32 S&W revolver

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I have recently acquired a very nice revolver that I would appreciate any info and value that is possible. Its nickle plated with what I hope are real pearl grips,"did the tooth test", 5 screws if you count the one in front of trigger guard, I frame and has dates on top of barrel, feb 8 08,Sept 14 09, Dec 29 14, ser.# 410473. I am going to attempt to load some pics, thanks for any and all help.( how do i post pics in editing this post??)
 
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Welcome to the Forum.

It sounds like you have a .32 Hand Ejector Third Model, probably shipped in the late 1930s. If the hammer and trigger are also nickel plated, it has probably been renickeled. If the pearls are plain, without S&W medallions inset into them, they would be after market. Barrel lengths are usually 3 1/4" and 4 1/4", measured from the front of the cylinder to the end of the barrel.

Value depends on condition and original (or not) finish.

Looking forward to your pictures.
 
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these are the pictures from my earlier post. Please provide age and value if possible or any history available. thanks.
 
Welcome to the forum!

That's a nice one!

Based on it's features like the mushroom shaped extractor knob and the serial # it's from 1926 production. The grips are genuine Mother of Pearl, albeit not factory since they do not have S&W medallions as Muley Gil posted.

I agree with Muley Gil above, if the trigger and hammer are nickeled and not just worn shiny, it's likely a re-finish. Look very carefully with good light and magnification for a B or N in front of the under barrel serial #. If a B, it was originally produced as a blue gun. Look under the left side grip for a date stamped near the toe on the grip frame indicating a possible factory re-finish. Because if it is re-finished, it's an excellent re-plating. The rear sight plate screw appears to be a blue replacement but nay just be the lighting in the photo.

Value is ~ $400.

If not re-finished, perhaps just a bit more.
 
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there is no B or N anywhere near barrel sn even when looking thru jewelers magnifier. I did find an N on either side of frame under grips but no date stamp. The screw you mentioned that looked like maybe it was blue is nickel but seems to be covered in what looks to be cosmoline and also seems to be some residue inside the cylider seat. Also is 32 long all i can shoot thru this or is there something else available that i can use?
 
Cool, no B with an N on the grip frame indicates it was originally a nickel gun when produced.

No, you can also shoot .32 (short) but that's obsolete and impossible to find. However 32 ACP is a semi-rimmed cartridge that chambers, shoots quite well, and extracts well. Also cheaper and easier to find.

It does have 1/3 higher maximum SAAMI pressure of 20,000 vs. 15000 for 32 long. But your revolver was produced well after cyl heat treating was introduced by S&W and made standard on all of it's hand ejector models ~ 1920. And manufacturers do not load ammo to maximum SAAMI pressure levels.
 
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I thank you all for your help and wisdom, I also have another S&W I actually found in an old gun cabinet that was sold from a person estate after they passed, was in bottom drawer that was swollen shut from moisture and no one bothered to even look!!! it is a pre-model 10 38 special but it also is locked up tight and now have soaking in penetrating oil.and there was an old Stevens A&T co. tip-up gun ,22 caliber , that is not locked up and in very good condition. The S&W is a 5 screw revolver and wondering what is best way to get cleaned up?? Also is value of the 32 still at $400 being that it is factory nickel?? Hope I am not being overwhelming with questions and really appreciate yalls advice, also do not plan on selling these weapons but to keep in family.
 
I didn't say it was factory nickel now, just that it was originally produced as a nickel plated gun. You didn't tell us if the hammer and trigger are plated or if the color case hardening is just all worn or polished off.

Old gun protocol for heirlooms & new members:
You have a quality made, very well engineered, and assembled with skilled craftsmanship, and hand fitted revolver, no longer affordable on a competitive market basis, and that we'll never see again, ever.

Shoot it to your hearts delight, and it will delight you with its fine accuracy, and comfortable recoil.

Simply put, the only usual issue with these marvels of yesteryear is they are gummed up and dirty. Old oils of its time do not match the quality of these old guns nor the science of today, and actually dry up and harden to the point of impeding operation and accelerating wear. The simple solution does not need a gunsmith. Just one of a few premium modern gun products from any sporting goods, gun store or hardware store.

Most are both cleaning and preserving agents; Breakfree, Kroil & M-Pro7 are some of the best, but there are others. Disassembly is not necessary. With grips removed and a spray can version of the product, flood and flush the revolver thru every opening and crevice until the black gunk stops flowing out, let it drain for an hour and wipe it down good.

To remove grips: loosen the grip screw completely and carefully push down on the screw head until the bottom grip separates, then remove. Now push the top side grip off with a finger or toothbrush from the backside thru the grip frame. Scrub barrel bore and cylinder chambers with a simple cleaning rod kit found at the same places as the cleaning agents above, and patches cut from rags is all you really need. And scrub any observed exterior and crevice crud with an old toothbrush with bristles cut off short for stiffness.

