45 Super projectiles

[steelholder]

Hey all, looking to reload 45 super with a hard cast projectile intended for a woods/bear round in 230-250 grain with a flat point. Could you guys recommend a good vendor that has a quality product. I've found these so far.

45 Caliber 250 Grain RNFP Hard Cast Lead Bullets Qty 500

Any potentials issues with trying to use this in a 45 acp pistol like the 4506( assuming it's been upgraded to shoot Super)? I've been told it's intended for long colt but can be used for 45 Super, what do you guys use as far as hard cast/ bonded projectiles?

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

I use the 200 & 220 RNFP in 45 Colt and 45ACP the Round Nose is what makes it feed. The Flat Point is what helps it transfer energy. The hardness of the bullet and the 1 or 2 thousandths over the groove diameter are what control leading. What velocity will you be pushing these bullets at, because 45 Colt bullets are usually on the soft side for 850fps and lots of expansion.

Ivan

 

[steelholder]

I use the 200 & 220 RNFP in 45 Colt and 45ACP the Round Nose is what makes it feed. The Flat Point is what helps it transfer energy. The hardness of the bullet and the 1 or 2 thousandths over the groove diameter are what control leading. What velocity will you be pushing these bullets at, because 45 Colt bullets are usually on the soft side for 850fps and lots of expansion.

Ivan

I was hoping to get up to 1300 range, slowly building my way up. There's a guy on YT that loads 250 hard cast FP for his g21 but hasn't replied as to which projectile he uses. The flat points seem to load reliably in his semi.

 

[Paul105]

1,300 fps is a bit ambitious for the .45 Super -- you are in .460 Rowland pressure territory. Proceed with extreme caution.

Some potential problems to be aware of. If a revolver w/o moon clips, you will probably run into bullet pull issues due to lack of crimp. If you are using a semi auto, you may run into mag spring issues (slide outrunning mag spring).

Montana Bullet Works is a great source for quality cast bullets. They are expensive, but worth it - avail in various diameters and hardness -- here are some .45 colt (ACP also avail in lighter weight and diff hardness) Pistol Archives - Montana Bullet Works

the two bullets on the right are MBW - 230gr (ACP) and 250gr LFNGC that I've used in both the Rowland and Super. Both avail in .451/.452"

FWIW,

Paul

 

[BLUEDOT37]

Could you guys recommend a good vendor that has a quality product. I've found these so far.

45 Caliber 250 Grain RNFP Hard Cast Lead Bullets Qty 500

Did you see this in his FAQs?

"Our hard cast bullets can be shot up to 1,500 fps and/or 21,000 psi. Whichever comes first. If you are wanting to go faster or hotter check out our Polymer Coated Bullets."

45 Super is over 21K psi.

I like the 45 Super & have handloaded for it for years using 185gr & 200gr jacketed bullets but it wouldn't be my first choice for bear loads.

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[SuperMan]

.45 Supr is a great round, especially for outback defense but 1300 fps is a little much for any semi-auto platform that can be easily carried.

If you look at the velocities posted on the Buffalo Bore website they run 1100 for a 230 and 1050 for a 250. I have a 5" Kimber that has been modified to take Super and with Longshot powder and Starline Super case ran well into the 1100s with no pressure signs with both weight bullets but backed down to low 1100s for the 230 and 1060 for the 250.

If I need more than that I'll break out one of the .41s....

Bob

 

[kingrj]

Hey all, looking to reload 45 super with a hard cast projectile intended for a woods/bear round in 230-250 grain with a flat point. Could you guys recommend a good vendor that has a quality product. I've found these so far.

45 Caliber 250 Grain RNFP Hard Cast Lead Bullets Qty 500

Any potentials issues with trying to use this in a 45 acp pistol like the 4506( assuming it's been upgraded to shoot Super)? I've been told it's intended for long colt but can be used for 45 Super, what do you guys use as far as hard cast/ bonded projectiles?

You will have NO issues using .45 super in your 4506...Other than maybe some firing pin drag marks on the primers if you keep the stock firing pin rebound spring.

 

[kingrj]

I was hoping to get up to 1300 range, slowly building my way up. There's a guy on YT that loads 250 hard cast FP for his g21 but hasn't replied as to which projectile he uses. The flat points seem to load reliably in his semi.

1300 fps with a hardcast 250 grain bullet is NOT possible if you stay within Super pressures with any powder. 1000 fps or a little over is what you can expect. 1300 fps is Rowland territory..

 

[steelholder]

Did you see this in his FAQs?

"Our hard cast bullets can be shot up to 1,500 fps and/or 21,000 psi. Whichever comes first. If you are wanting to go faster or hotter check out our Polymer Coated Bullets."

45 Super is over 21K psi.

I like the 45 Super & have handloaded for it for years using 185gr & 200gr jacketed bullets but it wouldn't be my first choice for bear loads.

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Thanks, I am new to reloading but had noticed some guys on glocktalk getting thoset ypes of numbers with upgraded barrels.

.45 Supr is a great round, especially for outback defense but 1300 fps is a little much for any semi-auto platform that can be easily carried.

If you look at the velocities posted on the Buffalo Bore website they run 1100 for a 230 and 1050 for a 250. I have a 5" Kimber that has been modified to take Super and with Longshot powder and Starline Super case ran well into the 1100s with no pressure signs with both weight bullets but backed down to low 1100s for the 230 and 1060 for the 250.

If I need more than that I'll break out one of the .41s....

Bob

You will have NO issues using .45 super in your 4506...Other than maybe some firing pin drag marks on the primers if you keep the stock firing pin rebound spring.

I had heard the 4506-1 was superior to the original 4506, any info on that? What visual difference is there between the 2? Does the 4506 havea square trigger gaurd and the 4506-1 does not? Thanks.

1300 fps with a hardcast 250 grain bullet is NOT possible if you stay within Super pressures with any powder. 1000 fps or a little over is what you can expect. 1300 fps is Rowland territory..

It's definitely been achieved by the glocktalk guys with a fully supported barrel swap and some beefed up springs using a G21.

 

[BLUEDOT37]

I had heard the 4506-1 was superior to the original 4506, any info on that? What visual difference is there between the 2? Does the 4506 havea square trigger gaurd and the 4506-1 does not? Thanks.

Take a look at this thread:

4506-1 (R4) "dash 3"

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[kingrj]

Thanks, I am new to reloading but had noticed some guys on glocktalk getting thoset ypes of numbers with upgraded barrels.




I had heard the 4506-1 was superior to the original 4506, any info on that? What visual difference is there between the 2? Does the 4506 havea square trigger gaurd and the 4506-1 does not? Thanks.


It's definitely been achieved by the glocktalk guys with a fully supported barrel swap and some beefed up springs using a G21.

There is no doubt that those velocities can be achieved by using heavier loads..Will it blow up the gun? No! Will it batter the gun more! Yes! Do you care? Up to you..1300 fps with a 250 grain bullet is absolutely possible. Just add more Longshot or Power Pistol...

 

[dla]

Missouri Bullet Company has a 215gr WFN design that looks really interesting:
Missouri Bullet Company