150942LE - 8.5# Trigger?

[T-BoneFL]

I am interested in an M&P40c, and Buds Police Supply has this one listed, but the trigger is 8.5#.

I cannot find the part number (150942) anywhere, and never saw anything regarding a 8.5# trigger pulls on M&Ps. This a typo? Or something special made for some states? Or is the gun old/discontinued stock?

Thanks...
-T

 

[g_conway]

Thats a MA. Compliant gun. Do not buy if you want to do a full APEX kit. Otherwise trigger can be reduced to about 6.5 with APEX DCAEK (will bring down to 4.5-5 on a non-compliant gun)

 

[jnyav8r]

I live in Mass, bought the M&P 9 with a 12lb 6oz trigger,got it down to 10lb just putting 300 rounds down the pipe,installed apex DCAEK and am now down to a crisp 4.7 trigger. Mass compliant or not shouldnt mean anything with the full kit.

 

[g_conway]

I live in Mass, bought the M&P 9 with a 12lb 6oz trigger,got it down to 10lb just putting 300 rounds down the pipe,installed apex DCAEK and am now down to a crisp 4.7 trigger. Mass compliant or not shouldnt mean anything with the full kit.

According to APEX web site, there are a few parts that wont work in a MA gun due to a different block config for that gun.

I have know personal experiance with MA compliant so I am just going on that.

 

[presspics]

It is actually better to start with a MA compliant gun if you are planning a trigger job. The MA guns have always had the larger sear plunger and spring which prevents sear bounce. S&W has only recently converted all of it's M&P's to the larger plunger and spring.

 

[T-BoneFL]

I thought MA had a 10# trigger law. When did it change to 10#? I ask because the gun in question has an 8.5# trigger. I've seen posts on other sites that state the 10# Mass law was current as of 2009.

-T

 

[presspics]

The MA requirement is a 10LB trigger. Has been since 1998.

 

[icemn]

I live in Mass, bought the M&P 9 with a 12lb 6oz trigger,got it down to 10lb just putting 300 rounds down the pipe,installed apex DCAEK and am now down to a crisp 4.7 trigger. Mass compliant or not shouldnt mean anything with the full kit.

I'm impressed with the 4.7 lb trigger. My Ma 9c is very well broken in with an action job and complete dcaek and my trigger pull measures 6.5 lbs. which I am very pleased with. I'm assuming you did not replace the trigger spring, correct?

 

[southchatham]

These are LE guns, not MA version. Notice it comes with 3 magazines and night sights.

 

[jnyav8r]

DCAEK kit came with a new trigger spring

 

[T-BoneFL]

These are LE guns, not MA version. Notice it comes with 3 magazines and night sights.

Gotcha. That makes sense since MA is 10#.

So a follow-on question for all: Since I currently own the M&P9c with a stock trigger (~6#), will the 8.5# be really noticeably harder to pull? My guns are for range and CCW.

-T

 

[Lost Lake]

I'd say the pull on a 8.5lb trigger will be about 2.5 lbs more than the pull on a 6lb trigger. Dang near 50% more.

Is that an issue? I think so, but not like you think I'm going to say.

I have target rifles with less than 2lb triggers. I know the benefits of a lighter trigger. But for my carry guns, I'm scared to go less than 6 - 8lbs.

The other day I was in the woods burning some garbage and had my 9c in a IWB. I pulled it to dispatch a few tin cans and when reholstering I missed, I don't know why, maybe just too sure that the holster was exactly where it always is or maybe because I was standing on a slope or whatever, I missed.

The gun bounced up off my pant waist as I pushed it down into what I thought was the holster and twisted then and somehow I ended up catching the gun as it fell by the trigger. Not intentionally, but the gun ended up on my finger hanging by the trigger.

If that was a 1.5lb trigger it would have went bang real easy! In fact, it could have gone bang bang bang bang as it flew and I fumbled!

So for me, and I understand if your mileage varies, I want a pretty stiff trigger on a gun that I am reaching behind my back and tucking into a IWB holster, or maybe sliding into a dash mounted sleeve or whatever.

For me anyway, I want that extra security of a stiff trigger for tucking, pulling, carrying in my pants or coat. I'll leave the light triggers on the guns I use for range and hunting.

 

[T-BoneFL]

Just a follow-up to an experiment I performed. Since this gun has an 8.5# trigger and my 9c has a 6.5# trigger (per spec, +/-), I tied a 32 fluid ounce can of crushed tomatoes to a shoe lace, and then tied the other end of the lace to my finger.

Popped in a snap cap, pointed the gun straight down to the floor, and pulled the trigger. Was it too hard? Well, not really... but I took only about 10 "shots" and racking the slide between shots. Close as I can get to 8.5# without having the actual gun here.

Dunno how I'd feel after 50 rounds at the range. Anyway, just sharing.

-T

 

[Wee Hooker]

According to APEX web site, there are a few parts that wont work in a MA gun due to a different block config for that gun.

I have know personal experiance with MA compliant so I am just going on that.

A simple swap out of the heavier trigger return spring on a MA M&P to a "std "48 state spring" will drop the pull from 10-12# down to 6-7# without touching anything else. This works on any M&P model including the 45.

TRIGGER RETURN SPRING - Brownells

Install takes all of 5 min and requires no disasembly of the gun. ( Just slide the trigger spring retaining pin 1/2 way out.)
That said, I find the combination of the MA spring ( which is very similar to the Apex Duty kit spring) and the APex sear to give the best mix of crispness and safe (5.5#) weight.

hth

 

[dave9988]

Just a note on the odd trigger pull. I have a new M&P 40 full size with an odd SKU 151243, and I measured roughly 9LB pull. Apparently it was built to spec for the Hartford PD, but unissued. A similar scenario might explain the 8.5 LB listing.

 

[Tony S45]

Can some one provide the S&W Part # for the 8.5 lb trigger return spring? I want to increase (yes, I know that it's blasphamy!) the trigger pull on my Shield.

Thanks.