Marshall 357
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What can you tell me about this round Thanks.
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5.45 X 39 mm
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ronnie gore
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5.45x39
this is a good round, i have two guns in this caliber and lots of ammo (as it is the only ammo out there that is cheap.) R-GUNS HAS IT AT A REDUCED PRICE. light recoil with several bullet weights availiable, i have 70grain russian which is the most accurate, 60 grain wolf, 53 grain russian. some of it is corrosive but not a big deal to me as i have been shooting corrosive for years just clean properly. i use it in the ak platform as the ar-15 ports the gas back into the action and with the corrosive nature of most of the surplus ammo it makes for more cleaning in the ar platform.
this is a good round, i have two guns in this caliber and lots of ammo (as it is the only ammo out there that is cheap.) R-GUNS HAS IT AT A REDUCED PRICE. light recoil with several bullet weights availiable, i have 70grain russian which is the most accurate, 60 grain wolf, 53 grain russian. some of it is corrosive but not a big deal to me as i have been shooting corrosive for years just clean properly. i use it in the ak platform as the ar-15 ports the gas back into the action and with the corrosive nature of most of the surplus ammo it makes for more cleaning in the ar platform.
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LuddhaBuddha
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Why must you wait for hell to freeze over before you buy reloading stuff?
LuddhaBuddha
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Well if you arn't picky about brand you can find components, but I'm afraid price is something that will never go down no matter how cold hell gets.
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Marshall 357
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I was kinda hoping someone could tell me about the power range and things like that.
gaucho1
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The 5.45 is first and foremost a military cartridge.
The wound enhancement method to cause damage by beginning to tumble at shallow penetration depths.The bullet is designed with a hollow cavity underneath the FMJ. Both the deformation of the tip and the weight bias to the rear cause it to upset at contact to the target.
As far as I know,no bullets have been marketed for hunting.
As far as "power",5.45x39 has 2/3 the recoil impulse of common .223.
Some have coined the description"poison bullet" as a description of
its deadly effect.Others have stated that the Afghans were dismissing it
as a hornets sting.I have no first hand opinion.
The complete rnd. looks like a mean tooth to my eye.
What is your interest?
The wound enhancement method to cause damage by beginning to tumble at shallow penetration depths.The bullet is designed with a hollow cavity underneath the FMJ. Both the deformation of the tip and the weight bias to the rear cause it to upset at contact to the target.
As far as I know,no bullets have been marketed for hunting.
As far as "power",5.45x39 has 2/3 the recoil impulse of common .223.
Some have coined the description"poison bullet" as a description of
its deadly effect.Others have stated that the Afghans were dismissing it
as a hornets sting.I have no first hand opinion.
The complete rnd. looks like a mean tooth to my eye.
What is your interest?
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Marshall 357
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It looks like a wicked round,wanted to know about it.
Hi,
The referance book I have lists the 5.45 X 39 as the replacement for the 7.62 X 39 in the combloc system. The Wolf Co. makes hollow point ammo in this cal. nomaculture follows:
7N6 standard round (FMJ) 52/53 gr. 2920 +/- 100 fps
7N10 enhanced penetrator (steel core) 56/57 gr. 3051 +/- 100 fps
7N22 Armor pearcing (black tip) 57 gr.
7H3 blank
7N24 63 gr.
5.45 PRS plastic projectil (white)
I hope this helps.
The referance book I have lists the 5.45 X 39 as the replacement for the 7.62 X 39 in the combloc system. The Wolf Co. makes hollow point ammo in this cal. nomaculture follows:
7N6 standard round (FMJ) 52/53 gr. 2920 +/- 100 fps
7N10 enhanced penetrator (steel core) 56/57 gr. 3051 +/- 100 fps
7N22 Armor pearcing (black tip) 57 gr.
7H3 blank
7N24 63 gr.
5.45 PRS plastic projectil (white)
I hope this helps.
Nope, I'm not picky about brands, unless I'm out for accuracy which I doubt I'm going to get from my rifle, I'd even buy Lee dies.
So who makes boxer primed brass, (as in not steel), cases that take standard U.S. primer sizes? I believe the bullets are supposed to be about .221-.222 dia. but the one I pulled and measured was closer to .224 dia. so they are not a problem.
