A From The Ground Up 21 Century Combat Revolver

[YkcorCal]

A From The Ground Up 21 Century Combat Revolver

From the S&W Performance Center, a from the ground up at least 8-shot 21 Century Combat N-Frame (or new size frame) revolver designed to use full moon clips, max reliability, maximum controllability, with fast reloadability, a great trigger and reset. Good tested, proven stopping ammo. This needs to be built in concealed carry option lengths. Since liberal Democrat's continue to push to limit handgun capacity to ten rounds as they have accomplished in California, Connecticut – 10 rounds; Hawaii – 10 rounds; Maryland – 10 rounds; Massachusetts – 10 rounds; New York – 10 rounds; and most recently (2018) New Jersey – 10 rounds. A 21st Century 8 round revolver would be a viable option in these states not just in .38/.357 Magnum as currently made in the S&W 627.

I like the S&W 627 however it is not really set up anywhere near being a legitimate 21st Century "Combat Revolver" other than perhaps the 2.65" as a concealled carry combat revolver and it could be greatly improved in my humble opinion.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

I'm not sure how you define "combat revolver" but once you step into the world of concealability I personally think you're talking L-frames.

BUT - if you want an N frame:

There is the Model 327, an 8 shot .357 Magnum N frame with a 2" barrel. That fits most of your criteria and, actually, the Model 627 is even better because it has a more sensible barrel length in 4". The longer barrel is more compatible with the term "combat revolver" but the 2" barrel in either 327 or 627 is concealable.

But back to the L frame. Concealable 2.5" barrel and in 9mm the M986 would seem to be a perfect "combat revolver" because of the ability to share ammunition with 9mm pistols.


There is a considerable number of 4" .357 Magnum L frames, okay, 7 shots, not 8, but those are what I think of as combat revolvers plus they also come in 2.5" and 3" variations.

 

[YkcorCal]

I'm not sure how you define "combat revolver" but once you step into the world of concealability I personally think you're talking L-frames.

BUT - if you want an N frame:

There is the Model 327, an 8 shot .357 Magnum N frame with a 2" barrel. That fits most of your criteria and, actually, the Model 627 is even better because it has a more sensible barrel length in 4". The longer barrel is more compatible with the term "combat revolver" but the 2" barrel in either 327 or 627 is concealable.

But back to the L frame. Concealable 2.5" barrel and in 9mm the M986 would seem to be a perfect "combat revolver" because of the ability to share ammunition with 9mm pistols.


There is a considerable number of 4" .357 Magnum L frames, okay, 7 shots, not 8, but those are what I think of as combat revolvers plus they also come in 2.5" and 3" variations.

Like I said at the start. I like the 627 however I am wishing for a different type revolver in a different caliber and a different style all together. Perhaps some new innovation like the Rhino with its lower barrel to grip ratio. I have owned a 686 and handled and rejected the different Performance Center N-frame .38/357 revolvers. Since it was a "wish revolver" I wished for something new and different. I like the way Dan Wesson went as they were so accurate and you could have a "snubby" , a 4" and/or a 6". Since I have gotten use to using full moon clips with my S&W 625 .45 ACP I really like using them as they are fast to load and unload. I found I can also make a carrier that is capable of carrying a lot of ammo handily and easily. I just wish it was an 8-Shot. The short stubby .45 ACP Federal HST +Ps slide in and out like hot butter out of my Apex Tactical Specialties Custom S&W 625. If it was an 8-shot I would be in even higher heaven than I am now; not that I am in any way complaining as I LOVE my revolver just as it is! However, "if" I could improve some things I included the ideas in my first post. It is like my daddy used to say to me when I was growing up; "if a frog had wings he would not bump if rear every time he jumps." I 625 is great just as it is but "IF" so engineers and gunmakers got together to make a new revolver what I would like to see is what I included not what is available today. The point is what would you wish for in an all new revolver.

 

[VictorLouis]

If the L-Plus can take seven of .357, why not EIGHT of .327.
But, in a lightweight frame with a 3" barrel. I am not a fan of
moon clips in any way. Too easily damaged, and don't allow for a
partial reload if one should have the time, and mindset for it.