For rust spots, use Bronze wool, not steel wool, size 0000 and toothbrush with bristles cut short, and a rust removing agent/gun cleaner like M-Pro 7 (odor free), Kroil or Breakfree and gentle scrubbing.

Rust pitting must have all red color removed to arrest it's cancerous growth (use 5x glasses or stronger to see progress). Then cleaned with acetone or lacquer thinner to remove all traces of oil. White areas of cleaned pitting can be 'toned down' and
touched up with OxPho Blue cream (from Brownells) and works best after heating the metal with a blow dryer until it’s too hot to touch.
Then re-oil or wax over. Rust pits can only be removed with a re-finish.

Once cleaned and lubricated, with a few simple checks you can determine if it’s safe to use. Open the cylinder and verify the barrel is unobstructed. Cock the hammer in single action mode. Gently push on the hammer to confirm that it will not drop w/o pulling the trigger. Cock the hammer slowly and confirm the cylinder is locked in position for each of the 6 chambers. If satisfactory, now operate the gun by pulling the trigger slowly until the hammer drops. Again, confirm each time after cycling the action, that the cyl is still locked in position.

Cylinders can have fore and aft movement and rotational movement. Check rotational movement with the hammer cocked, that's all that is really important from a safety concern. It shouldn't be much at all when cocked, if any. If so, then unless you experience 'spitting' at the barrel/cyl gap, you have no reason for concern.

Polishing isn’t required after a good cleaning but a gentle application of wax will make the gun look almost new if you want something to do while watching the news!

You have a quality made, very well engineered, and assembled with skilled craftsmanship and hand fitted revolver, no longer affordable on a competitive market basis, and that we'll never see again, ever.

Shoot it to your hearts delight, and it will delight you with its fine accuracy, and comfortable recoil.

If you do want to venture further to disassemble, although not needed, here are two videos using a gun almost like yours, a .38 Special Model 10, showing step by step disassembly and reassembly:

SMITH & WESSON MODEL 10 SERVICE REVOLVER PART 1 - YouTube
Note: The part referred to in the video as the crane is actually the yoke in S&W terminology. Crane is the Colt name for that part.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KneMUM9rfw4]SMITH & WESSON MODEL 10 SERVICE REVOLVER PART 1 - YouTube[/ame]

SMITH & WESSON MODEL 10 PART 2 - YouTube
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SyZpmw1K-A]SMITH & WESSON MODEL 10 PART 2 - YouTube[/ame]
 
"No, you can also shoot .32 (short) but that's obsolete and impossible to find. However 32 ACP is a semi-rimmed cartridge that chambers, shoots quite well, and extracts well. Also cheaper and easier to find."

Indeed it will but several cautions:
1. .32 ACP factory loads should never be used in any of the numerous old top break .32 Revolvers chambered for the .32 S&W. I do not what the actual peak chamber pressure is for factory .32 ACP, but whatever it is, it will be greater than that of the old .32 S&W. I wouldn't use factory .32 ACP ammo in such a revolver unless I loaded them myself using very light loads and lead bullets. In any solid frame revolver chambered for .32 S&W Long, .32 ACP should be OK from a pressure perspective. At least I have fired many .32 ACP rounds from them with no safety issues.

2. You may not get high reliability, especially in double action. This is because the semi-rim of the .32 ACP case is somewhat thinner than the full rim of the .32 S&W or .32 S&W Long. This creates excessive headspace and the firing pin may not make a full-depth impression on the primer. I have one .32 revolver which is 100% with .32 ACP in single action firing, but I get many misfires in double action.

3. Extraction of fired cases may be problematic. Not only is the .32 ACP semi-rim thinner, but it is also smaller in diameter. Therefore, the extractor star does not have much to grip onto, and it can slip over the .32 ACP semi-rims. About all you can do is point the barrel upward while extracting fired cases and watch for any fired cases which the extractor has overridden and remain in the chambers.

4. Do not expect stellar grouping performance with factory .32 ACP ammo. Bullets will probably hit the target nose-on, but the .32 ACP bullet is a little smaller in diameter (.308"-.309") than the .32 S&W Long's bullet, and that is not good for tight grouping. If you reload, you can use larger diameter .32 bullets in .32 ACP cases, and that may help. There is a lot of variation in bore sizes in older .32 revolvers, and the best bullet diameter to use will probably be .311"-.312".

In summary, .32 ACP is OK for casual shooting in a solid frame .32 S&W Long-chambered revolver (if you don't have any .32 S&W Long ammo), but I wouldn't recommend it for any serious purpose. You might come out in second place. Nor would I recommend it for use in any top break revolver chambered for .32 S&W. I also probably wouldn't use .32 ACP in any earlier solid-frame revolvers chambered in .32 Long, such as the 1896 or 1903, unless I loaded them myself, and lightly.
 
