.357 & .38 ammo What to buy?

Jake Benson

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I just received my S&W 649. I fired 10 rounds at the gunsmith's private range as he had done a trigger job on the gun and needed to test it. I love the gun. The recoil shooting the .357's was nowhere near as bad as I was led to believe. I also have ordered a 686 which should be arriving in a couple more days. These are my first two handguns, by the way.

The question here is ammo. At Wal-Mart I bought a box of Winchester .38 specials in white box marked Target/Range, 130 gr. full metal jacket. I also bought a box of Federal .357 marked 158 grain JSP. Have I made some good choices for range shooting or bad? And what type of round should I have strictly for self defense, in both .38 and .357?

What's the cheapest for the range and what's the best for self defense?

Thanks for any input.
 
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The FMJ you picked up are as good as anything for target use. you can also go with round nose lead or SWC in 158 gr. 148 gr wadcutters are really good but may run more price wise than the others.
For self-defense I carry 158 gr+P lead hollow points or Hornady Critical Defense, non plus P just because that's what I found. :) This is in 38 spl.

In 357 you can't go wrong with 158 gr but I would use a JHP. Myself in 357, I'm running Hornady 140 gr XTP's.
 
For the range, reloading is your best option after you amortize the setup cost. Otherwise, Black Hills, Georgia Arms, or another re-manufactured product would be the most economical.

I use Federal 158 gr Semi-Jacketed Soft Points in my 19-5 and they are manageable and accurate. I doubt any ne'er do well would complain after being shot with one.

David
 
The Walmart stuff is as cheap and as good as you'll find for practice. For self defense, I'd recommend Remington Golden Saber, which comes in both .38 +P and .357 mag. These are fine rounds and will be just the ticket in the 649 and 686.
 
I second the reload suggestion.....

You'd be surprised how satisfying and enjoyable it is to make your own ammo. Truth be told, I enjoy the reloading as much as the shooting!:eek:

And, you might save some $$.....

Another plus: you'll shoot more! After all, if you're not reloading, you're not shooting enough!:rolleyes:
 
Glaser Safety Slugs indoors. Hornady Critical Defense for street carry.
 
The best thing to do is try a variety of ammo for target shooting, you'll find one that suits you as far as cost and performance. Down the road you may want to load your own but for now I would just enjoy shooting the gun.
 
The ammo you bought will do for the range, for now. Check out Cheaper Than Dirt for ammo. They have a very descriptive ammo section that includes peoples opinions of the ammo for sale.

You will come to find that ammo selection is very personal for both range use and carry. Solicit your friends or family and shoot many brands and slug weights. Have fun shooting and keep notes!

By the way good choice of revolver and the trigger job may spoil you on future purchases...:)
 
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Thanks for all the input. Someone mentioned the satisfaction of doing their own re-loading. How much does that cost for the initial set-up of equipment, and then how easy/difficult is it to make your own rounds? If its easy, it sounds like the way to go as far as economy is concerned, however, if its difficult, I would hate to end up blowing myself up because of errors in making the rounds.
 
The only thing I have shot i wasnt satisfied with was the independence ammo. Its cheap, but it also shoots dirty. By dirty I mean, it makes the gun extremely dirty compared to other rounds.
 
First off, I'm not currently reloading, like you I'm still at the investigation stage. Fortunately I work with someone who does reload so I've been able to pick his brain.

Depending on your approach a reloading setup can run from about 300 to 1000 bucks.

However that low end price doesn't include a premium level scale so you'll have to be extremely meticulous when using a cheap balance type scale. It also doesn't include a chonograph so you won't know the actual results of what you are loading in terms of velocity produced. It'll also mean using a single stage press so you won't be cranking out reloads in volume. However, it will work and you'll be able to build 200-300 rounds a week in your spare time. One advantage to this in terms of safety is that you can visually check every single round before stuffing the bullet into the case, so if you are careful and attentive it can be slightly safer in tems of mistakes. However, just one interuption for a phone call or doorbell can result in either skipping charging a casing or double charging it.

