1917 value

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A friend has a military 1917 45 ACP that is in excellent mechanical condition with all markings except it doesn't have the "United States Property" marking under the barrel. The gun has been refinished at some point and appears to have been heavily buffed in some areas. I don't know if this accounts for the missing barrel marking or not. It still has the SW 45 DA marking on the left side of the barrel. I know pics would be helpful, but I don't have them at this time. Anyway, he's offered it to me for $400 and I'm leaning that way, so any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks, Ron
 
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My 1917 was made for the Brazillian Navy in 1937, and it lacks the "U.S. Property" stamp. It does have the Brazillian crest on the right side cover plate instead. This stamp is fairly light, and could have been buffed off if it's been refinished.

PeteT.
 
Some are known not to have been stamped. If there's no missing finish and the gun hasn't been refinished, that's probably the case.
 
As long as the serial number has not been polished away, I would say it is a good buy.

Shoot it for a while and see how you like it. If it is not your cup of tea, you can always sell it for at or near $400.
 
If it is mechanically sound, $400 is a good deal, but only if the serial number (on the bottom of the grip frame, after "U.S. Army/Model 1917/ No. ____") wasn't removed along with the barrel property stamp. Apparently many thought the USG would go after the owner of such guns for stealing official property, and somehow removing the stampings fixed this problem.
 
Not to be too contrary, but personally, I would pass at half that price...

In my lifetime, there is no collectible future for this gun being heavily buffed, refinished with original markings removed.

Also, with regard to it being a "shooter", I would think that a modern 25-2 in like condition could be had for not too much more than $400 and to me, they are infinitely better shooters...

Lastly, a consideration for working guns.... parts grow harder by the day to locate for 1917's....

Just my take.

Drew
 
I guess it depends on why you want the M1917.

If for a shooter--or perhaps, the ultimate "perfect packing pistol" (see the PPP thread on this forum) or a defensive revolver a buffed and reblued mechanically excellent M1917 fro $400 would be hard to beat. Change out the grips for some Packys or Hogues and you have a great usable .45 ACP revolver for a lot less cash than a 625, which go for about twice the price new. Also- you still get use the best speed loader ever developed for a revolver--the half or full moon clip.

Don't discount that the barrel may have been replaced after the M1917 was "mustered out." Particularly if the rest of the gun is mechanically excellent, someone may replaced the barrel and had a smith rebuild the action somewhere along the way. Many M1917 barrels are pitted from the corrosive primers used until the 1950a and a lack of immediate cleaing. Numrich lists a replacement barrel, but indicates they are sold out. But if the barrel is unpitted, the lock up is tight, and the gap is within spec- I'd personally grab it in a heartbeat at that price. But, I personally value good shooters over pristine finishes.

However, if you want a collector, you can probably find an original finish, very good condition M1917 for around double the money. That will take some searching as WWI stuff is becoming "collectible" now with the 100th anniversary around the corner, but the searching can be fun by itself.

My M1917 is probably typical as it is between a shooter and collector. It has all the original parts by serial number except for the sideplate, and all correct marks, but was reblued. The rebluing was nicely done, but you can still tell. I gave about what your seller is asking. Mine was made in May 1918 and seen its share of use so there is mechanical wear. It's not the most accurate revolver I have but it is still reliable. And, it is just fun to shoot!

Most M1917s aren't perfect, not many 95 year old mulsurps are. Each one has a history. Some have more history than others.
 
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