A little TLC Yields a Very Nice Model 1899 US Army Revolver

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I was able to pick up my first Model 1899 US Army at an auction last month and, as usual, I set about to learn everything about this US Military contract gun, some info that seems to have never been confirmed until now.

The Model 1899 has become one of my favorite S&W models to collect. I learned very early that there were rare US Army and US Navy guns out there, totally only 1,000 each made. One obvious question is how many are left? I have posed that question to our resident experts, and there average estimates were less than half would be a reasonable number. This was a model that I assumed I would never find in my budget for sale. Watching as many as I could find for sale, they have been averaging from $1500 to $2500 at various auctions. Well, I found a slightly challenged example at auction. The major challenge was that the barrel had been cut to 4”. The job was nicely done, but I wondered what diabolical mind would disfigure such a rare example of US Military & S&W history? Anyway, I put in a low bid and let it slide. To my surprise, I received an email that I had won the gun for $350, plus buyer’s premium and shipping, came to around $450. Happy with the purchase, but it was soon to get much better.

My ambition is always to put things right with the S&W world and for this model it meant finding a 6” Model 1899 barrel. There were only just over 20,000 of this model made in 38, which included the two military contracts. There were also just over 5,300 made in 32 Winchester. The US Army contract basically were made in the 13,000 serial number range and the US Navy was the 5,000 s/n range. The Navy’s shipped in 1900 and the Army contract shipped in 1901. Both was service in the Philippine-American War, 1899 to 1902. These revolvers along with the Krag rifles and Springfield Trapdoors were instrumental to the US winning the war.

Back to my new old Model 1899 US Army. I totally cleaned the gun, disassembling it to polish off what little rust was found on the mechanism, but was surprised how clean it looked inside - love the jeweling on the inside of the frame. I was corresponding with Mike Priwer who is very well schooled on collecting Model 1899s. He has posts many of his projects, while sharing his knowledge about this model, which helped me gain a great interest in the K frame 1st Hand Ejector made by S&W. Just so happened he had a spare barrel from a US Army Contract stamped with serial number 13041, while mine was 13417. It seems that he had obtained it from Bill Orr years ago and never used it. I was fortunate to obtain perhaps the only US Army 1899 barrel in existence. Now, fitted to the gun, it makes the search worth it and thanks to Mike, it is now configured properly, with original numbered stocks and a 6” barrel.

One thing I did not know was these revolvers, unlike the commercial examples of the time did not take 38 Special rounds. I assumed that after I got the gun, I would just grab some of my light reloads and head off to the range, but they did not chamber. Mike and I discussed this and he ultimately asked Roy Jinks about the issue to learn that ALL US Military 1899s were chambered only in 38 US Service Cartridge, which S&W called 38 Military (38 MIL barrel stamp). This cartridge was the 38 Long Colt round, which was about 1/8” shorter than the 38 Special. This was an important learning for me as well as collectors of this model, since many were likely rechambered for 38 Special as the round gained popularity. According to the thread started by Mike on the SWCA member side of the Forum, the US Military 1899s were chambered only in 38 Long Colt. Well, enough prattle, here is my US Army Model 1899. This fact makes the 38 Long Colt one of the rarest calibers ever to be produced by the S&W factory. There is evidence that some very early commercial Model 1899s were also chambered in this caliber, but with the advent of the 38 Special very early in the 1899s production run, the numbers of 38 LC examples produced for public sales are probably very small.

A lesson to all who think they will never be able to own a prized S&W model, it can and does happen!
 

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It warmed up to the lower 40s today, so I just returned from the range with the Model 1899. I had found some mild 38 Long Colt recipes and loaded a few rounds to try out. I started out with a 115 9mm LRN in front of 2 grains of Clays and Puflon. The load was certainly light, with 9 shots averaging under 432 fps, but I did hit a 15 yard target. Nothing to brag about, but the gun worked, the ammo worked and I hit something. I was underwhelmed by the performance and will load some heavier loads until I get up to around 700 fps and maybe better accuracy. As it turns out, my cast 9mm LRNs measure .357”, so I am liking the bullet, just not the charge. Coming up with a faster and more accurate load will give me something to do this winter, plus give me more excuses to get out to the range with a fine 116 year old S&W.