I couldn't find any .32 Long brass when I first started. But I did find about 100 empty .32 H&R Magnum cases easily. I just trimmed them shorter, to 0.92" using a Dremel tool with an abrasive cutoff wheel. Those 100 cases, plus .32 ACP cases, are all I really need. I don't shoot my .32s as much as I once did. By the way, I load the .32 Long cases using .32 ACP dies. Works fine.
 
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I've got a little Lyman TruLine Jr press that I have "dedicated" to loading the 32 S&W rounds needed to feed my 3 pre-War Regulation Police (one a target version) and post-War HE snubbie, as well as my custom built Stainless K-327 when I want to go light. I like to batch decap and FL size the case cases on a full size press to take advantage of a TC die then use one of several hand priming tools before I "finish up" on the TL Jr. If you shoot your newly acquired revolver much you will probably want to reload for it so you have a steady supply of ammo... as stated, it can sometimes be hard to find! Fortunately it is one of the easiest cartridges ever to reload and can be done on virtually any reloading press... I've even loaded them on an old Ideal tong tool! If you cast your own bullets, 20 pounds of lead and a pound or two of powder along with a couple of thousand primers will last a LOOONNGG time. :D Did I mention that you are standing on the edge of a slippery slope? I can tell you just how slippery and steep it is. :eek:

Froggie
 
"No, you can also shoot .32 (short) but that's obsolete and impossible to find. However 32 ACP is a semi-rimmed cartridge that chambers, shoots quite well, and extracts well. Also cheaper and easier to find."

Indeed it will but several cautions:
1. .32 ACP factory loads should never be used in any of the numerous old top break .32 Revolvers chambered for the .32 S&W. I do not [know] what the actual peak chamber pressure is for factory .32 ACP, but whatever it is, it will be greater than that of the old .32 S&W.

4. Do not expect stellar grouping performance with factory .32 ACP ammo. Bullets will probably hit the target nose-on, but the .32 ACP bullet is a little smaller in diameter (.308"-.309") than the .32 S&W Long's bullet, and that is not good for tight grouping.

1. Post #6: 20,000 SAAMI max.
32 ACP will not chamber in 32 S&W chambers, the case is too long.

4. 32 ACP and 32 long bullets are both .311" to .312", jacketed or lead. You may find 7.65 mm head stamped ammo is .308"-.309".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.32_ACP
 
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1. Post #6: 20,000 SAAMI max.
32 ACP will not chamber in 32 S&W chambers, the case is too long.


Not necessarily. I have an old .32 H&R top break which will chamber .32 ACP. One cannot say that there won't be many old top breaks from far corners of the world which might easily chamber the .32 ACP. Also, SAAMI specs refer only to average maximum chamber pressure. Factory loads are typically loaded to somewhat below maximum SAAMI pressure levels.

4. 32 ACP and 32 long bullets are both .311" to .312", jacketed or lead. You may find 7.65 mm head stamped ammo is .308"-.309".

SAAMI specs for the .32 ACP bullet diameter are .306"-.312". Most references use .309" as the nominal value

SAAMI specs for the .32 S&W Long bullet diameter are .309"-.315". Most references use a nominal diameter of .311" or .312".
 
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1. Post #6: 20,000 SAAMI max.
32 ACP will not chamber in 32 S&W chambers, the case is too long.


Not necessarily. I have an old .32 H&R top break which will chamber .32 ACP. One cannot say that there won't be many old top breaks from far corners of the world which might easily chamber the .32 ACP. Also, SAAMI specs refer only to average maximum chamber pressure. Factory loads are typically loaded to somewhat below maximum SAAMI pressure levels.

No, but I wrote "32 S&W chambers"; you're referring to charge holes (no shoulder) for black powder heeled bullets. I agree, but don't shoot 'ANYTHING SMOKELESS' in those. The bullets go all over if the cyl held together; if not, sideways.

4. 32 ACP and 32 long bullets are both .311" to .312", jacketed or lead. You may find 7.65 mm head stamped ammo is .308"-.309".

SAAMI specs for the .32 ACP bullet diameter are .306"-.312". Most references use .309" as the nominal value

SAAMI specs for the .32 S&W Long bullet diameter are .309"-.315". Most references use a nominal diameter of .311" or .312".

Yes, most references for modern ammo of both are .311"-.312".
 
If you're looking for .32 S&W (not .32 S&W Long), just google it: you should find some on-line (I did). It's not cheap, but then again, your gun is not a high-volume range gun either, especially at this point in it's history.
 
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