I have the 460 hunter with the 12.5" barrel, I have shot the big loads, now i just shoot the light loads, have been shooting 13.7g of trail boss with a 255g swc or a 270 SAA, question why can't i shoot the good hornady 240 gn XTP, i would think its just because the lead is cheaper. the 13.7 g of trail boss fills the case an make a nice light load, then you don't have to go the 45colt or 454 way, which can mess with the chamber.
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I have the 460 hunter with the 12.5" barrel, I have shot the big loads, now i just shoot the light loads, have been shooting 13.7g of trail boss with a 255g swc or a 270 SAA, question why can't i shoot the good hornady 240 gn XTP, i would think its just because the lead is cheaper. the 13.7 g of trail boss fills the case an make a nice light load, then you don't have to go the 45colt or 454 way, which can mess with the chamber.
Heavilin,
I have not tried trail boss but have shot the 240 and 250 xtp with anything between 10.5 and 13 grains of unique. My xvr loves anything...the wife's V does not. It does not nshoot the reduced loads well. But then again...25 grains of 2400 with either a 240, 250, or 300 Gold dot shoots GREAT.
I do not know the "safety" of my loads but they work well and show no danger signs.
The unique loads end up 850- 1100 or so and the 2400's are in the 1250-1500 range. I really should keep better data.
I should also say that I have used these loads in both 454 and 460 cases but the 45 colt (all) do not shoot well from either gun.
I let an IPSC shooter try my 460 and with the 25 grains of 2400 pushing the 300 gold dot he fired 3- three shot, one hole groups at a measured 25 yards. I am not that good but I am ecstatic to know the gun is!
Hope this helps.
HD2
I have not tried trail boss but have shot the 240 and 250 xtp with anything between 10.5 and 13 grains of unique. My xvr loves anything...the wife's V does not. It does not nshoot the reduced loads well. But then again...25 grains of 2400 with either a 240, 250, or 300 Gold dot shoots GREAT.
I do not know the "safety" of my loads but they work well and show no danger signs.
The unique loads end up 850- 1100 or so and the 2400's are in the 1250-1500 range. I really should keep better data.
I should also say that I have used these loads in both 454 and 460 cases but the 45 colt (all) do not shoot well from either gun.
I let an IPSC shooter try my 460 and with the 25 grains of 2400 pushing the 300 gold dot he fired 3- three shot, one hole groups at a measured 25 yards. I am not that good but I am ecstatic to know the gun is!
Hope this helps.
HD2
duckloads
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http://www.accuratepowder.com/data/Accurate%20v322%20web%20publication.pdf
I've been using A5744 for reduced loads in the 460 mag cases. I like it OK. Using 300gr speer GDHP (454 casull bullet) and 30 gr 5744, I've been shooting 4" groups at 50yds with my 460 XVR. Now I have a scope and the outsoor range has re-opened, I hope to get them a little tighter.
I've been using A5744 for reduced loads in the 460 mag cases. I like it OK. Using 300gr speer GDHP (454 casull bullet) and 30 gr 5744, I've been shooting 4" groups at 50yds with my 460 XVR. Now I have a scope and the outsoor range has re-opened, I hope to get them a little tighter.
Heav...picked up some trail boss today. Am loading a variety of jacketed now. My supplier said..."you'll be fine". I'll report which work and the velocity and load.
Duck, hope your hearing is returning to normal. I like the 300 GD too, in every load.
HD2
Duck, hope your hearing is returning to normal. I like the 300 GD too, in every load.
HD2
shot sat and sun, was about ready to go back to the 40.0 g of 4227, which is fast and you get the big boom, my 460 loves that load shot a .323 group at 50 yards and a .756 at 100 yards, then since trying to go to light loads shoots a little one, then a big one, nothing consistent, I will get ahold of some unique, and the 2400 and give it a try, get back to me on trailboss if you try it, I'm thinking this 460 just will not shoot the lead bullets, some say the 100/20 grain twist could be the problem with the lead.
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Houndog2
Monday the 16th, just got off the phone with IMR tech, verified what you said, he says you can use any jackted bullet with trailboss, he says if they don't shoot good, probably because
you can't get the speed you need.
Don
Monday the 16th, just got off the phone with IMR tech, verified what you said, he says you can use any jackted bullet with trailboss, he says if they don't shoot good, probably because
Don
Heav,
Ok....300 gr xtp or gold dot with 13.5 trail boss were in the 850 fps range and did NOT shoot good groups in the V. Did not try in the XVR.
