a good bill

[Yaworski]

Right now most teachers anywhere/everywhere are denied their rights to their own personal protection.

That's the case nearly everywhere. I worked for many companies, large and small, and nearly everyone had a stated "no weapons" policy and usually they looked at me sideways because I carry a pocket knife. Part of it is "virtue signalling" because they want to make people feel "safe." Part of it is they don't want accidents happening when someone goes "Hey Jim! Lookit mah new gun!" Bang! Now there's a hole in someone's desk or an expensive piece of equipment.

 

[Yaworski]

Police take their training to the field immediately and are immersed in law enforcement and emergency situations each and every day.

An oft cited fact is that most police officers go their entire career without having to draw their pistol in "anger."

 

[WR Moore]

Adding to the issue raised by biku, the target company that complied with a request for photographic training targets featuring children (under 18) as threats was hounded out of business after it became public. Might not have been the only reason they went under, but it was probably a major contributor.

I can feel for the guy he mentions.

 

[Yaworski]

My guess is that most teachers are not shooters and many likely never shot a firearm.

Most cops and soldiers are not shooters and most have never touched a gun before joining up.

 

[Yaworski]

When we did our walk through s with SRT, Some of them were visibly petrified. And this was just walk through so that everyone could get a feel for the buildings. No long guns or simunitions or any kind of scenario training. Just a bunch of cops walking around the building. Some of them had tears in their eyes they were so upset.

Bear in mind that most people don't know how to deal with emergencies and in your event you were confronting people who believed that their school was a refuge with the idea that bad things can happen.

 

[Sevens]

A 12-year old murderer in 1999 would be 37 years old today. Because his first (known) murder was at 12 and he was a minor, I expect we don’t know his name.

I’d certainly be curious of how the next 25 of his life went, or however many of them he was alive to see.

 

[taz666]

How much more responsibility for our children are teachers going to be expected to bring to the table?

 

[biku324]

A 12-year old murderer in 1999 would be 37 years old today. Because his first (known) murder was at 12 and he was a minor, I expect we don’t know his name.

I’d certainly be curious of how the next 25 of his life went, or however many of them he was alive to see.

Knock yourself out! Victor M. Cordova, Jr. He was released in 2003 and in prison again by 2004 for drug trafficking on the border. He was released in 2009. Dunno since.

Name: VICTOR MANUEL CORDOVA
Register Number: 29698-051
Age: 36
Race: White
Sex: Male
Released On: 02/13/2009

 

[Yaworski]

How much more responsibility for our children are teachers going to be expected to bring to the table?

I don't expect teachers to go out and hunt down the shooter but if I was in a situation with a shooter, I'd like to be armed in the event that he finds my place of refuge.

 

[Yaworski]

There are roughly 125,000 k-12 schools in the United States, both public and private. Considering a 36 week school year, if one school was attacked every week, it would take almost 3,500 years to hit each school in the country.

School shootings are a dramatic problem but they are not an epidemic or pandemic. What it has done was allowed the government to intrude deeper into our lives. It has also created the new industry of "school security" to sell overpriced products to school districts.

 

[Aukula1062]

About time someone had the guts and common sense!

 

[taz666]

I don't expect teacher to go out and hunt down the shooter but if I was in a situation with a shooter, I'd like to be armed in the event that he finds my place of refuge.

So, you don't think a bill such as this has any expectations attached? Seems that way to me ... just more of society dumping responsibility of its' ills on somebody else ... problem solved!

 

[Yaworski]

So, you don't think a bill such as this has any expectations attached?

Society already has expectations. They expect a responsible adult to take steps to safeguard the young'uns in their charge.

Without significant training and practice, I wouldn't expect a bunch of teacher to conduct a room-to-room sweep of a school.

 

[biku324]

So, you don't think a bill such as this has any expectations attached? Seems that way to me ... just more of society dumping responsibility of its' ills on somebody else ... problem solved!

This is precisely why I get a CCL like everyone else and will NEVER do LEOSA. Not interested in additional expectations, particularly without a liability umbrella.

 

[johngalt]

In the far left state of Minnesota, a couple years back there was a similar proposal. And of course the uproar from the left followed. Funny thing is, teachers (with the permission of the administrator) have always been able to carry at school.

 

[John Patrick]

So, you don't think a bill such as this has any expectations attached? Seems that way to me ... just more of society dumping responsibility of its' ills on somebody else ... problem solved!

More like providing the freedom of choice.

 

[taz666]

John Patrick .. I guess we'll see how much choice there will be for the teachers. I'm thinking that this may become part of the job description down the road. They are teachers ... not armored car drivers.

 

[Magnum_PI]

I fully support teachers who seek the training and have the competency to carry or defend themselves and their classroom, SHOULD CARRY and be PREPARED for these wackos we have in society today who target soft targets such as schools. Same with churches.

 

[Buick]

I may be biased but in my personal experience many of my teachers were more, much more, expert in the use of firearms than the overwhelming majority of law enforcement I know. One of my principals was a veteran of the (USMC) Inchon landing, my math teacher (82nd Airborne) subdued rioting north Korean prisoners at bayonet point, and another was a Vietnam army infantryman with agent orange skin cancer scabs in the pattern of his helmet liner on top of his bald head. Others were just old country boys raised with a gun in their hands and all were swift and certain shots. Lots of similar folks teaching today. Maybe any LEO claiming tactical superiority to a longtime public school teacher should be required to go to the high school gym, lace up the boxing gloves, and find out who's tougher! My money is on that career educator! And not necessarily the Phys. Ed instructor!