227 grain .357 WC bullets - may be from the old Bull-X company

[SG-688]

Helping clear out an estate, I found a Bull-X - CSJ High Performance box full of cast lead bullets that may or may not actually be Bull-X products; there's no label of any sort on the box except for the Bull-X company information. A Bull-X chart shows nothing heavier than 180 grains.

These bevel-base, flat nose bullets weighed just over or under 227 grains on two different scales making the probable nominal weight 230 grains. .358" at the base and .352" above the crimp groove. There's a single lubricant groove and a slightly reduced diameter band below that.

H&G shows a similar 230 grain cast bullet with two lubricant grooves as well as a 215 grain designed by Elden Carl when he experimenting with heavy bullet .38 and .357 loads for police in the early 1960's.

Does anybody know anything about these, their origin or intended use?


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[Peak53]

Never seen anything like that, but that bullet is sure to rank high in the next "what is the best bear load" thread. Waiting for more info

 

[Sevens]

This bullet looks just like the "Thunderheads" line that Penn Bullets has offered for many years. If you saw the other thread, Mr. Palermo just passed away, very sad.

.38 Caliber Bullets Available From Penn Bullets

 

[Nevada Ed]

Those are "Keepers" for sure.............

With that long length, if loaded, that bullet would need a crimp.........
since any forward movement out of a 38 case, would probably lock up the cylinder !!

Nice find.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

Think 35 Remington.

Ivan

 

[Forrest r]

Those are designed to be used in 38spl cases for bowling pins.

The nose is too long to be loaded in 357mag cases. Accurate molds company sells a 180gr high/low crimp (double crimp groove) that will work in most 38spl/357mag firearms.
Bullet Design Details | Accurate Molds

Accurate mold for the 230gr wc/38spl.
Bullet Design Details | Accurate Molds

 

[Neal]

Penn Bullets sells a 230 grain, but it does not look anything like yours.

.38 Caliber Bullets Available From Penn Bullets

 

[ArchAngelCD]

I was about to say the same thing. Those bullets were probably designed for bowling pin matches. Very cool!