rkittine
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Anyone shooting .45 Super in their 4506? Part number for the appropriate spring?
Thanks, Bob
Thanks, Bob
.45 Super
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Trooper224
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Nope. The standard pressure .45acp has been doing just fine for well over a century. If I feel the need for a magnum I'll use one.
I have put several 10s of thousands of rounds of 45 SUPER down range over the past quarter century or more
It is a great cartridge when you want more than the 45ACP offers but do not have the need to step up to any of the big booming magnums
I first started shooting 45 SUPER back when pin matches were popular in my neck of the woods. So that is late eighties or early nineties.
However my primary firearm at the time was a 625 V-comp.
I have used the cartridge in auto loaders but mostly my HK USPs and my Springfield long slide
I have never shot the cartridge in the 4506
If no one has used that firearm, you may just have to get a calibration pack, Go heavy and work your way down
BTW, did you call Wolf and ask them?
It is a great cartridge when you want more than the 45ACP offers but do not have the need to step up to any of the big booming magnums
I first started shooting 45 SUPER back when pin matches were popular in my neck of the woods. So that is late eighties or early nineties.
However my primary firearm at the time was a 625 V-comp.
I have used the cartridge in auto loaders but mostly my HK USPs and my Springfield long slide
I have never shot the cartridge in the 4506
If no one has used that firearm, you may just have to get a calibration pack, Go heavy and work your way down
BTW, did you call Wolf and ask them?
Tex1001
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Now you're gonna hear it from the Never Overspring faction:
I considered the 45 Super, but decided to stick with 10mm Auto if I need that degree of power. I will say that with the 1911, either a long slide or a barrel mounted compensator do help to slow the slide, but so will a flat bottom firing pin retainer coupled with a heavy main spring.
The S&W 45 ACP pistols have slides that are far heavier than those on similar sized 1911's. The difference is such that the S&W pistols run a recoil spring that is 2 pounds lower rated than what you need in a 1911 for the same ammo. S&W used a 14 pound spring in the 645/4506 for full power loads and a 18 pound spring in the 1006. I'd say that an 18 pound spring in the 4506 would be about right for 45 Super.
The S&W 45 ACP pistols have slides that are far heavier than those on similar sized 1911's. The difference is such that the S&W pistols run a recoil spring that is 2 pounds lower rated than what you need in a 1911 for the same ammo. S&W used a 14 pound spring in the 645/4506 for full power loads and a 18 pound spring in the 1006. I'd say that an 18 pound spring in the 4506 would be about right for 45 Super.
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Always amazes me when you ask a specific question and folks jump in and tell you why what you are doing is wrong instead of answering the question. Good luck. If you want to do upgrade your gun to 45 super, I am sure you have good reasons and they are just as good as those that think it is a bad idea.
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gwpercle
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When you ask a question on an open forum...be prepared for the non answers . They are always a few... I just ignore them .
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Patrick L
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Never shot one, but I was always fascinated by the writings of Dean Grennel and Claude Hamilton back in the 80s regarding this cartridge
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rkittine
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Thanks for all the responses. I just wondered if anyone really bothered with this round? I will probably only shoot 45 ACP out of my new (new to me) 4506, but did wonder about the 45 SUPER.
Bob
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rkittine
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Wolf is? A parts company?
fiasconva
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I was at my club's indoor range a few years ago. It has 10 lanes and someone was shooting a 45 super at lane no. 1. I was about halfway down and there were several other shooters farther down. Every time he fired one off you could actually feel the pressure and noise from it. Every shooter would stop and try to see what he was shooting. They could feel it all the way down the lanes. It was impressive.
I plan on shooting 45 Super in my 4506 R4, but have not done so yet. I plan on using a #22 lb recoil spring from Wolff, as well as a extra strength firing pin spring and extra power mag springs. May also try a Sprinco Recoil Reducing guiderod.
Others have fired 45 Super from their 3rd Gens, and there are plenty of good threads to peruse for info:
4506 45 Super?
45 super in 4506? 4566? 4516?
45 Super
.45 Super in 3rd gen?
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-semi-auto-pistols/514261-4506-super.html#post139516317
Others have fired 45 Super from their 3rd Gens, and there are plenty of good threads to peruse for info:
4506 45 Super?
45 super in 4506? 4566? 4516?
45 Super
.45 Super in 3rd gen?
http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-semi-auto-pistols/514261-4506-super.html#post139516317
I assume my Ruger Blackhawk .45 ACP/.45 Colt conversion will handle it with no issues. It's the large, SBH frame, not the medium/flat top frame, like my .44 Spl BH.
