A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.....but kinda cool

RM Vivas

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I’ve been very fortunate to find a small niche in the gun collecting world.

When I originally started looking at NYPD records, my only plan was to simply count the entries and be able to say “xxx S&W Model 10’s were bought in 1971, xxx Colt Cobras were bought in 1967, etc.”

It was never my intention to put a name to each serial number.

For reasons that I absolutely can’t remember though, I decided to copy all the records I found and then spend an awful lot of time putting them into a computer.

One thing led to another and I wound up in a small niche as the guy to ask if you had a question about NYPD guns. I don’t have all the answers but I probably have more than anyone else who is actually willing to talk!

I’ll never be Jinks, Kopec, Wilson or any of the other “go to” data guys, but I’m comfortable where I am (although I’m working on expanding my knowledge base).

At some point someone asked me a question about an NYPD gun they had and I went through my records and sent them a quick note about who owned their gun and thus was born the first ‘letter’ I did.

Over time, and especially in the past few years, I’ve written quite a number of letters for folks and I’ve always gotten a kick out of doing so.

Being a very firm believer that our hobby (Avocation? Religion? Lifestyle?) has enough external threats and pressures, I always advocated the free exchange of useful information that made our hobby better.

For this reason I never charged (and still don’t) for the letters I wrote, even though they do consume a bit of time to put together.

As I started writing more frequently over the past few years and learned what it takes to be a proper historian, I realized that my already decent sized library needed to be expanded and certain gaps in it filled (I also realized I needed to shore up the flooring under the bookcases too; books are heavy).

So, I established the Buy. Me. Books. tip jar.

Now when someone asks for a letter, there is usually a link attached that goes to my Amazon wish list. IT’S %100 OPTIONAL AND IF YOU WANT A LETTER BUT CAN’T CONTRIBUTE TO THE BOOK FUND, I’M OK WITH THAT! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve blown a wad of cash on a nice gun and walked out the door with the gun in my pocket and a cloud of doom hanging over my head as I wonder where my next few meals are going to come from (my recent splurge on M3983 triplets springs to mind!), so I can fully understand the “Oh man, I’m so short right now!” situation.

I’ve always thought of the letters I write as a sort of fun thing to do that helps people enjoy their gun. I never really thought of them as anything more than that.

I mention this because something really wild came across my mailbox the other day.

I have a fairly decent relationship with an internet blogger whose nom de microchip is Commander Zero ( Notes From The Bunker ). Zero writes about guns and preparedness and periodically asks me about NYPD stuff.

This time he sent me a link to an online auction outfit where someone was auctioning off an NYPD gun. The absolute kicker was the photos of the gun showed it resting on a factory letter and on one of MY letters! Not only that, the letter I wrote was I quoted in the ad copy!

This absolutely killed me! Someone put enough of a value on something -I- wrote that they included it as provenance for a gun they were selling!

That is so weird. Next thing you know I’ll be getting one of those little squeeze presses to slap a seal over my signature like the big guys do! 😉

Anyway, I got a huge kick out of that and wanted to share it.
 
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Next thing you know I’ll be getting one of those little squeeze presses to slap a seal over my signature like the big guys do! 😉
Even folks like me, whose occasional Model 520 find is the closest I'll ever come to a NYPD gun, can appreciate the value of what you're doing...[ame]https://www.amazon.com/Custom-Embosser-Stamp-Design-Personalized/dp/B07SZD92NJ/ref=sr_1_17?crid=SADF8OOD72R9&keywords=letter+emboss+stamp&qid=1680959443&sprefix=letter+emboss+%2Caps%2C119&sr=8-17[/ame]...:cool:...Ben
 
I have total admiration for someone who dedicates themself to pulling together scattered information that takes a lot of time and effort to pull together. When I was working I examined titles to real property, and a similar type of publication was absolutely invaluable to me in my work. It was a two-volumn set of books called Names in Stone, which was a compilation of names, dates and inscriptions from tombstones in Frederick County, MD and from nearby cemeteries in adjoining counties. This gave me independent corroboration of deaths that transferred interests in real property by right of survivorship, but weren't in the public records. One man went through the largest in area county of Maryland to find graves and take down this information to publish. Sure, it was something I could have done, but I sure couldn't leave the office every day to look up the information these books provided.

Happily my work was never questioned, but if I ever had to go to court to defend my work I sure felt a lot better when if push came to shove I could point to an independent source of good repute rather than something that would appear to be self-serving.
 
