would be. Somebody school me on these guns, please.

Thanks!!

 

[Jack Flash]

Per the SCS&W:

... frame marked 10-6, ".357 Magnum" on the barrel. No known police markings.

I had a chance to buy one and passed it up. Some day, maybe ...

 

[Horseless Trooper]

As far as I know the NYSP marked all their revolvers. I know the 28s and 681s and 65s were marked on the left side of the frame under the cylinder. The Detective Specials were marked on the back of the grip.

 

[Professor Frink]

I seem to recall that NYSP 10-6 revolvers were not marked by/for the agency. I also have a NYSP 10-6 357, mine has no NYSP markings.

 

[kbm6893]

Why'd they phase out the .357 Model 10? I guess they were pushing the 19? Seems like a cool gun to own. Are they more fragile than a 19?

 

[jlanecole]

Why'd they phase out the .357 Model 10? I guess they were pushing the 19? Seems like a cool gun to own. Are they more fragile than a 19?

I thought they replaced them with the model 13.

 

[kbm6893]

I thought they replaced them with the model 13.

Maybe. The trooper guns were 4", though. 13's are 3 inch.

 

[29-1]

I thought they replaced them with the model 13.

Yes, the 10-6 357 evolved into the Model 13 357. I'll try and post a copy of a factory letter on a 13 that explains in great detail the evolution of the Model 13. In 1972 the last 1200 Model 10-6 in 357 Mag were built for LEAs and were actually the first Model 13s though they were stamped 10-6.
Chuck

 

[kbm6893]

Yes, the 10-6 357 evolved into the Model 13 357. I'll try and post a copy of a factory letter on a 13 that explains in great detail the evolution of the Model 13. In 1972 the last 1200 Model 10-6 in 357 Mag were built for LEAs and were actually the first Model 13s though they were stamped 10-6.
Chuck

So uniformed cops were carrying 3" Model 13's? Interesting. Or did the early Model 13's come with 4 inch barrels?

 

[03clyde]

The 10-6, chambered in .357magnum, followed the 4" Colt Official Police. As far as I know, the agency did not mark the 10-6, nor the 13-1 before they moved on to the 28-2 which was their first revolver marked NYSP vs. the earlier NYST stampings.

 

[Muley Gil]

"13's are 3 inch."

Not all of them. I've owned several 4" square butt M13s and have known other police officers that also owned 4" M13s.

"Are they more fragile than a 19?"

No more than a M10. The M13s had the heavy barrel like some of the M10s. The exposed ejector rod is a bit more prone to bending as opposed the enclosed rod found on the M19s.

 

[rkw1786]

I started with the NYSP in September 1977 and was issued a 10-6 357 with a 4" barrel and I do not recall it being marked. The next gun issued was the Model 28 marked NYSP just prior to the Olympics in Lake Placid. Around 1983 we got 681 4" marked NYSP on the left frame above the trigger. Because I was on the SWAT team (Mobile Response Team) I was issued one of the first Glocks in 9mm(I think the serial Number was US00051) After Tpr AJ Speer got shot and killed in Horseheads NY we went to the Glock in 45 GAP. Other parts of the NYSP carried a variety of issue guns. The NARC's when I started were issued Walthers in 380 (PPK I think, even though they were banned by the 1968 GCA) The BCI (detectives when I started carried 2" Colt DS in 38 spl and went to a 3" stainless (I think 13) when the uniform went to the model 28. On the MRT the first automatic we were issued was the Beretta 92 in 9mm. I was involved in the R&D and because the military had adopted it we had a lot of data to show the need and didn't need to prove much to the people that make the decisions. When the the state started researching the general issue automatic in the mid-80's Glock and Sig Sauer when the tests based in the multiple factors for a general issue handgun for a large department. The Glock had one malfunction per 1000 rounds and the Sig P226 had none. These were torture tests and not your everyday going to the range type shooting. When it came down to it both guns were exceptional. When it came down to buying the guns, Glock basically said give us your Smith and Wesson 681's and buy the holsters from us and we will give you the Glocks. Sig wanted 1+ million for the 5k + guns. I believe the NYSP were the first large department to adopt the Glock ( I got mine in the summer of 1988) so whoever was in Glocks marketing should be complemented. This is the "in the trenches" version and I am sure someone has another one but this is the one most of the field people know.