 

[jdh]

I’m happy with my M&P R8

 

[mod34]

Maybe a re-work of the early model 12's unique frame size. Make it scandium, Ti cylinder, shrink it down to compactly accommodate SW's new (make believe), .327short magnum....

 

[Marshal Tom]

All that sounds good but I would just go back to carrying my custom 1911 with an 8rd mag and one in the chamber for a total of 9 and be very happy!

 

[RoyM52]

Sig 220 carry DAK or Sig 239 DAK

 

[BigBill]

Fact, the feds were in the LGS one day back when they carried revolvers. The salesman asked the fed how many rounds do you carry? He said six in the revolver plus 6 more. But really 11 if I miss the bad guy with 11 rounds the 12th round is for me he said jokenly.

 

[YkcorCal]

Sometimes you just have to stand up for what is RIGHT

Fact, the feds were in the LGS one day back when they carried revolvers. The salesman asked the fed how many rounds do you carry? He said six in the revolver plus 6 more. But really 11 if I miss the bad guy with 11 rounds the 12th round is for me he said jokenly.

I know I am a "Freak of Nature" when it comes to guns. Even my mother said so when I was a very young boy. She said she had never seen such a young boy take to guns as I did. I worked for my mother around our country store doing chores and asked to be paid in .22LR ammo. I practiced with anywhere from at least 100 to 300 rounds minimum a day with a rifle and a revolver. It allowed me to become a relatively good shot as I practiced seriously and consistently firing many thousands of rounds. One of my chores for my grandfather was keep turtles and Cotton Mouth Water Moccasins out of the three ponds he had on his ranch/farm. By the time I was 15 years old I could holster my .22 revolver (don't remember the brand but my dad bought the best at the time) draw it and take a turtle's or snakes head off in the middle of the largest pond. The place I grew up in Arkansas was so small the only reason the road went through town was because the two small mom & pop grocery stores (my parents had the only gas pumps) were on one side of the road and the community school that housed Grade Scholl through Jr. High was on the other side of the road. In my 9th grade class there were 11 girls and 9 boys.


In 10th grade you went to the High School in a 20,000 population town nearby by bus. However, my father was transferred to Magnolia, Arkansas (he worked for Amoco Pipeline) were I started High School and graduated. There I was in High School when the Schools in Arkansas were First Integrated which were an education in and of itself. You see my mother worked a lot so my sister and I had a Black Nanny. We were different from the other "White" kids as we were not prejudiced. Seeing I turned out to grow into being bigger than all the adults in school, not to mention the students, at 6' 5" and 200lbs at the start of the 10th grade (I was bigger than all the 12th Graders) it made things "interesting" to say the least. Especially when integration happened and I defended the only black student that had the courage to try out for the football team; that was fun! I was the starting defensive tackle.

Sometimes you just have to stand up for what is right especially when you are the biggest most feared guy on the field!

Look, I never had to fight one person during High School and I never wanted to. I gained a "bad" reputation in Jr. High as a Bare Knuckled Fighter as I was 6' 2" and 190 lbs then and got into a lot of fights. People thought if they could take me down everyone else would toe the line. I never once stated a fight always giving the other person the first punch. My father stepped in saying I had to stop and started teaching me Jiu Jitsu both for better defense but for self-control and to walk away. I never fought again. I could just blocked punches and walked away never counter striking. Again, my father taught me the way!

 

[HardToHandle]

I like the Model 12 redux as a missing market for Smith.

Cartridge wise, I see limited future for the revolver-centric rounds. The .38 Special case length is dictated by .38 S&W black-powder era chemistry. The future is in smaller frame windows and rationalized cartridge lengths. .40S&W and 10mm might be very popular if put into a Kimber-ish frame, allowing for variable, tailored rounds.

Also, swappable sights. Smith is really missing the boat.

 

[ISCS Yoda]

You just think you're a freak of nature because you grew up in a small town. It's not true. I grew up where guns were not generally seen but I went everywhere with toy guns because that's what was permitted. But every farm boy I ever met was a shooter. And I met a lot of them in the Army. And, funny memory, I had a friend at the age of 12 whose biggest complaint was he couldn't go to the movies and pay children's prices because nobody believe he wasn't a teenager. So, no, you just didn't have sufficient experience where there were zillions of people. It's very different. And here's your 8 shot gun:

8-Shot .357 Magnums - What a Great Idea!!!

