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Buying a Bodyguard the first of the month so today ordered dies and conversion plate and 550 tool head and holder. Also ordered bullets from X treme and Brownell's. Ordered the 90gr XTP as I will be carrying Critical Defense and that is what they use. I like to have a bunch of practice rounds that closely match my SD factory loads. I would have liked to have bought 90gr plated HPs even any 90grs would do, but it seams like everyone carries 100gr. 100s have a little slower max vol. and I expect the POI will differ from the Critical Defense. Why so few choises out there for bullets for this caliber?
 
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Mostly because there are so few 380 shooters.

I have several thousand 90 grain JHPs on hand. I load them in the 357SIG and 356TSW to high velocities just for fun.

380-90gr-jhp.jpg

We do a big enough group buy on these that I am sure they are much more reasonable than the Hornadys
 
Mostly because there are so few 380 shooters.

I have several thousand 90 grain JHPs on hand. I load them in the 357SIG and 356TSW to high velocities just for fun.

380-90gr-jhp.jpg

We do a big enough group buy on these that I am sure they are much more reasonable than the Hornadys

Anything would be more reasonable then the Hornady bullets. Brownell's wants $18.50 a hundred. May I ask where you ordered those?
 
Midway has 21 different bullets listed for .380 ACP from 80-102 grains in cast, plated, jacketed, and all copper designs. I've also reloaded bullets up to 115 grains in .380 and have seen data for cast bullets up to 120 grains. My carry load for this caliber uses Barnes 80 grain all copper hollow points. No lack of choice here!
 
Midway has 21 different bullets listed for .380 ACP from 80-102 grains in cast, plated, jacketed, and all copper designs. I've also reloaded bullets up to 115 grains in .380 and have seen data for cast bullets up to 120 grains. My carry load for this caliber uses Barnes 80 grain all copper hollow points. No lack of choice here!

Thanks that is one place I didn't look as I don't like their shipping cost, but if they have what I need I guess I will pay it. Those all copper HPs look good but all the test I see run on them the expansion is not as good as other bullets. The bad guy doesn't even have to worry about lead poisoning. Also I am one of those that would never shoot reloads for SD.
 
I'd say from the picture posted, those are from tjconevera.com. Good bullets. No idea who actually makes them.
 
I carry Critical Defense and my wife carries them in her BG. For our range ammo I use a 95gr FMJ from Everglades Ammo on top of 3gr Winchester 231 powder. POI on my handloads are nearly identical to the Critical Defense. The Everglades bullets run $55 for 500 or $99 for 1000 pieces. I've order a bunch of bullets from Everglades and it's all been good quality and accurate. Pricing is very good and shipping on most of it is free and fast.

As far as reloading goes, 380 is my least favorite out of all the straight wall pistol cartridges I load. Currently I load 9mm, 38 Special, 40S&W, 45ACP, 44Mag, and 380. For me the 380 takes longer than any of the others. Seems I struggle a little with the smaller pieces. The 380 ranks near the top in money savings right behind the 44Mag so that is a plus.

Here's a link to the Everglades FMJ's I use and just ordered more today:

380 Auto 95 gr FMJ Reloading Bullets
 
FWIW, when I first bought my (early model) BG380, the shelves and warehouses were barren of any 380 ammo. So I had no choice but to buy 500 pieces of brass and some heads to get started. I ended up with 95gr cast heads from Missouri bullet. Have to say they work fine for practice and I can't really tell if they print differently from my 90gr PD ammo. The reality is that the BG380 is not a target gun. If I can keep em all on a 8" pie plate at 25', I'm good to go. (Both rounds will do better if I take my time though.)
Bottom Line: I wouldn't over think or over spend here. Just get something in a bullet that is close in weight and drive it close in velocity and all will be good .
 
I carry Critical Defense and my wife carries them in her BG. For our range ammo I use a 95gr FMJ from Everglades Ammo on top of 3gr Winchester 231 powder. POI on my handloads are nearly identical to the Critical Defense. The Everglades bullets run $55 for 500 or $99 for 1000 pieces. I've order a bunch of bullets from Everglades and it's all been good quality and accurate. Pricing is very good and shipping on most of it is free and fast.

As far as reloading goes, 380 is my least favorite out of all the straight wall pistol cartridges I load. Currently I load 9mm, 38 Special, 40S&W, 45ACP, 44Mag, and 380. For me the 380 takes longer than any of the others. Seems I struggle a little with the smaller pieces. The 380 ranks near the top in money savings right behind the 44Mag so that is a plus.

Here's a link to the Everglades FMJ's I use and just ordered more today:

380 Auto 95 gr FMJ Reloading Bullets

Thank you I will check them our. Sounds like they might be right here in Florida.
 
The .380 is gaining in popularity again, in part due to improved hollow point performance.

Factory ammo cycles between unavailable and over priced. That's due in part to .380 ACP being made on the same tooling as 9mm Para ammo, which means when there is high demand of 9mm, no production capacity is allocated to .380 ACP.