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RM, I think charging for letters would be a reasonable thing to do. Get some nice heavy paper, make up a nice letterhead, get that little squeeze press that Truckman linked, and go for it! You are providing a valuable service for collectors, or for people who just want to know.

You won't get rich, but maybe you'll get some spare pocket change out of it.

(I do like the current tips jar for books idea, too.)
 
Thank you for your high-level of contributions to our knowledge and for your willingness to share so generously. Your place here is one of honor, not between the rock and hard place in your humorously noted locale.

Volunteers such a such as yourself are appreciated - and in this esteemed forum, highly respected. If you believe there is a market for your expertise, please have at it!

If there was a first rate “at a boy” to push, you would have countless.
 
I came across a 64 NY-1 years ago, I believe from a member on here and always wondered who carried it. I assumed it was someone like detective because it is in excellent condition. Did all of the guns get issued or was their ones that sat new in the box and never was issued?
 
I came across a 64 NY-1 years ago, I believe from a member on here and always wondered who carried it. I assumed it was someone like detective because it is in excellent condition. Did all of the guns get issued or was their ones that sat new in the box and never was issued?

I can recall seeing several hundred boxed and on the shelves in the gun room at 1PP in the Equipment Bureau.

The 3 inch and 4 inch guns were were eventually returned to S&W when the automatics were authorized.

It took a while though and I recall there was talk of the DAO revolvers (Rugers and Smiths) being shipped to Haiti to outfit their cops. At the time Haiti was big in the nes for collapsing (again) and I believe one of the former PC's was working with or under the guidance of the UN to rebuild their police force.
Didnt happen tho and the guns went back to the manufacturers.

I've haerd of people encountering NYPD NY-1's that were set up as SA/DA and I suspect those were the returns.

Best,
RM Vivas
 
I recall the thrill when a village historian in the Czech Republic pulled out a printout of my database and asked if I was the guy. :)

Primary research is important, nothing happens without that. And putting it together for others is what passes the data on and makes it all worthwhile. Kudos to you!
 
I can recall seeing several hundred boxed and on the shelves in the gun room at 1PP in the Equipment Bureau.

The 3 inch and 4 inch guns were were eventually returned to S&W when the automatics were authorized.

It took a while though and I recall there was talk of the DAO revolvers (Rugers and Smiths) being shipped to Haiti to outfit their cops. At the time Haiti was big in the nes for collapsing (again) and I believe one of the former PC's was working with or under the guidance of the UN to rebuild their police force.
Didnt happen tho and the guns went back to the manufacturers.

I've haerd of people encountering NYPD NY-1's that were set up as SA/DA and I suspect those were the returns.

Best,
RM Vivas

Mine is a SA/DA. I assume they all came with the hard rubber grips?
 

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That's exactly what the spirit of this forum is about and we would be remiss if we didnt thank Lee who makes this whole thing possible.
 
I have total admiration for someone who dedicates themself to pulling together scattered information that takes a lot of time and effort to pull together. When I was working I examined titles to real property, and a similar type of publication was absolutely invaluable to me in my work. It was a two-volumn set of books called Names in Stone, which was a compilation of names, dates and inscriptions from tombstones in Frederick County, MD and from nearby cemeteries in adjoining counties. This gave me independent corroboration of deaths that transferred interests in real property by right of survivorship, but weren't in the public records. One man went through the largest in area county of Maryland to find graves and take down this information to publish. Sure, it was something I could have done, but I sure couldn't leave the office every day to look up the information these books provided.

Happily my work was never questioned, but if I ever had to go to court to defend my work I sure felt a lot better when if push came to shove I could point to an independent source of good repute rather than something that would appear to be self-serving.

Much of my working life has been dedicated to real estate title work, both as an attorney, and as a Petroluem Landman. I appreciate good doumentation as well. Today we have Find-a-Grave.com which has good many tombstones in cemetaries throughout the country (but not all). A number of years ago I found a tombstone in West Virginia on this website, which helped me track down a mineral interest in Yazoo County, Mississippi. Not trying to start a thread drift.
 
Well done sir, congratulations. Don't forget about us when you become a bigshot author ;)
 
While I have no dog in the fight ( though would be delighted to pick up a former NYPD gun at some point) I commend you on your dedication.
Imagine for example, picking up a well used but not abused K frame and getting verification it was once the duty gun of Jim Cirillo or Pat Rogers!
 
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