As far as prices, they will go down...when someone decides to make them a "non-specialty" or "custom made" item. If hell has cooled off and you know who is making this stuff, please let me know.
Marshall 357, From what I've read, the 5.45X39 is the Soviet answer to the Nato 5.56X45, specifically designed to work in the AK platform. The bullets I pulled are about an inch long and are made to tumble in tissue to make spectacluar wounds.
I just did a quick search. Brass and dies are available at the following prices. RCBS dies, which I prefer over any other brand by the way, are about $137. Custom made brass is over $3 each. Satan isn't looking for his shawl just yet.
gaucho1
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Unfortunately,the wolf hollow point does not expand.
The jacket is very thick and similar to the wolf 7.62X39 hollow point
is simply and only a name and marketing tool and does not function.
The jacket is very thick and similar to the wolf 7.62X39 hollow point
is simply and only a name and marketing tool and does not function.
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Marshall 357
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Thanks guys,
LuddhaBuddha
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I appologize I thought you meant that you were going to pick up some cheap 5.45 because you couldn't find components to load other calibers.
No problem LuddhaBuddha, I have components for other calibers, except for primers which are priced at $5/100 around here. I try to look for them when we go out of the area, but everyone that sells them at a decent price is always out when I get there. I still have a few but just haven't felt much like loading, or shooting, in quite a while.
I don't need a lot of ammo for my 5.45X39 because it's not a gun that I like to take out to the range, pretty much like my other AK. But then, I didn't buy them for range guns.
I don't need a lot of ammo for my 5.45X39 because it's not a gun that I like to take out to the range, pretty much like my other AK. But then, I didn't buy them for range guns.
LuddhaBuddha
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I searched around a bit and it looks like if you were to get that RCBS die that you can use .222 remington brass to make the 5.45x39 cases, that is how that company makes their 5.45 brass that they charge 3$ for.
If the round was more popular and the big U.S. ammo makers started production the price of the dies would come down. If it was really popular they would be more mass produced and would be at their lowest price. But until other weapons are made for it, or it just catches on a lot more than it has, it's a specialty item.
As for now, I can buy enough factory steel cased ammo to keep all my mags filled for $137, with a lot of money left over. I should replace the politically correct stock on it to make it a little more pleasureable to shoot, but I have two 100 round drums for my AKS-762 and would probably grab it first anyway.
As for now, I can buy enough factory steel cased ammo to keep all my mags filled for $137, with a lot of money left over. I should replace the politically correct stock on it to make it a little more pleasureable to shoot, but I have two 100 round drums for my AKS-762 and would probably grab it first anyway.
LuddhaBuddha
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I think the dies will be cheaper and there will be factory brass when the supply of cheap surplus ammo runs out, thats pretty much what happened with 7.62x39.
Actually, I was loading for the 7.62X39 long before the surplus ammo dried up. And was using some rather inexpensive dies to do it.
Many people were trying to make accurate loads for the SKS, something that is a waste of time with most AKs. There were a number of "other" firearms chambered for it, such as the ARs, Mini 30, H&R Handi Rifle, T/C Contender and etc. There were also a number of extremely accurate Benchrest rounds that were designed off of its, case.
I believe the Contender had a lot to do with the surplus ammo problem also. Most of the surplus ammo was armor piercing and since the Contender is a pistol and there is a law against AP ammo for handguns, the ATF had the importation of it stopped.
Anyhow, if the 5.45X39 is going to become popular with handloaders, it's going to need a new platform to shoot it from.
Many people were trying to make accurate loads for the SKS, something that is a waste of time with most AKs. There were a number of "other" firearms chambered for it, such as the ARs, Mini 30, H&R Handi Rifle, T/C Contender and etc. There were also a number of extremely accurate Benchrest rounds that were designed off of its, case.
I believe the Contender had a lot to do with the surplus ammo problem also. Most of the surplus ammo was armor piercing and since the Contender is a pistol and there is a law against AP ammo for handguns, the ATF had the importation of it stopped.
Anyhow, if the 5.45X39 is going to become popular with handloaders, it's going to need a new platform to shoot it from.