I'm interested in converting my 4566 to .45 Super.
I'm also interested in converting my EAA Witness .45 to .45 Super.
It's a large frame, full size with factory ported barrel and slide.
I bought it new, in 1998 or 99. Big, beefy gun. Fat, heavy slide.
They make 10mm conversion kits for it, so I'd think the Super would be ok.
Feel free to let me know if I'm wrong.
I'd love to see how my Star Firestar .45 would shoot with .45 Super.
Not sure I'd want to experiment with it, since they're scarce now.
Now, I wish I'd bought that Star Megastar .45 I saw at the pawn shop back in '07.
Talk about a beefy gun. Big, thick, and heavy.
Ooh, how about that? Wolff has extra power recoil springs, mainsprings, and mag springs for the M45 Firestar.
I'm interested in converting my 4566 to .45 Super.
I'm also interested in converting my EAA Witness .45 to .45 Super.
It's a large frame, full size with factory ported barrel and slide.
I bought it new, in 1998 or 99. Big, beefy gun. Fat, heavy slide.
They make 10mm conversion kits for it, so I'd think the Super would be ok.
Feel free to let me know if I'm wrong.
I'd love to see how my Star Firestar .45 would shoot with .45 Super.
Not sure I'd want to experiment with it, since they're scarce now.
Now, I wish I'd bought that Star Megastar .45 I saw at the pawn shop back in '07.
Talk about a beefy gun. Big, thick, and heavy.
Ooh, how about that? Wolff has extra power recoil springs, mainsprings, and mag springs for the M45 Firestar.
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Miami_JBT
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Thanks for the info.
Yes, I do.
On my 4506-1 I currently have a Wolff 20# recoil spring (#47320) in it for 45 Super & 45ACP (+P) loads.
If you stay with a standard 20# mainspring (Wolff #27520) that's fine.
If you go with a heavier 22# mainspring (Wolff #27522) that'll slow the slide (Condition "B") a bit more but increase the felt trigger pull.
45 Super are fun to shoot. At ~25K-28K psi they're not "magnum" loads, in my book.
I'd suggest using Starline 45 Super brass, & Power Pistol powder with standard LP primers.
A COAL of 1.220" works fine in my 3rd Gens but the leade/freebore in my Colt Gov't 1911 is not as generous & I load them to 1.200" with Zero 185gr JHPs to pass the "plunk test".
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My Colt 1911 Government Mk.IV Series 70 slide & barrel weighs 16.7oz.
My 4506-1 slide & barrel weighs 17.6oz. (My 1006 bbl/slide weighs 19.7oz)
I think design plays more of a factor.
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Yes. Handloads.com had a write-up about it several years ago.
It said:
"...the New Model Blackhawk 45 Auto cylinder can safely chamber and fire 45 Super ammo, which operates at 28,000 Cup.
The Blackhawk revolver is also capable of safely firing the 460 Rowland round... by having the Ruger 45 Auto cylinder rechambered by a competent gunsmith... In order to add an extra margin of safety I decided to put the upper limit at around 35,000 Cup."
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45 super in 4506
Back in the 80's, Ace Hilderman was perhaps one of the first gunsmiths who who "convert" the 1911 and the 4506 so that they could fire the 45 super. I was younger and foolish so I called him to inquire about the "conversion" He was charging $250 for a 1911 and $350 for the 4506 as he said he would have to weld in a support for a heavier r/spring on the S&W. He would also convert a delta elite so that it could fire a .10 mm super. He said the 45 super would require special case as the regular .45 case was not strong enough but the 10 mm case was strong enough. Think the 10 mm super never got off the ground.
I am thinking he is dead but his son took over and likes to convert glocks so they can fire the 45 super
Back in the 80's, Ace Hilderman was perhaps one of the first gunsmiths who who "convert" the 1911 and the 4506 so that they could fire the 45 super. I was younger and foolish so I called him to inquire about the "conversion" He was charging $250 for a 1911 and $350 for the 4506 as he said he would have to weld in a support for a heavier r/spring on the S&W. He would also convert a delta elite so that it could fire a .10 mm super. He said the 45 super would require special case as the regular .45 case was not strong enough but the 10 mm case was strong enough. Think the 10 mm super never got off the ground.
I am thinking he is dead but his son took over and likes to convert glocks so they can fire the 45 super