BUT....250 xtp with 13.5 TB gave me 919fps and a ragged hole in the center of the target in the V AND the XVR. Perfect for me.
My interest in reduced loads is simply in case I have to shoot the thing on the spur of the moment I want at least 3 bullets that will not blow my ears out. In my business I simply can't afford to shoot the thing with out muffs if factory rounds are used. Having to put down a wild animal and not having muffs would be life changing for me if I only had factory rounds.
So far the TB/250xtp load is the only one that shoots GREAT for me. My other "reduced loads" with unique and 2400 all shoot good too, but again, they are all >1200. I have found not many under this shoot good and NOTHING under the TB shoots great.
25 grains of 2400 with a 300 Gold Dot is an excellent "lower power" load but still wouldn't want to HAVE to shoot with out muffs or plugs.
Part of the "charm" of the 460 is it's (supposed) flexiblity. This is harder to achieve than simply buying Colt or 454 factory stuff.
But thanks to you, I tried TB and now have what I need.....accuracy at ANY power level. It's nice not to have to sacrifice accuracy to insure ear safety under spur of the moment need.
Hope this helps....and again thanks for the post.....I bought 5 pounds of TB!
HD2
BTW...I've not tried lead bullets except my Colt loads and they sucked. In the Uberti they make tiny groups. I think you are right about the rifling but maybe it's not the bullets themselves but the velocity? I'm not inclined to shoot lead unless jacketed get scarce!
Ok....300 gr xtp or gold dot with 13.5 trail boss were in the 850 fps range and did NOT shoot good groups in the V. Did not try in the XVR.
BUT....250 xtp with 13.5 TB gave me 919fps and a ragged hole in the center of the target in the V AND the XVR. Perfect for me.
My interest in reduced loads is simply in case I have to shoot the thing on the spur of the moment I want at least 3 bullets that will not blow my ears out. In my business I simply can't afford to shoot the thing with out muffs if factory rounds are used. Having to put down a wild animal and not having muffs would be life changing for me if I only had factory rounds.
So far the TB/250xtp load is the only one that shoots GREAT for me. My other "reduced loads" with unique and 2400 all shoot good too, but again, they are all >1200. I have found not many under this shoot good and NOTHING under the TB shoots great.
25 grains of 2400 with a 300 Gold Dot is an excellent "lower power" load but still wouldn't want to HAVE to shoot with out muffs or plugs.
Part of the "charm" of the 460 is it's (supposed) flexiblity. This is harder to achieve than simply buying Colt or 454 factory stuff.
But thanks to you, I tried TB and now have what I need.....accuracy at ANY power level. It's nice not to have to sacrifice accuracy to insure ear safety under spur of the moment need.
Hope this helps....and again thanks for the post.....I bought 5 pounds of TB!
HD2
BTW...I've not tried lead bullets except my Colt loads and they sucked. In the Uberti they make tiny groups. I think you are right about the rifling but maybe it's not the bullets themselves but the velocity? I'm not inclined to shoot lead unless jacketed get scarce!
Thanks HD2, I don't have any 250's but i have 4 boxes of the 240XTP, I will try them, I have some sierra 240g sport masters and some 225g speers JHP's, might try themm, Can you shoot a bullet with out a crimp ring in the 460?, never thought i would be in to pistols like this. i was a 10 year comptetive 6ppc bench shooter for 15 years, got started with the pistols, when i bought a les baer 45acp wadcutter, I shoot everthing for groups (small ones) I'm not happer unless every thing shoots .250 or below. at 25 yards, off the bench, but you still have to pull the trigger an not move. The following is what i have picked up in the last 6 months
smithwesson 625Gm, 325 thunder ranch 45acp, Les Baer 45acp wadcutter an a high standard victor 10x 22. Then I have my custom rimfire rifle for the matches i shoot in. It's getting hard to decide what to shoot every week end.
Don
smithwesson 625Gm, 325 thunder ranch 45acp, Les Baer 45acp wadcutter an a high standard victor 10x 22. Then I have my custom rimfire rifle for the matches i shoot in. It's getting hard to decide what to shoot every week end.
Don
duckloads
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This is all great info. Are you loading the above load in 460 cases?
Hey Don,
I was writing I guess when you posted the follow up to your other....when I asked the fellow I get supplies from he said "you could fill the case and be fine". I said, really? He said "sure, but I'd maybe leave room for the bullet". This guy I trust. His point was you can't get enough TB in a 460 case to cause a problem with any bullet of reasonable weight.