Last image is of my small, but growing Model 1899 collection.
 

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Gary,
A very interesting and way cool story!

I just acquired a model 1917 that had the barrel cut and a few dohicky’s added. I took it apart for a cleaning and nerve racking education as this was the 1st time I’ve completely disassemble a S&W, pretty cool to see how they function. There is quit a bit going on under those side plates. I’m hoping to get it put back together this weekend.... then to find appropriate grips. The standard service stocks just will not do.

Enough thread drift about me. Very nice Gary!

Bob
 
Gary,
A very interesting and way cool story!

I just acquired a model 1917 that had the barrel cut and a few dohicky’s added. . . I’m hoping to get it put back together this weekend.... then to find appropriate grips. The standard service stocks just will not do. . .

Be careful of that rebound slide spring!!
 
I have one, but unfortunately it went back to the factory in the '20s to be nickeled and reamed out to .38 Special. :-(

Thankfully my Navy Model didn't suffer the same fate.
 
Gary, several years ago a friend and I used a 121 gr. LRN 9mm bullet (unsized = .357), over 3.3 gr 231 in a 38 Special. It was a powderpuff load, just over 700 fps. We used it in PPC competitions, and we could tear the centers out of the paper targets. With the shortened case you might start with 3.0 gr 231.

I have shot my 1899 with regular 38 HBWC, but mine is a 38 Special, commercial, #8636.


Mike gave me a lot of help with the disassembly/assembly of this, and I kept the little wooden dowel cut to just the tight length to compress the trigger return spring.
 
Gary

Looks good, so far, except for those targets ! Seems like there is one of two (or three) possible problems here. The first, and most likely, is the ammo. I've asked Jim Fsher to give us the load he uses. The light loads do not work well in these guns. Too light is a real problem, as bullets get stuck in the bore!

Second problem (and not liikely) could be you ! I assume you are a better shooter than the target shows, so lets put that aside.

Third is the barrel itself. Jim thinks its most likely the ammo, and the cartridge cases themselves. He says there is a place in Michigan that he orders brass from, and they make good 38LC cases. I will say that I always wondered why this barrel was surplus, and could only think that the Army inspector rejected it. The factory kept it as a spare, so it must be OK.

Once you are using the right load for the ammo, and its still shooting wild, I have two other suggestions. One would be to put the 4" barrel back on the gun, and see how it shoots, everything else staying the same. The other we can talk about after you've tried everything else.

Regards, Mike Priwer
 
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Glad you asked Jim about reloading this caliber. I can guess that he might use somewhere around original bullet weight of 150 grain LRN. I like to use light bullets to keep pressures down and start out below what is considered normal loading until I get some results. At around 500 fps, I was not concerned about getting a bullet stuck. My normal procedure is to add powder until I get velocities matching original factory loading around 770 fps in this caliber and then check accuracy.

Pretty sure that the slow speeds was the major reason for poor accuracy. I also have a few different loads to try and find that it is often amazing what a slight change in powder or bullet weight can accomplish. Thanks again for checking with Jim.
 
Just back from the range with a new load suggested by a member here. Using 2.8 grains of Bullseye under 148 g HBWC did the trick. Accuracy was vastly improved, but speed was over 850 fps. I will now load them down until I get 700-750 and should be good to go.
 

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Gary

That is a lot better. One thing to check is the alignment of the sights. With the frame held in a true veritical position, look at the sight picture, and make sure the front sight blade is not tilted to one side or the other. That was a problem with a couple of my short-barrel 1899's, ad it makes a big difference in the tightness of the group. If the front sight blade is tilted just a bit, have you gunsmith adjust it, to get it lined up properly. He can twist the barrel one way or the other, to straighten it out.

Regards, Mike
 
Those shots were taken while aiming at the center of the bullseye, so windage was good and shots were pretty well placed just below the point of aim. Shots taken from about 50 feet, and if you drop the one flyer in the upper left part of the bullseye, I think a 2" grouping is as good as it gets for this generation of K frames.
 
It looks like you have your load figured out. If you still need brass, Starline makes new 38 LC brass. I user their brass and I am very happy with their brass.
 
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