642-1 vs 642-2... the difference is?

Mr. Wonderful

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Hi friends,

I visited the local gun show this morning, and bought a new-in-box model 642 without the internal lock. Once I got home, I found a model number difference between the gun, and the factory box.

The gun itself is marked 642-1 while the BOX shows model 642-2. The SKU number (103810) correlates to the non-lock 642 version shown on the S&W website. Serial number is CUL89xx... and matches the box serial number. A fired case is enclosed, with a date on the envelope showing 10/8/2013.

Everything else in the box is as expected, and it came from a very big seller here in Florida. They had a bunch of these 642s and some nice no lock 442s also. By the way, my cost was $389 + sales tax and $5 background check. Not bad.

ANYWAY, not that it's so important... but I was wondering about the difference(s) between the 642-1 and the dash 2 version. Just the internal lock?

Thanks in advance for the help.

Best wishes,

Roger aka Mr. Wonderful
 
That's a darn good price.
The Catalog says the M642-2, introduced in 2002, included the introduction of the lock, and a change from four address lines to two.
Jim
 
The J-hounds are circling, sensing a new J-thread. My 642-2 with the IL has a 2-line address stamping. My 642-1 without the IL also has a 2-line address stamp.My rainy-day 642-1, no IL, is the same.

Now I have a reason to get more 642s, to have one with a 4-line address stamp. By the way, three 642s is the absolute minimum...

Kaaskop49
J-hound extraordinaire
 
I've never been able to detect a pattern regarding the -1 and -2 guns. The factory seems to mark them all over the map. Some with IL, some not. Some small logo, some big logo. Some four line address, some two. I think they just use whatever parts they have in stock at the time to get the guns out the door.
 
My 3rd edition SCSW says:
"642-2 (2002): Introduce internal lock system."
"442-2 (2001): internal key lock system with new MIM internals".
Logically, you would expect S&W to designate the new no-lock 442's and 642's as dash ones, since the lock apparently is what made the dash two, but that appears not to always be the case. Some folks have reported 442-2 marked no-locks.
FWIW the label on the (blue plastic) box for the used 2013 442-2 I bought about a week ago just says 442-- no dash suffix shown. Gun has a lock and is marked 442-2, s/n matches the box.
 
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Just a brief follow-up... (See original posting to understand the context of this note.)

When I bought my no lock 642, my buddy bought a no lock 442. HIS gun is marked 442-1, while the box just says "442" without any dash designation.

That's probably the logic S&W should have used on MY 642 box... just the model number.

Anyway, thanks to everyone who viewed and commented on my question.

Happy shooting,

Roger aka Mr. Wonderful
 
You ended up with a 642-1?

Good pick... I'm personally a fan of the -1 version...

Edmo

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What are MIM internals?
Does it matter?
Are they better or worse than non MIM?

Please first see the FAQ, and the accompanying post by S&W on the issue of MIM: http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-smithing/94072-faqs.html#post1029055

Wish I had seen this b4 writing all the mess below.

Metal Injection Molding. Oversimplified, MIM is a powdered metal mixed with a synthetic binding agent injected into a mold and then heated to a high temperture to cook off the synthetic binding agent leaving only the metal part after the firing process. Your Glock and or M&P is full of MIM parts. Heck, jet engines have moving parts that are MIM (but their parts are x-rayed before use).

Quality of the finnished metal product is dependent on the quality of the mixture put into the molds and the quality of the process. If the process is done correctly, the finished products arguably begin to rival that of other methods. If things are done wrong, parts can be too soft or too brittle.

Some gun manufacturers such as Wilson Combat's 1911's tout the fact that they do not use MIM parts instead selling their customers parts from machined tool grade forged steel. They market these parts as "bullet proof". Many will say that's overkill. And, Wilson typically charges North of 4K for their 1911's. Wilson's clever marketing may just mask their avoidance of the breathtaking expense of materials, machinery, and quality control for MIM production.

Most S&W revolvers have MIM. Maybe all, I do not know. Once in a while you'll see a S&W revolver that foregos the MIM hammer and trigger for forged steel such as the PC 586 L-Comp.

High quality MIM is 95 - 96% the density of forged steel. When MIM breaks people will on occasion point fingers at the fact that it is MIM; but figure if the failed part was machined from forged stock it had to be an anomaly. In other words, you can get the same forum hysteria surrounding MIM you get with the Internal Lock. There are caveats to both, but nothing approaching the ridiculous statements and purchase avoidance sometimes seen on this forum.

There are two equally extreme and equally unfounded positions abounding about MIM: 1) All MIM parts are horrible and should never be used (MIM stands for Maybe It's Metal). 2) There is absolutely no difference so why worry? MIM does introduce defect modes not found in machined from forged parts and the latter parts make more sense (to many) for key parts subject to high stress. Also, it is arguable that gun makers who use MIM for all internal parts are not using common sense.

Here is a hysteria position I recently read by a WC owner: "I have tons of MIM parts in my guns and so far, haven't had any fail. I have ZERO MIM parts in the gun that protects my life and my family. My choice." Koolaide consumed.

So when should MIM be avoided? Some will point out that MIM (like cast) is subject to casting voids (air bubbles) defects as well as metal powder size variation defects, to name the two biggest. As a result, the argument will be made that MIM is not best suited for use in long, thin parts which are subject to stress like a 1911 extractor or slide stop or safety lever where a slight defect would cause the piece to break; but MIM can be safely used for hammers and triggers and similar parts when properly done. While I'm aware those arguments are made, I don't have the expertise to judge their prudence. In revolvers it does appear S&W widely and successfully uses MIM for at least hammers hammers and triggers.

Here's the conclusion over at gunnuts.net, "So here’s the truth about MIM – there are plenty of excellent MIM parts in current use in pistols right now. MIM parts can be polished, filed, ground, welded, heat treated – any operation you could perform on a forged part you can perform on a MIM part post-manufacturing. The big weakness in the MIM process is quality control. That’s really what it comes down to. Bear in mind that many gun companies don’t manufacturer their own MIM in house, because of the noted cost of tooling up MIM production, but instead shop the work out to metalworking and dedicated MIM manufacturing houses. That ads another step of quality control, which some companies aren’t necessarily willing to perform.

MIM is just another manufacturing process. The problem with the soft sear in your 1911 isn’t because it’s a MIM part, the problem is that it’s a part that was manufactured with indifferent attention to detail and a casual attitude towards quality control." That article gives a much more detailed rendering of the MIM process as well.

So no, when implemented with all diligence and prudence, it does not matter.
Peace
 
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