That makes it a very attractive hand loading caliber, but you'll also find that .380 ACP components dry up in a shortage as well.

I have not found the .380 ACP to be difficult to load. You have to respect the fact that the case walls are thin and bell it enough to prevent crushing it when seating cast bullets, but it poses no particular issues with plated or jacketed bullets.

Some .380 ACP chambers are tight, so you will want to use a case gauge with cast loads and you may have to use a factory crimp die or slightly post size the round.

As with any small pistol case you need to ensure you use a suitable powder measure to get consistent charges in a cartridge where a .1 difference can matter. I use a pistol rotor on my Hornady Lock and Load measure, and I use "extra small" powder bars on my Dillon measures when loading .380 ACP or .32 ACP.

If you disagree and feel the .380 ACP is difficult to load, try loading .32 ACP cast bullet loads for awhile and it'll make you appreciate the fine qualities of the .380 ACP. :D

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There are a half dozen commercial loads that will meet the FBI 12" minimum penetration and 1.5x expansion requirements in both bare ballistic gel and in the heavy clothing test. All of them use the 90 gr XTP at a muzzle velocity of 1050-1100 fps in a 3.5" to 3.9" barrel. The 90 gr XTP works well in marginal calibers as it is a bullet designed for slower and more moderate expansion, which enables it to achieve both the minimum penetration and expansion criteria at .380 ACP velocities.

However, barrel length is key in a .380 ACP as it takes a much more significant hit in short barrel performance than the 9mm Para - and it's a marginal caliber to begin with. Getting good results in a 3.9" barrel is a non issue, but once you get below 3.5" barrel lengths and the velocity falls under about 1000 fps, performance is a bit more of a **** shoot.

I load 3.4 grains of Titegroup under a 90 gr XTP for a self defense load. It will produce 1100 fps in a 3.9" PP, and 1050 fps in a 3.4" PPK/S. However, it will produce about 50 fps less in the FEG AP and APK (PP and PPK/S clones) due to the slightly larger chambers and throats used in those pistols, so there's more involved in .380 ballistics than just barrel length.

The same load will produce right at 980 fps in a 2.75" Kimber Micro. I need to do some gel testing this summer to confirm how well it fares in a heavy clothing test. based on the velocity it shook be satisfactory in bare gel, but I only expect adequate expansion in 50-60% of the rounds fired in a heavy clothing test, given that it's short of the 1050 fps benchmark. Still, expansion half the time in heavy clothing, along with ample penetration is still better than FMJs that expand 0% of the time even in bare gelatin. It's also something I only use periodically in the summer, or as a back up, so I'm not real concerned about heavy clothing performance.

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For practice and plinking loads I've used 100 gr plated bullets from both Berry's and Xtreme and both work very well in both their flat base and hollow base designs.

3.0 grains of Red Dot, 3.1 grains of Bullseye, and 4.0 grains of Unique all produce around 875-900 fps in 3.5" to 3.9" barrel. The Red Dot and Bullseye loads are maximum loads for those fast burning powders with a 100 gr jacketed bullet, but they are all loads that won't beat a blow back operated pistol to death. And with the thinner jacket of the plated bullet, there's probably a little more margin in terms of pressure.

Still, start low and work up with your own loads in your own handguns as not all .380 ACP pistols are made with the same margin of strength. Hornady uses the Beretta 84 for land development and it's at the upper end of strength and durability when it comes to .380 ACP. I primarily shoot FEG APs, APKs, and Walther PPs and PPKSs which are all very stoutly built .380 ACPs. The locked breech Kimber Micro has run well on the above loads, but I've only got a 1000 or so rounds through it so far.
 
While I like 115gr bullets in XTP, FMJ and soon to use TFMJ for 380acp, there are plenty of bullet makers these days.
At 380acp encounter distances I wonder how varied the POA and POI are with one great pistol and different loads?
Our S&Walther PPKs's and the Sig238 are our most accurate and I will try that on World Wide 380ACP Day which is
this Saturday. ;)

Some good discussions with the "made for the tropics cartridge" in the archives..
I need a holster for my surfing shorts.... HangTen :D
 
I've got to believe that the most dangerous animals are large muggers/home invaders, followed by Cape Buffalo, Rhinos and Elephants. Hunters interested in personal survival use solids for #'s 2-4 above, and the same reasoning applies, IMO, to #1. Believing that heavy solids rule, I load 100gr fmj's over 4.1-4.2 BE-86. Works great. I tried a number of AA5 loads, but they were way too dirty.
 
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Are "heads" the new and improved term for bullets ? Are cases the tails , what's the new terms for powder and primers.
Recipe is the new term for load data right ?

I've heard the term "heads" used with increasing frequency and I think it has it's roots in scenarios like this one:

A not very knowledgeable customer buys 500 .223 "bullets" for his AR-15 and thinks "bullet" means the whole .223 Remington cartridge.

