9mm 147 gr lead

[shotslow]

Can anyone give me load data for a 9mm 147 grain lead bullet using Winchester 231 (or Hodgen H38). I have checked Hodgen's load data and they do not list a load using that powder.

I have used Titegroup, but I suspect that this will lead to leading.

 

[Roadranger]

I'd start with about 3.5 grains of TiteGroup and see if that cycles the action on your pistol(s). If not, increase the load 1/10 grain at a time until it does. I load 4.4 grains with a 135 grain lead bullet.Bob!

 

[TSQUARED]

Can anyone give me load data for a 9mm 147 grain lead bullet using Winchester 231 (or Hodgen H38). I have checked Hodgen's load data and they do not list a load using that powder.

I have used Titegroup, but I suspect that this will lead to leading.

The W-W 14th Edition manual provides the following data for 147 gr. cast lead bullets in 9mm:
3.3 gr. W-231 = 865 fps =29000psi
3.5 gr. W-231 = 905 fps =32100psi MAX LOAD

 

[WashMP9]

Get some WST. put 3.5-3.6 grains in it @ 1.14 and you have a load that makes PF and is accurate as heck that smokes very little.

 

[shotslow]

Thank you all for replying. I had small hopes on finding the answer so thank you Tsquared. I should have explained a little more. Several years ago I bought 500 147 grain lead bullets. I shot a few and they have been sitting there since. I want to shoot them up for practice. In 2010 I got 1000 125 grain moly coated bullets and used Titegroup. I had bad leading. I went to the manufacture and found out they recommended you NOT use Titegroup or a Lee factory crimp die. Guess who used a Lee factory crimp die. I loaded up the rest using Win 231 & a Hornady taper crimp die. I had a little leading but the effort it took cleaning was balanced by the cheaper cost of the bullets compared to jacketed. I am ordering some more moly bullets.

But I still want to use the 147 grain ones but Titegroup and Win231 are the powders I have. Hence this thread.

PS I use jacketed bullets from Zero. They work fine, but cost more.

 

[jaysouth]

I have shot several thousand Magnus 147 cast reloads out of my STI Trojan with a 9 pound recoil spring. My load for most of them was 3.3 grs of 231.

This was a very accurate load with low recoil that functioned perfectly with that gun/spring combo.

You might start at 3.4 or 3.5 for a factory weight recoil spring.

4.0 grs of 231 under a 124 cast bullet works perfectly in every 9mm I own, be it Glock, Smith, Sig, Browning or beretta.

 

[shotslow]

I use 4.1 - 4.3 grains of Win231 with a Hornady taper crimp die for the rest of those moly coated 125 grainers. Minimal leading.

I have an Outers electric de-leading system. It works very well. Along with solvent and elbow grease.

I got some moly lead 125 gr. Rn samples from an Open shooter who who uses them in his open pistol. Yes he has to clean the barrel, specifically, the ports more often. The price difference makes it worth it.

 

[Maximumbob54]

If you are getting leading from sub 1100ish fps then you either need more or better lube or you need to check bore diameter vs bullet diameter. I stick with the .001 over bore size and I use Alox that I tumble lube. I cast 125 gr and have used Unique, Bullseye, HP-38/Win231, and Tightgroup and suffer from no leading. AND, I use a Lee FCD to set a light crimp on all my bottom feeder ammo. IMHO most people don't read the directions and set the FCD up proper and that causes more problems than the die itself ever could. The final sizing ring (unless it is out of spec) should be just over the max cartridge diameter so if it is swaging your cast bullets then your brass is either extra thick walled or your die needs to be sent back for repair.