 

[Rapidray]

Yes, the 10-6 357 evolved into the Model 13 357. I'll try and post a copy of a factory letter on a 13 that explains in great detail the evolution of the Model 13. In 1972 the last 1200 Model 10-6 in 357 Mag were built for LEAs and were actually the first Model 13s though they were stamped 10-6.
Chuck

I would love to see your letter. If you could post it that would be great! My 10-6 has no markings either. It has like the flat blue. What I love the most about this model is the smooth combat trigger which is oversized and the oversized hammer.
To all 10-6 357 mag owners : When you pull the trigger double action is it a long pull or short? Mine is short. It is my most accurate revolver! Enjoy!

 

[squidsix]

I had the 10-6, and posted it here. I liked it, but let it go at a huge profit, and bought more S&Ws. It was in the serial range of the NYSP guns, and had the matching features. Very smooth shooter. Had I not been offered to triple my money, I would still have it. It was not marked conspicuously.
Side note: I have seen model 10-6 revolvers that were over-stamped 13.

 

[squidsix]

http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1961-1980/186866-10-6-357-magnum-score.html
This is the thread about mine. Enjoy!

 

[ben1]

rkw1786 I started in Law Enforcement in Texas in 1984 and I enjoyed your very detailed story. You are right I remember the Glocks spreading like wildfire because of the marketing. I own a 13-3 3 inch. I carried one like it as an off duty for many years before I had to have something else. Got one back last year. Great gun.

 

[29-1]

I would love to see your letter. If you could post it that would be great! My 10-6 has no markings either. It has like the flat blue. What I love the most about this model is the smooth combat trigger which is oversized and the oversized hammer.
To all 10-6 357 mag owners : When you pull the trigger double action is it a long pull or short? Mine is short. It is my most accurate revolver! Enjoy!

Ray, here you go. Sorry it took so long to post this info. Thanks for reminding me to do it. Getting old I guess.
Chuck

 

[Rapidray]

29-1

Love the letter...so you have an F.B.I. 13-2. That is cool. I am thinking maybe I should get my 10-6 lettered as it does have the flat blue finish or what's left of it. And they say those are the ones the NYSP got. Again thanks for sharing!

 

[SixGunHunter]

WOW WOW WOW!
What a great Thread! Fantastic reading Guys. That letter is helpful.
It is nice to see S&W help so much with these older revolvers.

I recently called Ruger about a SS Mini 14 "G" model (181 series) from 1980. They refused to tell me anything about the history. I am told it belonged to a small PD here in NH, but a letter from Ruger would of been really neat to display with my Mini 14.

 

[gsparesa]

I started with the NYSP in September 1977 and was issued a 10-6 357 with a 4" barrel and I do not recall it being marked. The next gun issued was the Model 28 marked NYSP just prior to the Olympics in Lake Placid. Around 1983 we got 681 4" marked NYSP on the left frame above the trigger. Because I was on the SWAT team (Mobile Response Team) I was issued one of the first Glocks in 9mm(I think the serial Number was US00051) After Tpr AJ Speer got shot and killed in Horseheads NY we went to the Glock in 45 GAP. Other parts of the NYSP carried a variety of issue guns. The NARC's when I started were issued Walthers in 380 (PPK I think, even though they were banned by the 1968 GCA) The BCI (detectives when I started carried 2" Colt DS in 38 spl and went to a 3" stainless (I think 13) when the uniform went to the model 28. On the MRT the first automatic we were issued was the Beretta 92 in 9mm. I was involved in the R&D and because the military had adopted it we had a lot of data to show the need and didn't need to prove much to the people that make the decisions. When the the state started researching the general issue automatic in the mid-80's Glock and Sig Sauer when the tests based in the multiple factors for a general issue handgun for a large department. The Glock had one malfunction per 1000 rounds and the Sig P226 had none. These were torture tests and not your everyday going to the range type shooting. When it came down to it both guns were exceptional. When it came down to buying the guns, Glock basically said give us your Smith and Wesson 681's and buy the holsters from us and we will give you the Glocks. Sig wanted 1+ million for the 5k + guns. I believe the NYSP were the first large department to adopt the Glock ( I got mine in the summer of 1988) so whoever was in Glocks marketing should be complemented. This is the "in the trenches" version and I am sure someone has another one but this is the one most of the field people know.

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