9mm lever?

[sipowicz]

I would never want one but I guess they see the writing on the wall with mag fed semi autos under attack. But a classic old west style 38/357 is still on my wish list. I would even consider a 9mm version

 

[Muley Gil]

I saw that on the cover of Firearm News. A mite pricey.

 

[Moo Moo]

It will be popular here in Australia with our Gun Laws and the banning of semi-auto rifles (restricted to only primary producers and professional pest hunters).

 

[BC38]

If it had a tube magazine it would hold around 15 of the short little 9mm - vs the typical 10 or so for a 357 or 44 magnum, I'd be a lot more interested.
A lever gun is meant to be a light, easy handling gun. With that big magazine sticking out perpendicular to the body of the rifle, that one isn't going to be nearly as easy handling.
I'd be interested in a tube fed version. The removable mag version - not so much.
What would be really great would be tube-mag versions offered in 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP.

 

[sipowicz]

If it had a tube magazine it would hold around 15 of the short little 9mm - vs the typical 10 or so for a 357 or 44 magnum.
A lever gun is meant to be a light, easy handling gun. With that big magazine sticking out perpendicular to the body of the rifle, that one isn't going to be nearly as easy handling.
I'd be interested in a tube fed version. The removable mag version - not so much.
What would be really great would be tube-mag versions offered in 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP.

Same here. Wonder why they haven't offered one of the classic styles in 9mm. Is a rimmed cartridge easier to design a lever around?

 

[chief38]

If I were restricted to a Lever Action Rifle I'd stick to my blued steel and walnut versions. Same thing but look lots better. In 45 Colt, the capacity of my Marlin 1984 carbine tubular magazine is 10 and is sleek. For a rifle or carbine 9mm is a bit light for me - hence the reason I went with 45 Colt. Loaded up to max it's a "45 Magnum" in a long gun.

While "their" goal is to make America a gun free zone, at least Lever Guns would probably be the last they go for. America has been asleep at the wheel too long!

 

[SF VET]

While I don't hav any 9mm rifles, they are very popular in IDPA shooting. All of course have pistol mags, usually some sort of Glock magazine. Me, shooting for over 60 years, just never had any lever rifles of any caliber, but recently decided I needed one, so bought a Henry lever Big Boy in 357, and was out at the range yesterday. Like a double barrel shotgun, the short receiver of lever rifles makes them really nice to "handle". I like mine a lot, and I think will be one I often take to the range. I reload for it, so inexpensive to shoot.

Lever rifles are like cars with manual shifters, and bolt action rifles. Something to do other than just pulling a trigger in a semi rifle. But I agree the market for a lever 9mm would much better support a rifle with a tubular magazine. It might be a bit tricky to have reliable feeding and chambering with the short 9mm round. Heck, lots of 1911 pistols in that caliber can be finicky with chambering.

I have "a number of firearms" but non are ugly, like the one in the OP's discussion. SF VET

 

[BB57]

Among the anti gun crowd it's a given that a semi auto rifle ban will just be a "good start". Semi auto files are rarely used in crimes and. Even in mass shoutings they are only present in 16% of them. Semi-auto handguns are by far the weapon of choice, so they will be next on the "ban them!!!!" block.

Lever action carbines and rifles are the natural choice to replace a semi auto carbine or rifle. At the speeds most people actually shoot a semi auto, a lever action gives up little or nothing.

But it's a given that after a semi auto ban as soon as a lever action is used in a highly public shooting, they'll be screaming to ban it.

This new detachable box magazine, black polymer stocked, barrel shrouded, threaded barrel tactical looking lever action will check nearly all the "evil feature" and "weapon of war" (they'll have to reference the Indian Wars, the Spanish American war and WWI to do it) categories. It will become the new poster child and silhouette for guns folks want to ban.


They'll of course want to sweep up my pre-64 Winchester rifles and carbines in the same net.

Gun industry marketing and gun fashion are some of our worst enemies.

 

[BB57]

Same here. Wonder why they haven't offered one of the classic styles in 9mm. Is a rimmed cartridge easier to design a lever around?

The Remington Model 8 was designed for the .35 Remington, which is rimless, and the Marlin 336 manages the .35 Remington just fine.

However, it's probably a much harder proposition to design a magazine feed system that will function with a short rimless round like the 9mm Luger.

