629 - No Dash Value?

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Got wind of a 4" 629 "no dash", P&R, & reputedly an un-fired safe queen. Probably no box or tools.

Not presently offered for sale, but "might" be available - if ya' know what I mean...

Wondering if anyone can venture an educated guess, as to current market value? Any input would be appreciated - thanks in advance!
 
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On a auction site they can go for very high dollars. I sold my 629 no dash 4 inch last year with a presentation case and all the goodies on GB and it went for $2219. That was before the current craziness started going on like it is now.
 
I have been seeing them go for 1300.00-1500.00 in good shape without box. With box in like new condition i was outbid recently. It went for just over 1700.00.
 
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The sky is going to be the limit on the no-dash 629s, and many other N and K frames we all love. I mentioned in several posts a couple of years ago investors are entering the quality gun market. We're seeing that materialize now with the exorbitant prices many of these people are willing to pay .

The 4 and 8 3/8" P&R 629s were only made for a year and that's part of the attraction. But 29s, 57s, 28s, 27s, 25s, 19s, and 66s, etc, etc, are all rapidly following suit

I advised two years ago that non gun collector investors were entering the early S&W gun buying market. With the terrible economy in real estate, CDs and bank interest, the volatility of precious metals, the rapidly deflating dollar value and the continuing apprehension with foreign affairs there are very few opportunities for dependable growth investments.... rapidly appreciating gun values, especially with S&W is often seen as an opportunity by many sophisticated investors.

My suggestion then was for serious shooters and collectors who had particular models in mind was to buy them then, especially the rare and difficult to find guns. Now, even at today's elevated prices I would make the same suggestion because IMHO "we ain't seen nothin' yet" with our declining economy.

We aren't just competing with another forum member for that special N or K frame gun. These a big money people who have the capacity to actually influence the value of these guns in a big way....

Enough said..... again.....

 
Thanks for the input Gents. I was actually just asking around for a 4" 629-4 shooter, when the "no dash", P&R model was mentioned.

I suppose that even if the "unfired" P&R 629 turned out to be available - at a relatively "affordable" price, a guy would need to be half nuts, to turn it into a shooter.

Of course, then again... ;=]
 
Thanks for the input Gents. I was actually just asking around for a 4" 629-4 shooter, when the "no dash", P&R model was mentioned.

I suppose that even if the "unfired" P&R 629 turned out to be available - at a relatively "affordable" price, a guy would need to be half nuts, to turn it into a shooter.

Of course, then again... ;=]

I don't think so. I love to shoot my classics. They were built to shoot after all. Care and cleaning and she will still be worth plenty even being shot. Enjoy your guns I say. Let your kids figure out values when your dead. With any luck they will do the same though. Shoot, clean, enjoy and pass on to the next generation. It don't get much better than that.:)
 
Why would an "unfired" gun not have a box? Who throws away the box on a new gun they never intend to use? Is real estate in the the sock drawer just that precious?

Sorry for the rant. I feel better now.
 
Why would an "unfired" gun not have a box? Who throws away the box on a new gun they never intend to use? Is real estate in the the sock drawer just that precious?

Sorry for the rant. I feel better now.

Some drawers have more socks then others, maybe? Probably as many reasons, as there are gun owners, & a lot of stuff happens over a period of 30+ years...

The "probably no box" thing, was speculation by me - based upon what I've seen in the past, from this particular source.

Personally, I'd have to ask why anyone would throw away a box for a gun that they WERE going to use??
 
Why would an "unfired" gun not have a box? Who throws away the box on a new gun they never intend to use? Is real estate in the the sock drawer just that precious?

Sorry for the rant. I feel better now.

I will tell you why. People are selling the box, the grips and then the gun separately to get as much as they can for everything. Seen it. It bothers me even though I am not a guy who cares about boxes.
 
I purchased a very lightly used 629 no dash this year with a box, no tools and no papers for about $850. I actually traded a P229 and some cash.

The box needs to be re-done, but the gun itself was very lightly used, and it had:
Red Ramp front site
White outline adjustable rear sight
Target Trigger
Target Hammer
Target Stocks that are near perfect.