The "bullets" arrive in the mail and said consumer is now butt hurt that his "bullets" are in fact .223 (actually .224) caliber bullets that he can't just load and shoot in his AR-15 as they are just the "heads" of the "bullets".

The seller, who starts seeing more and more of this kind of thing, starts using this "heads" terminology as well with these prospective buyers, clarifying that he's only selling the "heads" of the "bullets", not the whole "bullet". These same customers probably would not understand the term "projectile" either, since it's just another word for "bullet", and would totally not understand the concept of a "cartridge" being something different than a "bullet".

I mean after all we all know that the good guys and bad guys in westerns and bad war movies all run out of "bullets".

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It leaves me a bit ambivalent. On the one hand I'm always happy to welcome a new shooter to the fold, but on the other hand I'm always very quick to politely point out that the use of heads just makes the new shooter look a little stupid and that the proper term for the projectile that is loaded into a cartridge is "bullet".
 
The .380 is gaining in popularity again, in part due to improved hollow point performance.

Factory ammo cycles between unavailable and over priced. That's due in part to .380 ACP being made on the same tooling as 9mm Para ammo, which means when there is high demand of 9mm, no production capacity is allocated to .380 ACP.

That makes it a very attractive hand loading caliber, but you'll also find that .380 ACP components dry up in a shortage as well.

I have not found the .380 ACP to be difficult to load. You have to respect the fact that the case walls are thin and bell it enough to prevent crushing it when seating cast bullets, but it poses no particular issues with plated or jacketed bullets.

Some .380 ACP chambers are tight, so you will want to use a case gauge with cast loads and you may have to use a factory crimp die or slightly post size the round.

As with any small pistol case you need to ensure you use a suitable powder measure to get consistent charges in a cartridge where a .1 difference can matter. I use a pistol rotor on my Hornady Lock and Load measure, and I use "extra small" powder bars on my Dillon measures when loading .380 ACP or .32 ACP.

If you disagree and feel the .380 ACP is difficult to load, try loading .32 ACP cast bullet loads for awhile and it'll make you appreciate the fine qualities of the .380 ACP. :D

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There are a half dozen commercial loads that will meet the FBI 12" minimum penetration and 1.5x expansion requirements in both bare ballistic gel and in the heavy clothing test. All of them use the 90 gr XTP at a muzzle velocity of 1050-1100 fps in a 3.5" to 3.9" barrel. The 90 gr XTP works well in marginal calibers as it is a bullet designed for slower and more moderate expansion, which enables it to achieve both the minimum penetration and expansion criteria at .380 ACP velocities.

However, barrel length is key in a .380 ACP as it takes a much more significant hit in short barrel performance than the 9mm Para - and it's a marginal caliber to begin with. Getting good results in a 3.9" barrel is a non issue, but once you get below 3.5" barrel lengths and the velocity falls under about 1000 fps, performance is a bit more of a **** shoot.

I load 3.4 grains of Titegroup under a 90 gr XTP for a self defense load. It will produce 1100 fps in a 3.9" PP, and 1050 fps in a 3.4" PPK/S. However, it will produce about 50 fps less in the FEG AP and APK (PP and PPK/S clones) due to the slightly larger chambers and throats used in those pistols, so there's more involved in .380 ballistics than just barrel length.

The same load will produce right at 980 fps in a 2.75" Kimber Micro. I need to do some gel testing this summer to confirm how well it fares in a heavy clothing test. based on the velocity it shook be satisfactory in bare gel, but I only expect adequate expansion in 50-60% of the rounds fired in a heavy clothing test, given that it's short of the 1050 fps benchmark. Still, expansion half the time in heavy clothing, along with ample penetration is still better than FMJs that expand 0% of the time even in bare gelatin. It's also something I only use periodically in the summer, or as a back up, so I'm not real concerned about heavy clothing performance.

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For practice and plinking loads I've used 100 gr plated bullets from both Berry's and Xtreme and both work very well in both their flat base and hollow base designs.

3.0 grains of Red Dot, 3.1 grains of Bullseye, and 4.0 grains of Unique all produce around 875-900 fps in 3.5" to 3.9" barrel. The Red Dot and Bullseye loads are maximum loads for those fast burning powders with a 100 gr jacketed bullet, but they are all loads that won't beat a blow back operated pistol to death. And with the thinner jacket of the plated bullet, there's probably a little more margin in terms of pressure.

Still, start low and work up with your own loads in your own handguns as not all .380 ACP pistols are made with the same margin of strength. Hornady uses the Beretta 84 for land development and it's at the upper end of strength and durability when it comes to .380 ACP. I primarily shoot FEG APs, APKs, and Walther PPs and PPKSs which are all very stoutly built .380 ACPs. The locked breech Kimber Micro has run well on the above loads, but I've only got a 1000 or so rounds through it so far.

Thank you that is a great write up.
 
Heads are where you go to the bathroom on a Navy ship. Tails now that is different. Oh heads or tails when the coil is filled at a NFL game.
 
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