617 no dash question
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stang1911
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No and Yes
Even so if the price were reasonable I wouldn't advise you to pass on it.
DS-10-SPEED
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The 617 on the top is a no dash 6" 6 shot, the middle one is a 617-2 that came with a 10 shot stainless cylinder, both bought new. I believe the no dash was only offered with a 6 shot cylinder, the first -2's had an aluminum cylinder and later -2's had stainless like mine. The bottom one is 617-6 10 shot that I bought used.
If it's a no dash with a 10 shot cylinder it may have been converted. If it's done right it should be a great revolver. It may not have MIM parts in it.
I was going to have my 6 shot converted to 10 but decided to buy another one, and another one, and another one, and another one ................................
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The 10 shot 617 no dash was produced but probably non-catalogued and in very limited numbers.
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Interesting. I wonder if it's possible to document whether this one originally came with the 10 shot cylinder?
Page 251 (pic) and 252- SCSW 3rd Ed.
Sounds like a maybe on your question.
I was of the opinion the dash two started the ten shot cylinders
as well but maybe not.
Regardless here's my -2 prelock 10 shot with some combats
added. (It came with rubbers). Mine has the Stainless cylinder.
Chuck
I was of the opinion the dash two started the ten shot cylinders
as well but maybe not.
Regardless here's my -2 prelock 10 shot with some combats
added. (It came with rubbers). Mine has the Stainless cylinder.
Chuck
Very limited 617 no-dash, no lug; S&W product code 103595 (17 RB) and 103597 (23 SB).
Email S&W the ser# and they should reply with SKU.
Email S&W the ser# and they should reply with SKU.
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Triathloncoach
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Now here is an example of insider knowledge. I don't see this information in the book. Now that would be quite the find.
What would be a decent price assuming it's been converted - excellent condition, perfect timing, stainless steel cylinder, rubber grips and no box? if it has been converted the fact it has no original box or combat grips doesn't matter that much to the price, as it's relegated to shooter rather than collector grade.
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Well the wood S&W combat grips are worth more than you might realize because if they have good color and pretty grain they sell for $200 plus with some selling for $250. I would discount the price on a no dash with rubber grips and a non standard cylinder. That said only you can determine what the revolver is worth to you.
Kernel Crittenden
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It's right there on page 251 in the Model 617 section.....
Limited parts of the SCoSW is on Google Books.
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Kernel Crittenden
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The market values older M617's. Something in the $700 to $850 range would probably be fair in a FTF transaction for a 10-shot 4-inch no-dash. If you can get it for less you're getting a excellent deal IMO.
Confusing info here. It says the no dash was made from 1989 till the 617-1 in 1993, so how were these special no dash 10 shots made in 1998? This was during the 617-2 steel cylinder 10 shot days. The grips on this gun are the same that came with the 617-1 models, and were the first style of rubber 617 grips. I still think it's possible this came new with these grips and cylinder, I'll get the serial number when I can.
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I'm with you as I just looked at the book and I don't see a 10 shot cylinder until 1996 and the only really special 617 no dash were the 200 special order with no under lug.
I wonder if it's possible the original owner ordered a 617 4" with 10 shot steel cylinder in 1996 or thereabouts, and Smith sent him a nos no dash frame/barrel with 617-1 grips and this 10 shot cylinder because that's what they had available? If this came from Smith this way, would the serial number reflect that?
Do you have the whole serial number? If so call the S&W customer service number and ask them if they can confirm how it was originally sold and/or if it came back for any work.
Kernel Crittenden
US Veteran
Your right. It is a deviation. If they were standard production 10-shots made in 1998 with the old style frame I'd expect them to be -2s. The SCoSW dosen't even mention their dash number, unless it's on page 252.
Based on the s/n's the 6-inch guns have (I've seen several of these guns), it appears the frames were made, s/n'd and stamped with their model number in 1993, when a no-dash would of been expected (before the switch over to -1). Some of the 4-inch guns actually WERE marked as -1s.
Later, in 1998, a very small number of these unused frames were fully assembled into this unusual no-lug 10-shot configuration. They're not normal guns. Everything about these M617s is a one-off from standard. Including the dash numbers.
Duke, is the gun in question a no-lug? Or are we off on a tangent (which is fine).
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