Go for the high end and the convenience and speed goes way up. This means you have a digital electronic scale that is pretty hard to goof with. It also means that you have a chronograph so you can log the actual results of a trial batch of ammunition. Finally, you also have a progressive press that allows you to load in volume, I've been told 300 rounds per hour is quite doable. However, with a progressive press you have to be VERY meticulous with setting up the press and keep a close eye on the process as you are running. Let the powder feed run dry and you could be loading 300 rounds of squibs per hour. Goof on the powder measure and you can overcharge the same number of rounds in the same period.

Personally, if I do decide to start reloading I'll take a mid level approach. Meaning I'll spend the bucks for a good scale and chronograph so I can see the results of my loads. However, I'd start out with a single stage press and hang out a Do Not Disturb sign.

However, in my case the potential cost savings aren't nearly as good as many report. I have 2 current revolvers with ECM barrls and a third coming. I learned with prior experience shooting Blazer LRN that shooting lead in these barrels can result in SEVERE leading. I've asked for specific suggestions for lube etc. to solve this problem and not one reloader has posted his "secret" for shooting lead bullets in an ECM barrel without leading issues. Because of this the only bullets I would reload are jacketed bullets and simple FMJ's can run 15 to 24 cents each. Add in the cost of the primer and the casing and that cheap Winchester at Walmart starts to look like a bargain.

BTW, ECM barrels are now starting to replace the older broached rifling in most of S&W's revolvers. If you want to know what type of barrel you have put a penlight in the forcing cone and look at the bore. If you see rifling that is radiused without any sharp corners and a surface finish that approaches glass smooth, it's an ECM barrel. If you see sharp cut rifling and a duller surface finish, it's broached.

As for why S&W is going to the Electro Conductive Rifling, I suspect it's a combination of cost reduction and improved Quality. BTW, in manufacturing the most efficient way to reduce costs is actually by using a process that improves Quality. Every barrel that has to be scrapped due to a machining error during the broaching process costs a lot of cold hard cash. However, I also suspect a second reason for changing to the ECM barrels is that so many shooters today only shoot jacketed bullets. One look at that superb surface finish on the ECM barrels has led me to conclude that they probably produce a bit more velocity when shooting jacketed bullets. As for the effect of the ECM rifling on accuracy, as I said I have 2 revolvers with this type of barrel and both are superbly accurate revolvers.
 
The cheap stuff you mentioned is good and cheap. I've managed to find one cheaper and better: American Eagle, 130 gr. FMJ, $15 a box.
 
Thanks for all the input. Someone mentioned the satisfaction of doing their own re-loading. How much does that cost for the initial set-up of equipment, and then how easy/difficult is it to make your own rounds? If its easy, it sounds like the way to go as far as economy is concerned, however, if its difficult, I would hate to end up blowing myself up because of errors in making the rounds.

The basics of reloading are pretty simple. For $300 spent right you can have what you need to turn out 150rds/hr. Typically you can save 50% on common ammo like 9mm and 38 special and quite a bit more on 44 mag, 45 colt, 10mm etc., but not by buying components from Midway. Ask questions over on the reloading section of this forum.
 
I'm not a reloader and I scour the retailers, such as WalMart, and the online sellers (Midway, Cabellas, etc.) for bargains. For .38 special range ammo I prefer 158gr., either FMJ or lead round nose. Winchester White Box is a good buy in LRN. Magtech makes a very reasonably priced 158gr. FMJ. There are others out there that are reasonable. Fiochhi, for example, and I've occasionally fired rounds made by Privi Partizan.

In magnum, I generally stick with 158gr. jacketed soft point (JSP) or jacketed hollow point (JHP) as a range round. Magtech makes a good, reasonably priced JSP round. Cabellas sells a house brand in JHP that is excellent.

For defensive ammo, I've recently acquired some Buffalo Bore .38 special 150gr. wadcutter. It has a great reputation and I need to go fire a few rounds, just to see how it performs.
 
I also like the Winchester white box FMJ for target loads. If you want similar performance and cost, try the Winchester white box 'Win-Clean' ammo. It costs about 50 cents more per box, but one can easily save that during cleaning. I have found the Remington UMC yellow box target ammo (38 special) leaves more powder residue than the Winchester white box. Good shooting!
 
Personal favorite in my 686 is the Winchester Silvertip. To me, it just "LOOKS RIGHT" in there. :D Spendy though...
 
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