 

[Mike SC Hunter]

All that sounds good but I would just go back to carrying my custom 1911 with an 8rd mag and one in the chamber for a total of 9 and be very happy!

Same here. Is there or has there ever been a "combat revolver?"
Only ones I think maybe the New Service or Colt 1917......Only because they were used in battle.

 

[YkcorCal]

You just think you're a freak of nature because you grew up in a small town. It's not true. I grew up where guns were not generally seen but I went everywhere with toy guns because that's what was permitted. But every farm boy I ever met was a shooter. And I met a lot of them in the Army. And, funny memory, I had a friend at the age of 12 whose biggest complaint was he couldn't go to the movies and pay children's prices because nobody believe he wasn't a teenager. So, no, you just didn't have sufficient experience where there were zillions of people. It's very different. And here's your 8 shot gun:

8-Shot .357 Magnums - What a Great Idea!!!

My sister's third husband kept all the family albums with my pictures when I was young with my double revolver cowboy rigs. He probably burnt them out of spite after she died of cancer at the age of 44. My sister was a 5'11" natural blond with shoulder length blond hair before she got sick. She used used to do charity modeling in Houston and was a high profile professional "Headhunter" by trade. I really LOVE my SISTER and GREATLY MISS HER EVERY SINGLE DAY!!!


I had a Ruger MARK IV .22LR TARGET pistol with a 5.50" Bull barrel that I used to hunt Cotton Tail rabbits with two of my friends in Wyoming. One used a scoped .22LR rifle and the other a S&W 6" Model 29 .44 Magnum loaded with CCI shotshells. My friend with the rifle questioned my ability to hit anything with the .22 pistol until I demonstrated my ability with. I was shooting rabbits on the run in the head. He looked at me shook his head and said; "I guess you can shoot that thing!" He could not do the same with his rifle try as he may. I didn't share my secret to success with him because at work he was sometimes a real "jerk". I timed my shots to coincide with the top of the rabbit's jumps so I would flip them with head shots. It looked very impressive but is not as hard as it looks when you learn the trick through a lot of practice.

I shared my secret with my S&W friend, as we were best friends, but I swore him to secrecy first so he could impress others with his feats of flipping bunnies on the run!

He needed to get something a little smaller than a .44 Magnum for Cottontails though, I suggested as it would be cheaper and a lot more fun.

 

[YkcorCal]

Combat Revolvers

Same here. Is there or has there ever been a "combat revolver?"
Only ones I think maybe the New Service or Colt 1917......Only because they were used in battle.

M1917 Revolvers were six-shot, .45 ACP, large frame revolvers adopted by the United States Military in 1917, to supplement the standard M1911 pistol.

Of course the British Webley .455 Cal. Revolver was, in various marks, a standard issue service revolver for the armed forces of the United Kingdom, and the British Empire and Commonwealth, from 1887 until 1970. The Webley is a top-break revolver and breaking the revolver operates the extractor, which removes cartridges from the cylinder.

 

[HardToHandle]

.455s were most certainly combat revolvers.
When they faced off against Lugers and Broomhandles in the Great War, it is hard to picture a greater clash - fast and light for the Germans versus large and lumbering for the Brits, at least regarding handgun bullets.

I generally would choose a closed action handgun for combat, but that Webley lock work seemed to carry itself well in the slimy Belgian mud. And that snap of the break top extraction is glorious (I occasionally shoot an Enfield .38/200), plus it faster/sure than closed frame extraction. I doubt many British soldiers or officers felt under gunned with a Webley .455 after loading up those near-thumb sized lead bullets.

People occasionally make jokes about them, but there were private purchase .455 revolvers with attached spike bayonets. With the horror of hand to hand trench combat, they likely made sense.

 

[YkcorCal]

Have you ever wondered why there has not been a major significant advancement in the design, construction, in the field of handgun in so many years considering the leaps in understanding in the fields of metallurgy, human ergonomics, tactical physiology, engineering and so many of the sciences?

Remember when there was talk about caseless ammo? Why does it seem that advancement has stalled in place with only minor medications over major advancements?