It sounds like I should get the box restored and try to track down papers and tools.
 
GCF...

You're exactly right about the boxes and accessories. Storage of the presentation cases was always a problem and they usually ended up being either disposed of or beaten to a pulp in some hot attic...

Boxes and accessories, in good condition, are currently selling for almost as much as the original guns! The competition for original boxes is becoming heated, too, for all the N frame guns.

If you have a chance at that 629 P&R 4 inch in the shape you describe, with like accessories and docs, I believe you'd never regret paying $15 to $1700 for it.. Many of the blue and nickle N frame P&R guns in other calibers are already approaching or exceeding those figures....

Just sayin'
 
GCF...

You're exactly right about the boxes and accessories. Storage of the presentation cases was always a problem and they usually ended up being either disposed of or beaten to a pulp in some hot attic...

Boxes and accessories, in good condition, are currently selling for almost as much as the original guns! The competition for original boxes is becoming heated, too, for all the N frame guns.

If you have a chance at that 629 P&R 4 inch in the shape you describe, with like accessories and docs, I believe you'd never regret paying $15 to $1700 for it.. Many of the blue and nickle N frame P&R guns in other calibers are already approaching or exceeding those figures....

Just sayin'

Thanks for the perspective. Without a doubt, I'll take a hard look at it - IF in fact, it actually materializes...

Investment speculation on known "collector" commodities, can be a tricky business though. The TRICK being, to know IF a given market still has growth potential, or if it is indeed overvalued.

An awful lot of people invested a heck of a lot of money in what was essentially over valued "investment" real estate (prior to the "market correction", of 2007 - 2008), only to see their investment portfolios take a 35% - 50% hit. Many of those folks - even the ones that managed to hang on to their property, are still underwater. Most values have come back - to a certain extent, but few have reached their "pre-crash" levels. Generally speaking, the folks who are in the best shape today (almost 7 years later), are those who bought in BEFORE the price increase craziness began.

I think that in most cases at least, the guys currently making money on "collectable" firearm investments, bought in 5 - 10 years ago, or more.

Additionally, one must be able to recognize the potential (cause & effect) for market "corrections". I can tell you as an example, that IF I were to drop $1500 locally, on a collector grade S&W, & then for what ever reason - lost the ability to list firearms on line, it would be very difficult to recoup my investment, let alone turn a profit. At least in the years I've got left anyway...

I remember walking around a local gun show in 2001, when I came upon a seller w/ a table full of Pre-Ban AR-15's - all priced in the $5500 - $6500 range. Cool guns for sure. Would have been easy enough to ante up, & carry one home.

A scant 3 years later the Clinton "Assault Weapon Ban" expired, & all the major manufacturers began selling new rifles, w/ all the old "pre-ban" features - for under $1000. Couldn't help wondering at that time, how I'd have felt if I'd have bought into the pre-ban craziness - 3 years earlier.

Another potential "market correction" factor (IMHO at least), is internet driven trendiness. 3" K, L, & N frame prices will fluctuate to some degree, based on whether or not there is a current "hot" discussion thread (w/ lots of pics of course) going on the Smith-Wesson Forum.

The third consideration that comes to mind, is whether or not a guy has enough investment capital, to pay inflated prices for unfired collector grade guns, & then leave them unfired for 5 -10 years while their value appreciates. Assuming of course, that the collectable revolver valuation bubble continues to expand at the rate it has - over the last few years.

I've heard it said that there are 3 kinds of gun owners: 1. Collectors, 2. Hunters, & 3. Shooters, & that very few of us can be classified as all three. Gotta' tell you, as a Shooter w/ limited amount of discretionary gun buying capital available, I'd have a difficult time leaving a cherry 4", Model 629, alone in the safe. I DO like to shoot 'em...
 
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I have a 629 no-dash. Probably lowered the value by having MagNaPort port it (and they did the best action job I have ever felt on a S&W revolver too). Great gun.
 

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Holey moley, never realized they are so desirable.
629-4 gets most of the action here, maybe I should put mine on GB?
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Has the presentation box, too.
 
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