Has there been a documented defense shooting with a 10mm ?
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10mm Pistol Cartridge
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My buddy took a nice buck with a single 175 gr Silver Tip out of his Colt DE. Not sure if it was defensive or offensive, but it still had an apple in his mouth. 
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Greenland's Sirius Dog Sled Patrol has killed at least one polar bear with a 10mm pistol.
I'm just curious...
Why do you ask?
Are you asking for Non-LE shootings?
Over the last 30+ years there have to be many 1,000s perhaps even 10s of 1,000s of documented 10MM defensive shootings involving humans
Or are you seeking animal encounters?
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I am considering a 10mm Model 29SF for CCW to be an alternative to my Glock Model 30 .45acp.
Alk8944
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There is no question that the 10mm cartridge is more than adequate for self-defense. It will definitely "get the job done" if needed.
One thing to keep in mind. A man in Arizona used a 10mm in a self-defense scenario which resulted in the death of the attacker. An over-zealous County Attorney attempted to charge the shooter with murder as in his opinion by carrying such a powerful pistol indicated the prior intent to kill if the situation ever arose to shoot an attacker. Ridiculous abuse by the Prosecutor and the man was eventually exonerated, but he should never have been charged! Cost him a bunch before a final resolution!
It can happen.
One thing to keep in mind. A man in Arizona used a 10mm in a self-defense scenario which resulted in the death of the attacker. An over-zealous County Attorney attempted to charge the shooter with murder as in his opinion by carrying such a powerful pistol indicated the prior intent to kill if the situation ever arose to shoot an attacker. Ridiculous abuse by the Prosecutor and the man was eventually exonerated, but he should never have been charged! Cost him a bunch before a final resolution!
It can happen.
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There is no question that the 10mm cartridge is more than adequate for self-defense. It will definitely "get the job done" if needed.
One thing to keep in mind. A man in Arizona used a 10mm in a self-defense scenario which resulted in the death of the attacker. An over-zealous County Attorney attempted to charge the shooter with murder as in his opinion by carrying such a powerful pistol indicated the prior intent to kill if the situation ever arose to shoot an attacker. Ridiculous abuse by the Prosecutor and the man was eventually exonerated, but he should never have been charged! Cost him a bunch before a final resolution!
You beat me to it. And the jury "of his peers" accepted the assertion, expressed that he ought not have used so powerful a cartridge. Ron White was right - you can't fix stupid. I just hope to avoid it.
See......
See "Harold Fish". A schoolteacher who went for a hike and ended up in prison for three years.
There is no question that the 10mm cartridge is more than adequate for self-defense. It will definitely "get the job done" if needed.
One thing to keep in mind. A man in Arizona used a 10mm in a self-defense scenario which resulted in the death of the attacker. An over-zealous County Attorney attempted to charge the shooter with murder as in his opinion by carrying such a powerful pistol indicated the prior intent to kill if the situation ever arose to shoot an attacker. Ridiculous abuse by the Prosecutor and the man was eventually exonerated, but he should never have been charged! Cost him a bunch before a final resolution!
See "Harold Fish". A schoolteacher who went for a hike and ended up in prison for three years.
Unfortunately, yes, it can happen. Guess it was a good thing that he was not using a caliber that had "magnum" in its designation.There is no question that the 10mm cartridge is more than adequate for self-defense. It will definitely "get the job done" if needed.
One thing to keep in mind. A man in Arizona used a 10mm in a self-defense scenario which resulted in the death of the attacker. An over-zealous County Attorney attempted to charge the shooter with murder as in his opinion by carrying such a powerful pistol indicated the prior intent to kill if the situation ever arose to shoot an attacker. Ridiculous abuse by the Prosecutor and the man was eventually exonerated, but he should never have been charged! Cost him a bunch before a final resolution!
STORMINORMAN
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Both whould be more than adequate... Uh, either should be adequate even IF there were griz in Florida!
But, don't let me dissuade you!
Cheers!
P.S. I have a couple 10mms and the HiPoint is not really a carry-type sidearm and the XDM Elite is pretty big as well: certainly not for a CCW...
Doug M.
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I think the FBI had some, and my old SO had a couple when that was the issue round. The case cited above was well past malpractice and into misconduct - prosecutor should have been disbarred.
I doubt that the cost to change is worth it.
I doubt that the cost to change is worth it.
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Best carry 10 is a CS40/10 or a 4013/1013. Single stack perfection!