Sounds like the IMR folks verified what we suspected.
I will try the 300's with more TB and report back. I just picked 13.5 grain out the air because it looked like a good amount in the case. Got lucky I think for my guns and will not mess with other "light" loads for the 250 xtp....no reason to waste bullets trying to find an alternative to what I was looking for! I figure an accurate 900 fps, 250 grain bullet of any type will be just fine for most any "emergency" and we will still be able to hear when it's over....well...unless the "emergency" requires we get to the 5th hole!
Hey Duck, I'm sorry I meant to specify the TB loads are 460 cases. 454 case loads shoot good in both guns but only the stiff ones (2400 or lots of unique)....it seeeeems that the lower the velocity the more the guns I have want the longer cases.
Ed
I was writing I guess when you posted the follow up to your other....when I asked the fellow I get supplies from he said "you could fill the case and be fine". I said, really? He said "sure, but I'd maybe leave room for the bullet". This guy I trust. His point was you can't get enough TB in a 460 case to cause a problem with any bullet of reasonable weight.
Sounds like the IMR folks verified what we suspected.
I will try the 300's with more TB and report back. I just picked 13.5 grain out the air because it looked like a good amount in the case. Got lucky I think for my guns and will not mess with other "light" loads for the 250 xtp....no reason to waste bullets trying to find an alternative to what I was looking for! I figure an accurate 900 fps, 250 grain bullet of any type will be just fine for most any "emergency" and we will still be able to hear when it's over....well...unless the "emergency" requires we get to the 5th hole!
Hey Duck, I'm sorry I meant to specify the TB loads are 460 cases. 454 case loads shoot good in both guns but only the stiff ones (2400 or lots of unique)....it seeeeems that the lower the velocity the more the guns I have want the longer cases.
Ed
Don,
I forgot, the 240 xtp's I had shot just like the 250's in the 1500 fps range loads. I can get the 250's easier and they are heavier and that is why I use them. I'm sure the 240's will be fine with the same load.
I have not had "great" luck with the sierra's that I have tried....all were .4515 diameter. All other bullets I have used are 452. The sierra's seem to shoot better at the upper end of the power range.
I don't see why you'd need a crimp groove, just make sure not to seat the bullet too deep although with trail boss I bet it will be very hard to get overpressure in our guns! This will not be the case with other powders, probably.
I love these guns! I loaded and shot . 41 mag for 30 years....the 460 is way more fun and considering the .41 hooked me for 30 years that is saying something!
I have a LOT of loaded stuff with a bunch of different bullets loaded with unique and 2400 and will soon try and chrono and judge them for "accuracy" in each gun.
They are all mid to high velocity and shoot pretty good. Since the search for a non ear damaging "decent power" load is done (thanks to your post here) I will concentrate on weeding through the others.
This whole thing got out of hand with the second pistol....the two like different loads and that sucks....except for the "ear safe" load and that is a very , very good thing.
Now to find something between the factory "ear killer" and the "ear safe" that will work as well in both guns!
Whew!
Ed
I forgot, the 240 xtp's I had shot just like the 250's in the 1500 fps range loads. I can get the 250's easier and they are heavier and that is why I use them. I'm sure the 240's will be fine with the same load.
I have not had "great" luck with the sierra's that I have tried....all were .4515 diameter. All other bullets I have used are 452. The sierra's seem to shoot better at the upper end of the power range.
I don't see why you'd need a crimp groove, just make sure not to seat the bullet too deep although with trail boss I bet it will be very hard to get overpressure in our guns! This will not be the case with other powders, probably.
I love these guns! I loaded and shot . 41 mag for 30 years....the 460 is way more fun and considering the .41 hooked me for 30 years that is saying something!
I have a LOT of loaded stuff with a bunch of different bullets loaded with unique and 2400 and will soon try and chrono and judge them for "accuracy" in each gun.
They are all mid to high velocity and shoot pretty good. Since the search for a non ear damaging "decent power" load is done (thanks to your post here) I will concentrate on weeding through the others.
This whole thing got out of hand with the second pistol....the two like different loads and that sucks....except for the "ear safe" load and that is a very , very good thing.
Now to find something between the factory "ear killer" and the "ear safe" that will work as well in both guns!
Whew!
Ed
buck460XVR
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what model XVR are you shootin' Houndog and how much Unique under the 250s. I got most all of a box of 250XTPs and a lightly used jug of Unique and I would like to pop them off. I haven't had a whole lot of luck with my reduced loads yet for my XVR and would like to find something pleasant to shoot. I assume the Unique loads are pretty dirty, eh?