 

[BB57]

If it had a tube magazine it would hold around 15 of the short little 9mm - vs the typical 10 or so for a 357 or 44 magnum.
A lever gun is meant to be a light, easy handling gun. With that big magazine sticking out perpendicular to the body of the rifle, that one isn't going to be nearly as easy handling.
I'd be interested in a tube fed version. The removable mag version - not so much.
What would be really great would be tube-mag versions offered in 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP.

Agreed. The major advantages of lever action carbines and rifles are the slim, well balanced, easy to carry and generally very rapid handling nature of the designs.

This monstrosity has none of that.

 

[SnidelyWhiplash]

Just more evidence to the saying "Just because you can doesn't mean you should."

It's an answer to a question no one has asked...or as others have said..."A solution to a non-existent problem."

 

[glenwolde]

I think that's kind of a silly gun.

I guess they are worried about magazine detonations with round nose bullets. That's the flaw with the tubular magazines, they really require flat nose bullets for safety. Not a lot of 9mm SWC loads. Somebody would load it wrong.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

I had a BLR in 308! Rimless and "Clip" fed!

I have a Marlin 1894 Cowboy Special in 45 Colt, that holds 14, when I load it with 45 Scofield it holds 17 or 18 (depending on bullet profile)

Ivan

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

I think the reason no tube fed lever actions are chambered in 9mm Lugar is the cartridge length problem. A Marlin or Rossi 357 will work with 38 Special Round Bullets but not with full wadcutter target loads. So I tried 38 S&W LRN. Locked up on first cycling! I had to remove the whole tube magazine to clear the ammo from the gun!

You could probably make an original Henry, 1866, or 1873 style work with a short enough elevator, but the pressure might exceed the design limits!

Ivan

 

[BC38]

I think that's kind of a silly gun.

I guess they are worried about magazine detonations with round nose bullets. That's the flaw with the tubular magazines, they really require flat nose bullets for safety. Not a lot of 9mm SWC loads. Somebody would load it wrong.

I don't think that is an issue. Lots of people load round nose 38's and 357's in lever guns with no problem. A round nose isn't going to set off the primer of the next round in the tube. A pointy nose like a spire point, maybe, but not a round nose - the tip isn't nearly small enough or sharp enough to "poke" the center of the primer enough to set it off - especially in 9mm, which has small primers.

I think the reason no tube fed lever actions are chambered in 9mm Lugar is the cartridge length problem. A Marlin or Rossi 357 will work with 38 Special Round Bullets but not with full wadcutter target loads. So I tried 38 S&W LRN. Locked up on first cycling! I had to remove the whole tube magazine to clear the ammo from the gun!

You could probably make an original Henry, 1866, or 1873 style work with a short enough elevator, but the pressure might exceed the design limits!

Ivan

The issue with wadcutters is that they are so much shorter than what the action is designed to handle. If the action were designed for a round that length it wouldn't be a problem, but then it wouldn't work with 38's or 357's with more standard length bullets.
SO, if they designed a version of the lever action around the length of the 9mm cartridge it would function just fine with the shorter round.

 

[Borderboss]

Here's why I think this is a crazy design. Is there any leftist governmental entity that bans semi-autos but doesn't also ban magazines over 10 rounds? I can't think of any. So this thing becomes a 10-round 9mm lever gun. No thanks, I'll keep my .357 lever gun.

 

[max503]

A Marlin or Rossi 357 will work with 38 Special Round Bullets but not with full wadcutter target loads.

Sure it will. You just got to coax it a bit.

 

[SnidelyWhiplash]

Here's why I think this is a crazy design. Is there any leftist governmental entity that bans semi-autos but doesn't also ban magazines over 10 rounds? I can't think of any. So this thing becomes a 10-round 9mm lever gun. No thanks, I'll keep my .357 lever gun.

Back when the Assault Weapon ban was enacted along with its prohibition of 10+ rounds magazines…the ATF tried to interpret it as also banning rifles with tubular magazines holding more than ten rounds. That would have banned many lever guns and others with tube mags. A lot of rimfire guns would have been affected.

It took a number of Congressmen going to ATF to convince them that was not the intent of the legislation before ATF would relent.

The problem with granting power to a bureaucratic agency is they want and will take more power.

 

[Doug M.]

This rifle may or may not be useful, but when it does not work with common pistol magazines, it does a lot of damage to the ability to carry a compatible pistol and rifle.

 

[Ivan the Butcher]

Sure it will. You just got to coax it a bit.

It isn't the bullet shape. it is the total cartridge length!'

Ivan