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If a fella wants to change caliber just because, well, that is a perfectly valid reason!
For more stopping power on thin skinned varmints? Modern terminal ballistics show that there is surprisingly little difference in lethality between the mainstream handgun cartridges.
For sturdy animals, heavy 10mm SWC seem to penetrate further than .45 ACP ball or SWC due to higher sectional density and velocity.
Maybe you know, a lot of commercial 10mm loads are watered down. Probably not an issue unless you are in bear country.
For more stopping power on thin skinned varmints? Modern terminal ballistics show that there is surprisingly little difference in lethality between the mainstream handgun cartridges.
For sturdy animals, heavy 10mm SWC seem to penetrate further than .45 ACP ball or SWC due to higher sectional density and velocity.
Maybe you know, a lot of commercial 10mm loads are watered down. Probably not an issue unless you are in bear country.
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I have two 10MM's in the gun safes. One is a Ruger SR1911 10MM. The other is a S&W Model 610 10MM/.40. Both are a tad on the large size for CCW and godawfully heavy for carry, unless you are wearing a good gun belt. Maybe in the winter with a heavy coat and a good shoulder holster. But not here in Fla.
The 10MM Auto cartridge is a wonderful self defense cartridge with almost any of the ammunition offerings on the market
In terms of animal defense, the 10MM Auto cartridge works well when one of the premium hunting rounds is chosen
The CS10s make great pocket guns
In terms of animal defense, the 10MM Auto cartridge works well when one of the premium hunting rounds is chosen
The 1013/1014 is a wonderful belt gun
The CS10s make great pocket guns
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10mm Auto is an extremely powerful cartridge, boasting similar muzzle energy to .357 Magnum with a larger diameter bullet.
However, this is only true of full power ammunition, and to this very day the vast majority of 10mm ammunition is substantially downloaded to roughly .40 S&W performance, which frankly defeats the purpose of carrying a bigger, heavier, more expensive firearm.
So basically you need to look at the specs.
180grs @ 1300fps = 10mm Auto
200grs @ 1200fps = 10mm Auto
180grs @ 1000fps = 10mm Lite (a.k.a. FBI Loads, which served as the basis of .40 S&W)
Unfortunately, to get full power 10mm Auto loads, you basically have to go through boutique loaders like Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, or Underwood, because even the hottest of factory loaded ammo by companies like Federal, Speer, or SIG is still underloaded, albeit marginally hotter than .40 S&W, at least.
However, this is only true of full power ammunition, and to this very day the vast majority of 10mm ammunition is substantially downloaded to roughly .40 S&W performance, which frankly defeats the purpose of carrying a bigger, heavier, more expensive firearm.
So basically you need to look at the specs.
180grs @ 1300fps = 10mm Auto
200grs @ 1200fps = 10mm Auto
180grs @ 1000fps = 10mm Lite (a.k.a. FBI Loads, which served as the basis of .40 S&W)
Unfortunately, to get full power 10mm Auto loads, you basically have to go through boutique loaders like Buffalo Bore, Double Tap, or Underwood, because even the hottest of factory loaded ammo by companies like Federal, Speer, or SIG is still underloaded, albeit marginally hotter than .40 S&W, at least.
That last statement may have been true 15-20 years ago, but it is more of an Urban Legend today.
These were mostly released in the last 5-10 years:
The SIG 180 V-Crown leaves the P220 at 1250 FPS for 624 pound feet of muzzle energy
The FEDERAL 180 Trophy Bonded departs at 1275 FPS for 650 pound feet of muzzle energy
The Hornady 180 XTP also runs at 1275 FPS for 650 pound feet of muzzle energy
The Winchester 180 bonded JHP has a 1240 FPS muzzle velocity for 615 pound feet of muzzle energy
So the Boutique ammunition houses do not have the market cornered on powerful 10MM Auto ammo
Yes it is true that several of the other major manufacturers have not yet stepped up to the plate with a return to more powerful ammunition, but they will as time goes on
The last decade has seen an explosion of new firearms from virtually every manufacturer. It only make sense that new ammunition offerings have to follow
AJ
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I have four boxes of Liberty Ammunition "Civil Defense" in 10MM. It only has a 60 grain JHP bullet, however it is rated at 2400 FPS. It has 780 FPE. No desires to have to use it for defense, but if it lives up to it's claims ought to do a fair job.