You guys let me know if it's worth my while to invest in some Trail Boss too.
Buck,
In 454 and 460 cases I have used 10-13 grains with the xtp 250. Yea, it's a little dirty. They shoot ok. The "1.3" Lee dipper using unique with a 250 Gold Dot in a 454 case gave 1000 fps and one ragged hole out of my xvr. In spite of that I just hate using the short "little" 454 cases!
I really like the TB ....13.5 grains, 460 case, 250 xtp seems really nice...~ 900 fps and low blast. BUT....this is in the wife's 460V.
My xvr is the 8 3/4 incher, Helen's is the 5".
I have used the same amount of unique and 2400 with bullets of either 300 or 250 grain btw.
I figure (maybe not correctly) that with these powders at the levels I am using they are well within safety limits.
Please understand that one of my wishes is to have (only on hand) powders that will work in a variety of calibers and bullets. With the 460's even "mild" loads are crazy....so the common unique and 2400 work just fine. For full power loads I'll use the factory stuff.
Trail Boss seems the ticket for the low power stuff......
Hope this helps. And for what it's worth, both guns shoot the higher velocity stuff on average much better than the low power stuff....meaning that every load over about 1200 fps shoots pretty damn good and all over 1500 are great it seems. It's much harder getting a low velocity load to shoot well with them, it seems.
My opinions fellows!
Ed
In 454 and 460 cases I have used 10-13 grains with the xtp 250. Yea, it's a little dirty. They shoot ok. The "1.3" Lee dipper using unique with a 250 Gold Dot in a 454 case gave 1000 fps and one ragged hole out of my xvr. In spite of that I just hate using the short "little" 454 cases!
I really like the TB ....13.5 grains, 460 case, 250 xtp seems really nice...~ 900 fps and low blast. BUT....this is in the wife's 460V.
My xvr is the 8 3/4 incher, Helen's is the 5".
I have used the same amount of unique and 2400 with bullets of either 300 or 250 grain btw.
I figure (maybe not correctly) that with these powders at the levels I am using they are well within safety limits.
Please understand that one of my wishes is to have (only on hand) powders that will work in a variety of calibers and bullets. With the 460's even "mild" loads are crazy....so the common unique and 2400 work just fine. For full power loads I'll use the factory stuff.
Trail Boss seems the ticket for the low power stuff......
Hope this helps. And for what it's worth, both guns shoot the higher velocity stuff on average much better than the low power stuff....meaning that every load over about 1200 fps shoots pretty damn good and all over 1500 are great it seems. It's much harder getting a low velocity load to shoot well with them, it seems.
My opinions fellows!
Ed
duckloads
Member
About these TB loads, Is it OK to use LPM primers with the TB? I have a few cases already primed that I would like to try the TB in.
Duck,
What's LPM ? Sorry, may be a brain fart on my end. Or did you mean large rifle magnum (LRM?).
In 454 cases I use small rifle primers and in the 460 I use large rifle primers. The brands vary but I have never used magnum primers and typically use CCI. That said, with TB I can't imagine in our guns any load would be over the top with magnum primers. I'd not hesitate to use cases primed with them using TB. Bug not anything else, probably. MY OPINION AND GUESS!!!! If someone knows better please let us know!
Just got a Glock 36 and 50 rounds hurt my hand more than a hundred through either 460! And I literally mean a hundred with half of those being factory rounds, because I do it all the time! Recoil on the Glock wasn't bad, it just hurt my hand. Makes me love the 460 X Frame even more. It's an amazing gun. kills cans as good as any thing I have ever shot them with.
Ed
What's LPM ? Sorry, may be a brain fart on my end. Or did you mean large rifle magnum (LRM?).
In 454 cases I use small rifle primers and in the 460 I use large rifle primers. The brands vary but I have never used magnum primers and typically use CCI. That said, with TB I can't imagine in our guns any load would be over the top with magnum primers. I'd not hesitate to use cases primed with them using TB. Bug not anything else, probably. MY OPINION AND GUESS!!!! If someone knows better please let us know!
Just got a Glock 36 and 50 rounds hurt my hand more than a hundred through either 460! And I literally mean a hundred with half of those being factory rounds, because I do it all the time! Recoil on the Glock wasn't bad, it just hurt my hand. Makes me love the 460 X Frame even more. It's an amazing gun. kills cans as good as any thing I have ever shot them with.
Ed
duckloads
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Yep, I meant LRM in the 460 cases with Trail Boss.
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